Boston and MA tobacco laws

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
Patios are outside, and people shouldn't need a ban to get them not to smoke when they're upwind of another table.

There is the problem, right there. Smokers don't give damn about other people hence the bans.

Not just smokers, people in general.

True. We should just ban people and be done with it.

Or just deal with it and stop whining.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can understand banning smoking from bars, the workplace and other such public places but to ban it from Cigar Bars and Smoke Shops is ridiculous.

This slippery slope was predictable.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can understand banning smoking from bars, the workplace and other such public places but to ban it from Cigar Bars and Smoke Shops is ridiculous.

This slippery slope was predictable.

Especially in MA.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
Patios are outside, and people shouldn't need a ban to get them not to smoke when they're upwind of another table.

There is the problem, right there. Smokers don't give damn about other people hence the bans.

Not just smokers, people in general.

True. We should just ban people and be done with it.

Yea... without people we wouldn't have to pay any of these dumbass medical bills.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
Patios are outside, and people shouldn't need a ban to get them not to smoke when they're upwind of another table.

There is the problem, right there. Smokers don't give damn about other people hence the bans.

Not just smokers, people in general.

True. We should just ban people and be done with it.

Or just deal with it and stop whining.

I don't whine anymore, since we got the ban.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
Patios are outside, and people shouldn't need a ban to get them not to smoke when they're upwind of another table.

There is the problem, right there. Smokers don't give damn about other people hence the bans.

Not just smokers, people in general.

True. We should just ban people and be done with it.

Or just deal with it and stop whining.

I don't whine anymore, since we got the ban.

Yeah but banning smoking in places that caters to smokers is bullshit.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers

Patios are outside, and people shouldn't need a ban to get them not to smoke when they're upwind of another table.

Shouldn't is one thing. IS is quite another. When tobacco addcts need their fix, they feel that need more than they feel the need to be concerned with the health and lives others, including their families and friends.

The real enemy is the tobacco industry. They know their products are addictive and carcinogenic, and they don't care how many people they kill or injur in pursuit of their profits. FUCK THEM! :|

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can understand banning smoking from bars, the workplace and other such public places but to ban it from Cigar Bars and Smoke Shops is ridiculous.

This slippery slope was predictable.

Environmental tobacco smoke is a health hazard and ought to be mitigated in the workplace, any workplace. Exempting smoke shop employees from workplace protection from tobacco smoke would be like exempting lead miners from protections against lead poisoning.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Farang
And if you're at all concerned about that, you can frequent a different establishment. You know before these bans there were smoke-free bars, in fact they were quite common.

The central argument for banning indoor smoking in all bars/restaurants was that the employees inside any bar or restaurant had no choice about being subjected to second hand smoke their entire shift, whether they were smokers or not.

Imagine a lawyer having a field day with that.

Originally posted by: bozack
... but the fact is that these are private establishments, they have age limits, and the people patronizing and employed by them know what they are getting into.

Yeah, I gotta' agree, bo, cigar bars exist for that purpose and are not so numerous that any non-smoker is somehow forced to work in one.

We forget, but we Americans have always had that social facist instinct. Prohibition is merely the best known example.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can understand banning smoking from bars, the workplace and other such public places but to ban it from Cigar Bars and Smoke Shops is ridiculous.

This slippery slope was predictable.

Environmental tobacco smoke is a health hazard and ought to be mitigated in the workplace, any workplace. Exempting smoke shop employees from workplace protection from tobacco smoke would be like exempting lead miners from protections against lead poisoning.

Good thing we have Nancy's like you to protect us from ourselves:roll:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Good thing we have Nancy's like you to protect us from ourselves:roll:

Even better that we finally have a more enlightened public and few courageous legislators willing to challenge the tobacco murderers' grip on the law and protect the majority of us from the toxins pissant self-centered addicted smokers are willing to dump on the majority of us and our kids to get their fix. :roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ironwing

I can understand banning smoking from bars, the workplace and other such public places but to ban it from Cigar Bars and Smoke Shops is ridiculous.

This slippery slope was predictable.

Environmental tobacco smoke is a health hazard and ought to be mitigated in the workplace, any workplace. Exempting smoke shop employees from workplace protection from tobacco smoke would be like exempting lead miners from protections against lead poisoning.

Good thing we have Nancy's like you to protect us from ourselves:roll:[/quote]

Even better that we finally have a more enlightened public and few courageous legislators willing to challenge the tobacco murderers' grip on the law and protect the majority of us from the toxins pissant self-centered addicted smokers are willing to dump on the majority of us and our kids to get their fix. :roll:[/quote]
Well then I guess you haven't a problem with the dope you smoke being illegal.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well then I guess you haven't a problem with the dope you smoke being illegal.

Do I do it in public places? No.

Do I do it in any private places without the consent of everyone who might be affected? No.

Do I share when I have it? Yep.

I NEVER impose it on anyone else in any way, first or second hand. If you have a problem with that, it's your problem.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well then I guess you haven't a problem with the dope you smoke being illegal.

Do I do it in public places? No.

Do I do it in any private places without the consent of everyone who might be affected? No.

Do I share when I have it? Yep.

So lets say you were in Amsterdam, would you visit one of those famous Hash Bars?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So lets say you were in Amsterdam, would you visit one of those famous Hash Bars?

Are you buying, including my airfare and hotel?

Why are you derailing the thread about what I do? It isn't tobacco, and I don't impose it on others.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

For someone who's so concerned with what the government is doing that we're not aware of I cannot fail but to be astounded by your approval of their intervention into how privately owned businesses are run. People should never have had to take their smoking outside. Nobody forced people to work in the places that allowed it. By pushing everyone outside you're putting people in "harm's" way by forcing the smokers to be in a location where nonsmokers may be and not have a choice to avoid it. People have to make a conscious decision to go into a bar/restaurant/etc.. that allows smoking but now the smokers are standing outside the bar which just may happen to be next to a bus stop. Now who's harming who? Just one more of the numerous laws passed in this country by those who feel it is their duty to protect us from ourselves. I'll finish with my obligatory you disgust me.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit (fill to desired lenght).
.
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I'll finish with my obligatory you disgust me.

Thanks. I'm always glad to oblige vapor heads with obligatory disgust. :thumbsup: :laugh:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So lets say you were in Amsterdam, would you visit one of those famous Hash Bars?

Are you buying, including my airfare and hotel?

Why are you derailing the thread about what I do? It isn't tobacco, and I don't impose it on others.

Dude, we aren't talking about a bar or eatery meant for the general public, we are talking about an establishment meant for those who smoke. They don't impose it on those who don't smoke.

 

[mect]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can understand banning smoking from bars, the workplace and other such public places but to ban it from Cigar Bars and Smoke Shops is ridiculous.

This slippery slope was predictable.

Environmental tobacco smoke is a health hazard and ought to be mitigated in the workplace, any workplace. Exempting smoke shop employees from workplace protection from tobacco smoke would be like exempting lead miners from protections against lead poisoning.

Right, so did they ban lead mining? No, they provided the workers with adequate protection. Why not legislate that safety masks be provided for workers. I don't think the law should require workers to wear them, but if they are provided, then the company is providing a safe work environment, and people's freedoms aren't removed.
Don't get me wrong, I can't stand to be around smokers. I would be in favor of banning smoking from public parks and other areas, but in a private business, as long as they are providing for the safety of their employees, that isn't any business of mine.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well then I guess you haven't a problem with the dope you smoke being illegal.

Do I do it in public places? No.

Do I do it in any private places without the consent of everyone who might be affected? No.

Do I share when I have it? Yep.

So lets say you were in Amsterdam, would you visit one of those famous Hash Bars?

They just shut them down there too under a different guise:

12-9-2008 Amsterdam to close some pot, sex shops

The effort is designed to purge organized crime from the old city center.

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands ? Amsterdam unveiled plans Saturday to close brothels, sex shops and marijuana cafes in its ancient city center as part of an effort to drive organized crime out of the tourist haven.

The city is targeting businesses that "generate criminality," including gambling parlors, and the so-called coffee shops where marijuana is sold openly. Also targeted are peep shows, massage parlors and souvenir shops used by drug dealers for money-laundering.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So lets say you were in Amsterdam, would you visit one of those famous Hash Bars?

Are you buying, including my airfare and hotel?

Why are you derailing the thread about what I do? It isn't tobacco, and I don't impose it on others.

Dude, we aren't talking about a bar or eatery meant for the general public, we are talking about an establishment meant for those who smoke. They don't impose it on those who don't smoke.

Hell. You asked me if I'd "visit one of those famous Hash Bars." I can't afford the trip, and I haven't seen real hash in years. So I'll ask again...

1. Are you buying? If so, it could be fun, especially since I can't stand beer so Heineken's has no appeal.

2. What does my alleged indulgence IN PRIVATE PLACES, or where I may go, or what I do in a foreign country have to do with allowing smoking tobacco in public places in the U.S?

Clue -- The answer to question 2 is NOTHING. :roll:

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

They just shut them down there too under a different guise...

Gosh darnies! Just when I was getting close to talking Red into buying. :laugh:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: marincounty
Nonsmokers have suffered for years the second hand smoke of obnoxious smokers in bars, clubs and restaurants. Now that the nonsmokers have discovered their political power, it is payback time. Sure, some of the no-smoking laws are ridiculous, but smokers have had it coming for years with their abuse of non-smokers.
Payback is a bitch.

I'm a nonsmoker and I have not suffered one bit from other people smoking. Loud music at bars can damage your hearing, second hand smoke could damage your lungs, alcohol can damage your liver.

Health warnings on cigarettes are nice, but banning shit is stupid.

Yeah, but you can put in earplugs if the music is too loud, and there is no second-hand alcohol poisoning, but you do have to breathe in a bar. Take your frickin' cigs outside, OK.

Did you miss the part about banning it outside as well?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: mect

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can understand banning smoking from bars, the workplace and other such public places but to ban it from Cigar Bars and Smoke Shops is ridiculous.

This slippery slope was predictable.

Environmental tobacco smoke is a health hazard and ought to be mitigated in the workplace, any workplace. Exempting smoke shop employees from workplace protection from tobacco smoke would be like exempting lead miners from protections against lead poisoning.

Right, so did they ban lead mining? No, they provided the workers with adequate protection. Why not legislate that safety masks be provided for workers. I don't think the law should require workers to wear them, but if they are provided, then the company is providing a safe work environment, and people's freedoms aren't removed.
Don't get me wrong, I can't stand to be around smokers. I would be in favor of banning smoking from public parks and other areas, but in a private business, as long as they are providing for the safety of their employees, that isn't any business of mine.

Masks would be a last resort. With worker protection, first line is to engineer the hazard out, if that is not possible, then use administrative controls to prevent/reduce worker exposure, and then lastly to require workers to wear PPE. Companies are required to provide a safe working environment. Optional PPE in the face a present hazard fails this
requirement.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit (fill to desired lenght).
.
.
I'll finish with my obligatory you disgust me.

Thanks. I'm always glad to oblige vapor heads with obligatory disgust. :thumbsup: :laugh:

No way to refute the point so you just snip it huh? I don't know why I expected any different. The mentality of the anti-smoking crowd turns them so blindly in pursuit of their control of others they lose all ability to reason.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So lets say you were in Amsterdam, would you visit one of those famous Hash Bars?

Are you buying, including my airfare and hotel?

Why are you derailing the thread about what I do? It isn't tobacco, and I don't impose it on others.

Dude, we aren't talking about a bar or eatery meant for the general public, we are talking about an establishment meant for those who smoke. They don't impose it on those who don't smoke.

Hell. You asked me if I'd "visit one of those famous Hash Bars." I can't afford the trip, and I haven't seen real hash in years. So I'll ask again...

1. Are you buying? If so, it could be fun, especially since I can't stand beer so Heineken's has no appeal.

2. What does my alleged indulgence IN PRIVATE PLACES, or where I may go, or what I do in a foreign country have to do with allowing smoking tobacco in public places in the U.S?

Clue -- The answer to question 2 is NOTHING. :roll:

:laugh:

Man I feel like I'm arguing with Corbett's smarter older stoner brother:shocked: