I think this is getting ridiculous. I think banning smoking in bars / restaurants was fine, as it got people to go outside. Now if a bar is designated as a CIGAR BAR or a HOOKAH BAR then WTF are non-smokers doing there to begin with? I can understand someone wanting a drink, but not necessarily the smoking experience, but to flat out ban this in places that are DESIGNED for smoking is nuts.
Out of 194,882 registered members, we have exactly 0 with the user name, last name or e-mail address, McMoran so your post is totally meaningless.
Maybe you're just glad you've found something else to stroke that doesn't grow as much hair on your palm. :shocked:
Since you're so into my music, here's a song I wrote and sang about you. :laugh: Now with pic goodness. :camera:
fleshconsumed
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As a non-smoker I somewhat favor smoking bans in public places. I dislike it on principle, however, I do like being able to go to any place and not worry about inhaling smoke.
However, this is going overboard. Banning sales on campuses is pointless. It doesn't matter where people buy their smokes. And cigar bars? That one is absolutely ridiculous. Point of smoking bans is to protect non-smokers, cigar bars exist for the sole purpose of smoking a cigar and sipping scotch, non-smokers would never go there, there is no one to protect in this case.
However, this is going overboard. Banning sales on campuses is pointless. It doesn't matter where people buy their smokes. And cigar bars? That one is absolutely ridiculous. Point of smoking bans is to protect non-smokers, cigar bars exist for the sole purpose of smoking a cigar and sipping scotch, non-smokers would never go there, there is no one to protect in this case.
I'm really interested to hear a response to the point I raised. It is always a back and forth of "private establishment" versus "what about the workers" but what if there are no workers?
Anyone who manufactures or sells cigs should be shot. 
Once you've had a family member die of lung cancer, and I've had two, you will understand why I feel that way. I also have several ex-Marine buddies with emphysema.
Cigarettes are evil.
-Robert
Once you've had a family member die of lung cancer, and I've had two, you will understand why I feel that way. I also have several ex-Marine buddies with emphysema.
Cigarettes are evil.
-Robert
Originally posted by: TallBill
Kind of like of the 300 million US citizens we have exactly ONE person who holds the position Traitor in Chief
Fixed it for ya. No need to thank me.... Now, with video goodness.
Originally posted by: chess9
Anyone who manufactures or sells cigs should be shot.
Once you've had a family member die of lung cancer, and I've had two, you will understand why I feel that way. I also have several ex-Marine buddies with emphysema.
Cigarettes are evil.
-Robert
I lost something like 7 - 10 good friends to smoking related illnesses in one six year period. When we were kids, there were no warnings on the packages and no public awareness campaigns to counter the tobacco industries assault hunting for more addicts.
I made several white knuckle drives to the hospital with my friend, Barry, a wood carver, sculptor and graphic artist and all around good, generous person, who suffered from COPD, and I was with him as he pulled his last breath, and the monitiors went beep... beep... beep... beeeeeeeeee..., just as you see them on TV and in the movies.
My good good friend, Bob, was a musician, songwriter, poet who was also my bridge partner. We met when we were both cab drivers. He could motor mouth volumes of the most amazing lyrics. I watched him die, too, just as I did with my friend, Jerry, the tinker, carpenter and city building inspector who inspected the house I was buying at the time.
I could name more. I remember all of them, and I remember their excruciatingly painful deaths.
The tobacco execs knew tobacco was addictive and carcinogenic since the 50's, but they bribed our legislators and lied to the public to keep it legal. I think they're all guilty of crimes against humanity. :|
Shows how little you pay attention, let alone know. Otherwise, you'd know the link goes to a different song.
But if you mean what you posted, puh-leeeeze... KEEP LISTENING to the one linked in my sig! :thumbsup:
BoberFett
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Is chew being banned? That would really tell us what the goal is. Unless you're bending over and licking up spittle, there's no danger of second hand carcinogens from chew.
So if chew is being banned this is about the morality police and not about well being.
BoberFett
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Originally posted by: Harvey
Shows how little you pay attention, let alone know. Otherwise, you'd know the link goes to a different song.
But if you mean what you posted, puh-leeeeze... KEEP LISTENING to the one linked in my sig! :thumbsup:
I'll pass, but thanks.
Smoking, on the other hand, I might start just to blow in your face.
< sarcasm >
If you're stupid enough to start smoking, and you'll keep at it long enough to get addicted, I'll help, and I'll try not to laugh at your comic recreation of all of my friends' deaths I've witnessed.
< /sarcasm >
Nonsmokers have suffered for years the second hand smoke of obnoxious smokers in bars, clubs and restaurants. Now that the nonsmokers have discovered their political power, it is payback time. Sure, some of the no-smoking laws are ridiculous, but smokers have had it coming for years with their abuse of non-smokers.
Payback is a bitch.
Payback is a bitch.
TallBill
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I'm a nonsmoker and I have not suffered one bit from other people smoking. Loud music at bars can damage your hearing, second hand smoke could damage your lungs, alcohol can damage your liver.
Health warnings on cigarettes are nice, but banning shit is stupid.
Yeah, but you can put in earplugs if the music is too loud, and there is no second-hand alcohol poisoning, but you do have to breathe in a bar. Take your frickin' cigs outside, OK.
Good point Farang, you're right. We should not ban smoking in establishments in which the only people working are the owners.
What is the cost of smoking?
Well, at the moment, my wife's cousin is dying of lung cancer. She will be dead by Monday, probably. Her medical care for the last 8 months is now over $1,000,000. She has Blue Cross and it's a very good plan.
But, who do you suppose really pays that $1,000,000? The insurance company?
So, when you tell someone it's ok to light up ANYWHERE, you're telling them it's ok to reach into YOUR pocket and take some of YOUR money. Enjoy your freedom, it's a costly bit of stupidity.
Oh, and to those who think they haven't been harmed by passive smoke, you are wrong. Not dead wrong, but you could be both dead and wrong with that kind of thinking. The evidence on passive smoke's harm may be mostly indirect, but it's strong evidence, IMHO.
All of these Darwinian mechanisms for weeding out the brain dead-like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, smoking, drinking excessively, and doing other drugs have an enormous social cost. It's money out of YOUR pocket. So, enjoy your freedom while you can afford it.
-Robert
Well, at the moment, my wife's cousin is dying of lung cancer. She will be dead by Monday, probably. Her medical care for the last 8 months is now over $1,000,000. She has Blue Cross and it's a very good plan.
But, who do you suppose really pays that $1,000,000? The insurance company?
So, when you tell someone it's ok to light up ANYWHERE, you're telling them it's ok to reach into YOUR pocket and take some of YOUR money. Enjoy your freedom, it's a costly bit of stupidity.
Oh, and to those who think they haven't been harmed by passive smoke, you are wrong. Not dead wrong, but you could be both dead and wrong with that kind of thinking. The evidence on passive smoke's harm may be mostly indirect, but it's strong evidence, IMHO.
All of these Darwinian mechanisms for weeding out the brain dead-like riding a motorcycle without a helmet, smoking, drinking excessively, and doing other drugs have an enormous social cost. It's money out of YOUR pocket. So, enjoy your freedom while you can afford it.
-Robert
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