Boston and Beyond...

[TastesLikeChicken]

Solid numbers?

What do I need to prove?

What you need to prove is your claim. Where are the Iraqi International terrorists. We killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Where are the Afghan International terrorists? We are still killing Afghanis. How about Iranians? It's been decades that we've been meddling in Iran including up until today with sanctions.

The terrorists don't seem to come from any of those places. According to your theory, they should. Instead they come from countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE and, most recently, the US by way of Russia. We didn't attack those countries. We didn't invade those countries. We didn't kill their families. So their motivation for becoming terrorists would seem to come from elsewhere.

If history demonstrates anything it only serves to further destroy your claim. How many civilians did we kill in Germany? How about Japan? Where are the German terrorists? Where are the Japanese terrorists?

You claim our actions are creating more terrorists. Yet you cannot provide any numbers to back up that claim and your reasoning as to why we are allegedly creating those terrorists doesn't seem to withstand any sort of scrutiny, historical or otherwise.

 

[lotus503]

I don't like the cops at my place either. But if someone is trying to break in they are the first ones I'd call.

We are not world cops


Your claim was that OBL was a "stooge" of the US. Your own link shows that is not true. I posted another wiki link to show that is not true as well. Unfortunately, someone in P&N will, in the future, claim that OBL was a US stooge because people seem to love 'facts' that fellate their ingrained biases, no matter how incorrect those facts are.

We the US via the CIA and other operations provided the mujahideen with arms to fight the soviets in Afghanistan. Osama was in a leadership position in the mujahideen, via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khadamat neither wiki link disputes this.

Also, the "mujahideen" used by the CIA (or more accurately, by the ISI with US funding) were Afghans. No doubt some foreign fighters in Afghanistan could have tangentially benefitted from the US funding but it has never been demonstrated that the US had anything to do with OBL.

See above


We didn't occupy any ME countries during Desert Storm either.

Really how and where did we have troops in the area to force Iraq out of Kuwait?

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[Pr0d1gy]

This is an orange....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk


This is an actor.....
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bostonbombingdidyouthink20apr13.shtml

 

[Emos]

They hated us because we were invading their countries and messing with their government by appointing our own dictators onto them.

Do you not remember what we did to Iran with the Shah of Iran?

Is this Opposite Day or something? Actually in full agreement with him for once! *checks for candid camera*

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

We are not world cops

Kuwait seemed to think so. After all, they specifically requested US (not the USSR, not China, not the UN but specifically the United States) assistance against Saddam's invasion.

We the US via the CIA and other operations provided the mujahideen with arms to fight the soviets in Afghanistan. Osama was in a leadership position in the mujahideen, via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khadamat neither wiki link disputes this.

Did you even read your own link?

"During the Soviet-Afghanistan war, MAK played a minimal role, training a small group of 100 mujahidin for the war"

Those were foreign mujahedeen as well, not to be confused with the local Afghan mujahedeen. They were two separate entities. Funds from the CIA to the ISI were funneled to the Afghan muj, not OBL and his small band of foreign fighters. MAK also raised their own funds to train and support the foreign fighters and even OBL himself stated in past interviews that he never received funds from the US.

Really how and where did we have troops in the area to force Iraq out of Kuwait?

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They were flown in from US bases around the world. And your response makes me think you don't quite grasp the use of the word "occupation" in the context in which it is being used.

 

[nextJin]

What you need to prove is your claim. Where are the Iraqi International terrorists. We killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Where are the Afghan International terrorists? We are still killing Afghanis. How about Iranians? It's been decades that we've been meddling in Iran including up until today with sanctions.

The terrorists don't seem to come from any of those places. According to your theory, they should. Instead they come from countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE and, most recently, the US by way of Russia. We didn't attack those countries. We didn't invade those countries. We didn't kill their families. So their motivation for becoming terrorists would seem to come from elsewhere.

If history demonstrates anything it only serves to further destroy your claim. How many civilians did we kill in Germany? How about Japan? Where are the German terrorists? Where are the Japanese terrorists?

You claim our actions are creating more terrorists. Yet you cannot provide any numbers to back up that claim and your reasoning as to why we are allegedly creating those terrorists doesn't seem to withstand any sort of scrutiny, historical or otherwise.

I made a fairly long response on the phone just to have Mobile Opera crash yesterday but alas.

I know this topic takes critical thinking skills but comparing countries we are at war with against a religion is absurd. And so is saying why are Iraqis, Iranians, and Afghans not coming here to fight us.

You do realize immigration from those countries is rather difficult right? You also realize you have to speak some english, have a reason to come here and have financing correct? Tell me how any average person from any other those countries could meet all three requirements?

Those that are uneducated stay in those countries and become part of rebel groups like those seen in Syria, whom we support yet have ties with our enemies. This has been the standard quo for half a century. They become a power base for those groups, just like in Iraq and Afghanistan who are not stable and will not be stable once we leave. We are actively talking with the Taliban right now and for what reason? Because those in the know know that when we leave they will be part of the power structure.

Iran is not stupid, they are fighting a proxy war in their neighboring countries providing training and equipment. What rational reason would they have to give us a reason to crush them when they can bog us down wasting trillions and creating unstable environments for countries we are already in?

You don't seem to understand the problem, not many people do. To suggest that your theory is correct against all other studies and official reports is asinine and the laughable part is suggesting your theory is correct on the basis of our enemies countries of birth ignoring prime factors in what it takes to be a terrorist. Your ridiculous assertions also suggest that we have been at war as a nation with this group since our inception. If you want to play that game where was terrorism prior to the 50's? Hell the 60's even, show me why they hate us and when and where it all started.

If I were to give you a list of material to read it would start at the 9/11 Commision Report and end at geopolitics with a hint of proxy war studies.

 

[sm625]

Sorry, you're not going to convince me that most of the Middle East loved (or even liked) America before the drone campaign began. If it wasn't this reason it'd be another reason why they hate us. They're always going to hate us.

What they used to think is besides the point. The point is did they hate us enough before to actually dedicate their lives to feeding our police state? It's all a bunch of bs anyway. They all know that any act of terrorism just gives the irrational and corrupt state more power. Why do you think there really havent been that many terrorist incidents (aside from false flags)? If they really hated us and really truly believed that acts of terrorism could solve any problems for them, then shit would be blowing up all over america.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

If I were to give you a list of material to read it would start at the 9/11 Commision Report and end at geopolitics with a hint of proxy war studies.

If you were to give me a list of reading material?



What a condescending jackass.

OK. Let's play that game. I'm calling your ridiculous attempt at pseudo-intellectual bluffing. FYI, one of my online passions is sparring with 9/11 Truthers. I've been doing it for @ 10 years on various forums and blogs. As such, I keep up with the information regarding 9/11. I downloaded the 9/11 Commission (btw, if you're going to attempt the condescending intellectual angle you could at least spell it correctly) Report on the day it was released and read it front to back. I'm quite familiar with its contents.

So tell me and everyone else here, what exactly in that document substantiates your claim because I'm not aware of anything that does? I hope you have something concise and not your usual evasive BS, but I'm not holding my breath.