Boss question...

[heymrdj]

Didn't bother reading everything, but what I do see is what I posted in your previous thread: you're not nearly the shoe in you thought you were for this. You're being used and you should get out while you can.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Well he's ONLY staying for the big pay-out...so our vaca rolls over on 1/1...he will leave on 1/2, of course, he is announcing on Monday that he is leaving and thus, they have the option of allowing him that I assume since he's giving them a 6-wk notice. As I said though, he's only staying for the cash and he's already checked out as it is so I don't see him adding any value...just staying for the cash payout is all. Not saying it's easy to turn down money like that but, come on...gotta have some morals, this company has treated him pretty well, allowing him to work from home most days and giving him a nice salary, paying most of his medical insurance, etc.

Anyway, I happen to like the company that I work for so, how's that sad on my part? They're not big but not small so they can easily take a $10k hit with no problems I just don't personally think it's right.

Lots of people have new jobs but wait til their bonus payments that usually occurs in March before giving notice, you get butt hurt over that too?

 

[DigitalCancer]

Lots of people have new jobs but wait til their bonus payments that usually occurs in March before giving notice, you get butt hurt over that too?

You know...I don't need those comments...and..those are bonuses for WORK DONE...we're talking about vacation time the day after you get it, but thanks.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Not to be pompus..but this DOES concern me as it's my career that's being affected by this decision, I mean, my job duties as of right now would essentially start being outsourced. You'd have to know the 'big boss', but this is a small company and he looks at the money side of things and that is it...nothing more. I know it sounds ridiculous but trust me, you'd have to be here and experience to really understand why I'm concerned I guess.

Anyway, if he sells him on it, it totally affects me b/c it could affect the amount of money that I plan on asking him for b/c I'll no longer be doing 'both' jobs, not to mention...I don't want to outsource our IT and if I get locked into a 1-2yr contract on that, that ties my hands and it's a total waste of money. We don't have enough going on to warrant that, I honestly probably spend about 30% of my time on trouble tickets for general maintenance while the rest is issues within our platform, creating reports, checking our servers to make sure they're running optimally, checking the backups, etc.

I'm worried b/c of it affecting my future here as the 'big boss' has already farmed out once...not like he wouldn't do it again if he thought it was going to net him some money value and my boss CAN convince him of that. As I said though, it really won't b/c there's not enough to warrant it. My boss even said to 'fluff' my numbers to make it look like I'm doing more which tells me right there he's just looking to sell him on the plan.

A lot of words and you miss the point. Trust me, I have two decades of experience in IT and have been through more mergers, acquisitions, reorgs, etc. than you can count. The point is this -- your soon to be former boss is going to make the sales pitch to the Big Boss regardless of what you do or say and whether or not you give him the job breakdown as he requested. The Big Boss might consult you or might not and base his decisions on the numbers and other factors. And as someone (Capt. Caveman?) said earlier, who cares if he does decide to outsource maintenance? That is thankless, tedious work and you should be glad to get rid of it. If you're so valuable and have the skills to move up, why not prove it in the documentation you give to your boss?

No offense, but between your last thread about the vacation time and this one, it is clear to me that you don't have the experience and qualifications to be the "Big Boss of IT" there. Someone else said it in this thread and I'll repeat it -- you lack the big picture view and as a result, for all you know, they might bring someone else in to manage you.

EDIT: Also just noticed this line:

Anyway, if he sells him on it, it totally affects me b/c it could affect the amount of money that I plan on asking him for b/c I'll no longer be doing 'both' jobs, not to mention...

I want you to reread that line to yourself 10 times. Next, I want you to put yourself in the shoes of the Big Boss and ask yourself this -- why should he give a damn if it helps the bottom line to outsource maintenance?

 

[WilliamM2]

You know...I don't need those comments...and..those are bonuses for WORK DONE...we're talking about vacation time the day after you get it, but thanks.

Every company I have worked for has compensated employees who leave for their accrued vacation time. Leaving one week short of a year would only reduce it by a couple of hours. What's the big deal?

 

[DigitalCancer]

Every company I have worked for has compensated employees who leave for their accrued vacation time. Leaving one week short of a year would only reduce it by a couple of hours. What's the big deal?

Because we get all of our vacation at once.

So, he might have a week or 2 now...but 1/1 he gets 3 or 4wks...then he'll cash out.

But again...he's giving a 6-wk notice so...who knows how that'll play out. He's not really made any big strides...they've given him a $20k raise already with the title change about a year ago.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Because we get all of our vacation at once.

So, he might have a week or 2 now...but 1/1 he gets 3 or 4wks...then he'll cash out.

And it is still none of your business. Do you really think the Big Boss is so dumb that he can't figure out what your boss is doing? Maybe your boss did a great job for the company and the Big Boss will let him have it as kind of a bonus too.

 

[DigitalCancer]

And it is still none of your business. Do you really think the Big Boss is so dumb that he can't figure out what your boss is doing? Maybe your boss did a great job for the company and the Big Boss will let him have it as kind of a bonus too.

I'm not saying he wouldn't. Anyway...that's not what THIS thread is for and I've already come to my conclusion for that thread.

My issue in this thread, is that he's basically trying to extort money into his 'new' place of employment w/o adding any real value by selling all of their products to us which we do not need. We haven't needed them before and we don't need them now, it's simply to make him look good when he goes over there. He works from home 3-days a week and he's actually been going over to the new place for a couple of those days, even though he's getting paid here to do other things (which the project he's working on currently is actually behind right now because he hasn't gotten them some of the info he was supposed to have gotten them).

 

[WilliamM2]

Because we get all of our vacation at once.

So do we...unless you leave. Do you know what accrued means?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So do we...unless you leave. Do you know what accrued means?

His company apparently doesn't have that policy and they get ALL of their vacation on January 1 so if they leave on January 2, they get paid out for the entire year's allotment.

My last company was like that and then finally figured out that when everyone waited until January to quit, they should go to an accrual system.

 

[Capt Caveman]

His company apparently doesn't have that policy and they get ALL of their vacation on January 1 so if they leave on January 2, they get paid out for the entire year's allotment.

My last company was like that and then finally figured out that when everyone waited until January to quit, they should go to an accrual system.

Stupid company policy, if I worked there and if I could time my notice, I would do the same thing.

 

[DigitalCancer]

So do we...unless you leave. Do you know what accrued means?

Yes, I know what accrued means...we USED to get 1wk on our anniversary and the rest over a 6 month period. We...however, are not on the accrual method anymore...

We get ALL of our vacation/sick/etc. on 1/1 of each year and nothing more until 1/1 the next year.

 

[Ns1]

I see your company has no conflict of interest policy.

 

[DigitalCancer]

I see your company has no conflict of interest policy.

This would be correct. There are some 'changes' that they certainly need to make that're not currently in place.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Stupid company policy, if I worked there and if I could time my notice, I would do the same thing.

Exactly. I would too and so would any sane person.

 

[mugs]

Salary...over $120k/yr for him.

We call that 6 figures.

 

[DigitalCancer]

We call that 6 figures.

Yea, it was my bad...had a rough night and so I'm still recovering and today hasn't been nice since there's soooo much crap going on today.

 

[DrPizza]

1. If he gives 6 weeks notice and times it so that his last day is Jan 2, I can guarantee that his boss will either let him do it, and consider the extra $10k to be a sort of going away bonus for the hard work he's put in over the years, else the big boss is going to say, "well, we'll just have your last day be in December."

2. Maybe not in your company, but I've seen plenty of places where on Jan 1, you "get" all your vacation time - you can schedule it for throughout the year. But, if you left at the end of June, they'd only pay you for whatever remains of half of the year's time. That is, they prorate the amount that you have left for the year. The only way to "cheat" the system would be to use the entire year's worth of vacation time prior to quitting.

3. You must slack off a lot at work, if you can handle *everything* you're doing now, and feel you have enough room in your schedule to take on every single one of your boss's responsibilities. I assume this isn't quite true, therefore, it's to your advantage to farm out the menial thankless tasks to some contract - that'll give you more time to shine once you have your boss's position.

"Hey, look at me, I can do all of my job, and all of that person's job, at the same time." The management response isn't normally, "wow, you're awesome! We're going to pay you for both jobs!" The management response is, "holy shit! We've been overpaying for those two positions. They don't have enough job duties. Thanks for pointing it out."

 

[DigitalCancer]

1. If he gives 6 weeks notice and times it so that his last day is Jan 2, I can guarantee that his boss will either let him do it, and consider the extra $10k to be a sort of going away bonus for the hard work he's put in over the years, else the big boss is going to say, "well, we'll just have your last day be in December."

2. Maybe not in your company, but I've seen plenty of places where on Jan 1, you "get" all your vacation time - you can schedule it for throughout the year. But, if you left at the end of June, they'd only pay you for whatever remains of half of the year's time. That is, they prorate the amount that you have left for the year. The only way to "cheat" the system would be to use the entire year's worth of vacation time prior to quitting.

3. You must slack off a lot at work, if you can handle *everything* you're doing now, and feel you have enough room in your schedule to take on every single one of your boss's responsibilities. I assume this isn't quite true, therefore, it's to your advantage to farm out the menial thankless tasks to some contract - that'll give you more time to shine once you have your boss's position.

"Hey, look at me, I can do all of my job, and all of that person's job, at the same time." The management response isn't normally, "wow, you're awesome! We're going to pay you for both jobs!" The management response is, "holy shit! We've been overpaying for those two positions. They don't have enough job duties. Thanks for pointing it out."

It's not that they've been over-paying...it's the model of what it is we do and how we do it. When my boss and I first got here, we had NO proper backups, NO proper IT, the network was crap and totally un-secured. My boss needed my help with all of that, and so after he got here he waited 2 months then brought me on. We spent over $100k on the network revamp...I picked out the servers we're using now and we farmed out the setup on our Exchange server but he and I together setup the secured shared drives and the VPN, etc. So yes, 2 ppl were necessary at the time. Now, I handle the front-line issues and he handles the contracts (we're an appraisal company by the way). So, he has a few meetings here and there but honestly my job consists of some menial tasks as of late since we've gotten everything straightened out.
It's a smaller company though, (2) locations and about 100 in-house employee's with 100's of outside contractors but we don't support them a whole lot (due to 'employee/contractor' issues).

What I'm saying is...yes, I can handle both w/o needing help...some days may be worse than others with the conflicting schedules but...I honestly pretty much do BOTH jobs as it is besides the actually contract signing that he does.