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Born-Again Christians

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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: xirtam
Yes. I don't think you can be a Christian and not be "born again." The phrase comes from John 3. I think most nonchristians equate "born-again" Christianity with Christian fundamentalists, some of whom are rather extreme and are capable of doing very "unchristianlike" actions in support of their ideals.
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I agree 100% 🙂 You can't be a follower of Christ (a Christian) if you don't believe in the Word of GOd, which states that the only way to heaven is through Jesus.
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And then the interpretation debate ensues. If the only way to heaven is through Jesus, are there several ways to Jesus? Also, since Jesus created all things (John 1), wouldn't it be impossible anyway in a sense to do *anything* completely uninfluenced by Jesus? Finally, is it possible to be "saved" without knowing it? (i.e., Jesus is your means of salvation although you're unaware, as in the case of infants or those who have never heard.)
 
Former Christian.

Currently agnostic.




which states that the only way to heaven is through Jesus.
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Why should this matter?

Shouldn't you have faith to serve god/righteousness? Not for some reward?
 
My SO's parents are born-agains fundies. It's tough, from my POV, to approach them, as I'm a liberal independent agnostic.
 
My SO's parents are born-agains fundies. It's tough, from my POV, to approach them, as I'm a liberal independent agnostic.
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Yeah, I'm in a similar situation. My entire family is getting increasingly religious/conservative.

There was a time I considered myself conservative, but the Republican party left the ideals I agreed with (fiscal responsibility, small government). I'm now a liberal leaning independent by today's standards. Conservative doesn't even mean conservative by definition anymore.
 
still not sure on that..


born again,... arn't all Christians technically "born again"? or is it just refering to; growing up w/out God, and finding Him as an adult?
 
Originally posted by: Legend
My SO's parents are born-agains fundies. It's tough, from my POV, to approach them, as I'm a liberal independent agnostic.
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Yeah, I'm in a similar situation. My entire family is getting increasingly religious/conservative.

There was a time I considered myself conservative, but the Republican party left the ideals I agreed with (fiscal responsibility, small government). I'm now a liberal leaning independent by today's standards. Conservative doesn't even mean conservative by definition anymore.
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Join us in the libertarian party.


 
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: xirtam
Yes. I don't think you can be a Christian and not be "born again." The phrase comes from John 3. I think most nonchristians equate "born-again" Christianity with Christian fundamentalists, some of whom are rather extreme and are capable of doing very "unchristianlike" actions in support of their ideals.
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I agree 100% 🙂 You can't be a follower of Christ (a Christian) if you don't believe in the Word of GOd, which states that the only way to heaven is through Jesus.
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Exactly!!! needless to say, I am a christian.
 
Originally posted by: xirtam
Yes. I don't think you can be a Christian and not be "born again." The phrase comes from John 3. I think most nonchristians equate "born-again" Christianity with Christian fundamentalists, some of whom are rather extreme and are capable of doing very "unchristianlike" actions in support of their ideals.
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My parents are born again in this sense, but not really super fundamentalist. They believe in a strict interpertation of the Bible though. That doesn't mesh too well with my science/atheist beliefs.

Actually I'm more of a pastafarian 😉
 
Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
still not sure on that..


born again,... arn't all Christians technically "born again"? or is it just refering to; growing up w/out God, and finding Him as an adult?
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how do you "find" God, was He ever lost in the first place?
 
Originally posted by: jononew22
Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
still not sure on that..


born again,... arn't all Christians technically "born again"? or is it just refering to; growing up w/out God, and finding Him as an adult?
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how do you "find" God, was He ever lost in the first place?
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I think it means that you come to the point where you personally accept Jesus as your savior, when that happens, you are "born again" and are saved. Commonly this is called either evangelical or non-denominational. I'm sure there are some around here to clear things up.
 
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
Nope, it took the first time.
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which is sad because then you really dont get as much credit as the born-agains.
they always seem like they want a little more of a pat on the back than the guys who have always been with it.
 
So...if you're Born Again, don't you have to get a new birth certificate?

I mean, right? Like, how can you provide your birth certificate as proof of identity if it no longer applies?

AH! Suddenly the religious freaks get defensive! "It doesn't count towards THAT!" they say!

Ah, but it DOES! In the eyes of THE LORD, this is your REBIRTH, no? A new beginning, so to speak.

Nevermind the fact that your body is already dead from the years of alcohol, drug and sexual abuse you heaped upon it...no...you're born again now.

NEW soul. NEW body. NEW life, right?

:roll:
 
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