Boomer Esiason or Phil Simms?

[PlatinumGold]

who was the better QB? are either good enough to make the HOF?



also, looking back at their stats, i didn't realize how tall these guys were, boomer is 6'5" and phil 6'3"


Boomer
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1984 cin | 10 | 51 102 50.0 530 5.2 3 3 | 19 63 2 |
| 1985 cin | 15 | 251 431 58.2 3443 8.0 27 12 | 33 79 1 |
| 1986 cin | 16 | 273 469 58.2 3959 8.4 24 17 | 44 146 1 |
| 1987 cin | 12 | 240 440 54.5 3321 7.5 16 19 | 52 241 0 |
| 1988 cin | 16 | 223 388 57.5 3572 9.2 28 14 | 43 248 1 |
| 1989 cin | 16 | 258 455 56.7 3525 7.7 28 11 | 47 278 0 |
| 1990 cin | 16 | 224 402 55.7 3031 7.5 24 22 | 49 157 0 |
| 1991 cin | 14 | 233 413 56.4 2883 7.0 13 16 | 24 66 0 |
| 1992 cin | 12 | 144 278 51.8 1407 5.1 11 15 | 21 66 0 |
| 1993 nyj | 16 | 288 473 60.9 3421 7.2 16 11 | 45 118 1 |
| 1994 nyj | 15 | 255 440 58.0 2782 6.3 17 13 | 28 59 0 |
| 1995 nyj | 12 | 221 389 56.8 2275 5.8 16 15 | 19 14 0 |
| 1996 ari | 10 | 190 339 56.0 2293 6.8 11 14 | 15 52 1 |
| 1997 cin | 7 | 118 186 63.4 1478 7.9 13 2 | 8 11 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 187 | 2969 5205 57.0 37920 7.3 247 184 | 447 1598 7 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Phil
+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1979 nyg | 12 | 134 265 50.6 1743 6.6 13 14 | 29 166 1 |
| 1980 nyg | 13 | 193 402 48.0 2321 5.8 15 19 | 36 190 1 |
| 1981 nyg | 10 | 172 316 54.4 2031 6.4 11 9 | 19 42 0 |
| 1983 nyg | 2 | 7 13 53.8 130 10.0 0 1 | 0 0 0 |
| 1984 nyg | 16 | 286 533 53.7 4044 7.6 22 18 | 42 162 0 |
| 1985 nyg | 16 | 275 495 55.6 3829 7.7 22 20 | 37 132 0 |
| 1986 nyg | 16 | 259 468 55.3 3487 7.5 21 22 | 43 72 1 |
| 1987 nyg | 9 | 163 282 57.8 2230 7.9 17 9 | 14 44 0 |
| 1988 nyg | 15 | 263 479 54.9 3359 7.0 21 11 | 33 152 0 |
| 1989 nyg | 15 | 228 405 56.3 3061 7.6 14 14 | 32 141 1 |
| 1990 nyg | 14 | 184 311 59.2 2284 7.3 15 4 | 21 61 1 |
| 1991 nyg | 6 | 82 141 58.2 993 7.0 8 4 | 9 42 1 |
| 1992 nyg | 4 | 83 137 60.6 912 6.7 5 3 | 6 17 0 |
| 1993 nyg | 16 | 247 400 61.8 3038 7.6 15 9 | 28 31 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 164 | 2576 4647 55.4 33462 7.2 199 157 | 349 1252 6 |

 

[Capt Caveman]

I don't believe either should in the HOF.

Boomer was the better QB but Phil won a Superbowl.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I don't believe either should in the HOF.

Boomer was the better QB but Phil won a Superbowl.

actually, i posted this because most people in the NYC area think Simms is a god and boomer is probably underrated in this area.

boomer, on the right team, would probably have been a HOFer. he got screwed with the bengals for so many years, altho he did take them to a super bowl.

 

[Deeko]

I don't really think either are HOF worthy, but if I HAD to pick one to go, it would be Boomer.

 

[Gibsons]

I think the proper cliche is "it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good."

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't really think either are HOF worthy, but if I HAD to pick one to go, it would be Boomer.

i forgot to put in the OP.

Boomer, 4 pro bowls

Phil, 2 pro bowls.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I think the proper cliche is "it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good."

so you think both are very good?

phil in my opinion very good.

boomer was borderline great. i listen to WFAN most mornings and boomer has taken over Imus's spot. as i was listening to him this morning it got me thinking about his career.

he really was a very very good qb, again, as i posted earlier, borderline great.

so, i was just curious as to how others felt, how close was he to great. if he had won that one super bowl he was in against joe montana, would that have put him over the top?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I think the proper cliche is "it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good."

so you think both are very good?

phil in my opinion very good.

boomer was borderline great. i listen to WFAN most mornings and boomer has taken over Imus's spot. as i was listening to him this morning it got me thinking about his career.

he really was a very very good qb, again, as i posted earlier, borderline great.

so, i was just curious as to how others felt, how close was he to great. if he had won that one super bowl he was in against joe montana, would that have put him over the top?

Simms suffers from being on a team that won mostly on defense and a running game.

I agree Boomer's probably close... he had an MVP year IIRC, but not that many great years. Plus you have to consider the competition they'll face in getting in. Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis will be up soon and they'll all probably get in on the first ballot. Lots of others coming up too... does Terrel Davis get in, for instance?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I think the proper cliche is "it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good."

so you think both are very good?

phil in my opinion very good.

boomer was borderline great. i listen to WFAN most mornings and boomer has taken over Imus's spot. as i was listening to him this morning it got me thinking about his career.

he really was a very very good qb, again, as i posted earlier, borderline great.

so, i was just curious as to how others felt, how close was he to great. if he had won that one super bowl he was in against joe montana, would that have put him over the top?

Simms suffers from being on a team that won mostly on defense and a running game.

I agree Boomer's probably close... he had an MVP year IIRC, but not that many great years. Plus you have to consider the competition they'll face in getting in. Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis will be up soon and they'll all probably get in on the first ballot. Lots of others coming up too... does Terrel Davis get in, for instance?

agreed, altho i'd probably take boomer over bettis for a team.

Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 11
Completions: 12
Passing yards: 13
Passing TDs: 14

boomer is top 15 all time, in the above categories. that is pretty close to being an all time great.

 

[ThePresence]

Simms!
(and Hostetler!)

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Simms!
(and Hostetler!)

but you are a NY homer, so your opinion doesn't count.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Simms!
(and Hostetler!)

but you are a NY homer, so your opinion doesn't count.

There's some truth to that.

Boomer may have been a marginally better player, but he wasn't the team leader that Phil was. The Giants lived and died with Simms.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Simms!
(and Hostetler!)

but you are a NY homer, so your opinion doesn't count.

There's some truth to that.

Boomer may have been a marginally better player, but he wasn't the team leader that Phil was. The Giants lived and died with Simms.

seriously tho, NY fans think that Simms and LT are gods, they worship those two players. ok, mb LT was god, but i'm still not convinced that he was as good as NY fans think he was.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I don't believe either should in the HOF.

Boomer was the better QB but Phil won a Superbowl.

Agreed.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Simms!
(and Hostetler!)

but you are a NY homer, so your opinion doesn't count.

There's some truth to that.

Boomer may have been a marginally better player, but he wasn't the team leader that Phil was. The Giants lived and died with Simms.

I'd say they lived and died depending on how coked up LT was.

Or how well they were running the ball with Morris or Anderson.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't really think either are HOF worthy, but if I HAD to pick one to go, it would be Boomer.

 

[edro]

Who-Dey!

That's my answer.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: edro
Who-Dey!

That's my answer.

young un huh?

 

[classy]

Being a Giant fan through the Simms years, I would say it is a toss up. Boomer was more talented, but also made far more mistakes. I also believe Simms was a better big game qb as well. Neither I believe is HOF though.

 

[Svnla]

I don't like either one of them but Simms won Superbowl.....-----> Winner.

Marino is my man but he never won a SB.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Whoever can do the Icky Shuffle wins.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Simms!
(and Hostetler!)

but you are a NY homer, so your opinion doesn't count.

There's some truth to that.

Boomer may have been a marginally better player, but he wasn't the team leader that Phil was. The Giants lived and died with Simms.

seriously tho, NY fans think that Simms and LT are gods, they worship those two players. ok, mb LT was god, but i'm still not convinced that he was as good as NY fans think he was.

I'm a longtime NY Giants fan and I can't stand Phil Simms. He may have been a leader, but Hostetler won the 1990 SuperBowl for them. Additionally, he beat out Simms for the starting QB role the following season. Phil Simms is not bad as a broadcaster, but I would turn off games he was broadcasting when his son was playing for Tampa Bay. His commentary drove me nuts.

 

[jonks]

They both belong in the Gary Busey Lookalike Hall of Fame.

Busey
http://thesebootsaremadeforsta...kyonredcarpetextra.jpg

Phil
http://blogs.trb.com/news/loca.../blog/phil%20simms.jpg

Boomer
http://www.thefreddies.com/Awa...PS_BoomerEsiason_3.jpg

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I don't believe either should in the HOF.

Boomer was the better QB but Phil won a Superbowl.

So did Jeff Hostetler (sp). So did Doug Williams. So did lots of other QB's who aren't in the Hall.

Phil wasn't good enough to be in the Hall. Boomer was a better QB, but Phil played on better teams, with a better coach.

Winning one game doesn't make a career as far as Hall-worthiness goes, IMO. It's just one game, and it's a team sport.

If you're on a half-ass team and you take that team on your shoulders and win the Superbowl and throw up killer stats....that's a case there.

But if you're just a good-to-fair QB who plays on awesome teams with a HOF coach and you just pilot the ship....hey, enjoy your rings, but you don't get in the Hall.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Svnla
I don't like either one of them but Simms won Superbowl.....-----> Winner.

Marino is my man but he never won a SB.

Which is irrelevant, as football is a team sport. Dan the Man didn't play defense. Nor could he play receiver or running back, offensive line, etc.