bone to pick with anandtech

[imported_tdbone1]

hey all:
ive been coming to this site for many years and reading all your reviews and you are usually dead on
i got a problem this time.
well let me explain i just bought a BFG 8800gts ($500.00) lucky i didnt get the GTX and i run windows xp x64

why didnt the review say anything about it not being able to run anything in openGL
and that currently there are absolutely no vista drivers at all?

im not blaming you all (i should have investigated further into it) but i usually ho here and dare i say it (tomshardware and firingsquad too)
none of these sites said nothing about it not working in winxp x64
your site is the most unbiased there is for revies imho
did they make you sign a NDA about it not working with win xp x64?

look at this
on my video card box it says DX10 and in the very next line it says supported OS = windows xp 32bit
now last time i checked winxp is DX9.0 and the last time i checked what DX10 belonged to was vista

now this isnt a great first post but i really feel like you should have given your readers a heads up instead of going along with all the other hype about this card is the crap...(everysite said that)
this card barely works in winxp x64 and x86
now i know nvidia will have good drivers sometime but i for sure would not have bought this card within the first weeks of its release (we pay crazy premiums for that)
i could have waited until a month from now and i know it would have been lower and if i would have waited 2months R600 would be another choice and i know these 8800 cards would be alot cheaper

OH and some other big pease of news:
if you goto http:\\forums.nvidia.com get ready to get banned
i personally seen over 30 ppl banned just today alone
stop in and say something you will see what i mean
god what happened to nvidia
but for real there are about 4-5 sites i goto everyday
www.ve3d.com
www.anandtech.com
www.planeramd64.com
www.bluesnews.com
www.tomshardware.com <<<<dont kill me for saying it please

 

[aberdeen5]

k

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: tdbone1
hey all:
ive been coming to this site for many years and reading all your reviews and you are usually dead on
i got a problem this time.
well let me explain i just bought a BFG 8800gts ($500.00) lucky i didnt get the GTX and i run windows xp x64

Problem: you're running xp x64. universally known for having performance issues.

why didnt the review say anything about it not being able to run anything in openGL
and that currently there are absolutely no vista drivers at all?

im not blaming you all (i should have investigated further into it) but i usually ho here and dare i say it (tomshardware and firingsquad too)

No one cares who you blame. Seems like a personal problem.

none of these sites said nothing about it not working in winxp x64
Did these sites specifically say they tested it in x64? If not, then it's obvious there's no need to mention it.

your site is the most unbiased there is for revies imho
did they make you sign a NDA about it not working with win xp x64?

Problem: Is this whole rant because you are using x64 and no one's got your back?

look at this
on my video card box it says DX10 and in the very next line it says supported OS = windows xp 32bit
now last time i checked winxp is DX9.0 and the last time i checked what DX10 belonged to was vista

Problem: Well, right here...it says supported OS = x32. not x64.

now this isnt a great first post but i really feel like you should have given your readers a heads up instead of going along with all the other hype about this card is the crap...(everysite said that)

You're right. This post sucks.

this card barely works in winxp x64 and x86
I thought you said your main problem is with x64???

now i know nvidia will have good drivers sometime but i for sure would not have bought this card within the first weeks of its release (we pay crazy premiums for that)
i could have waited until a month from now and i know it would have been lower and if i would have waited 2months R600 would be another choice and i know these 8800 cards would be alot cheaper

OH and some other big pease of news:
if you goto http:\\forums.nvidia.com get ready to get banned
i personally seen over 30 ppl banned just today alone

Why waste time there? What did you do to get banned? What did they do? Specifics?

stop in and say something you will see what i mean
god what happened to nvidia
God what happened to this post?
but for real there are about 4-5 sites i goto everyday
But for real, there are plenty more sites to get your info...
www.ve3d.com
www.anandtech.com
www.planeramd64.com
www.bluesnews.com
www.tomshardware.com <<<<dont kill me for saying it please

Picking up brand new hardware fresh out of the market isn't always the best choice. Don't expect immediate drivers working for just about everything. Especially Windows XP 64, and Vista. Drivers take time to get right, and support over multiple platforms takes some work. Spend some more time on the forums and learn what it is you need to do to work around your problem. Or downgrade to something that works.

Before spend a few hundred on a video card, do some research and be sure it works with whatever POS software your using.

 

[Noubourne]

Yeah I don't know how this could possibly get by you.

I mean, all the other drivers for devices under XP-64 work so well, right?

This falls under the shoulda-known category. You (and 4 other people) run XP-64. You should know the driver support sucks.

 

[Tarrant64]

Also, I don't think anyone will kill you for mentioning tomshardware. They would probably kill you for attempting to blame anandtech for your problems.

you bought the hardware. you chose to use windows xp x64. you mention nobody says anything about it running on the OS.

Why did you buy it? Look back at your steps, and see the problem. I got a bone to pick with your method of thinking things through.

 

[EvilRage]

Originally posted by: tdbone1

look at this
on my video card box it says DX10 and in the very next line it says supported OS = windows xp 32bit
now last time i checked winxp is DX9.0 and the last time i checked what DX10 belonged to was vista

That's right, DX10 is Vista. Windows XP is 32bit. The card doesn't come with drivers that support DX10/Vista because neither has been released yet. If you'd have maybe thought about that...

Originally posted by: tdbone1
now i know nvidia will have good drivers sometime but i for sure would not have bought this card within the first weeks of its release (we pay crazy premiums for that)
i could have waited until a month from now and i know it would have been lower and if i would have waited 2months R600 would be another choice and i know these 8800 cards would be alot cheaper

...You wouldn't have spent $500 on a card (and paid a crazy premium) and instead waited for Vista/DX10/Drivers, when the card would be cheaper and actually work the way it's designed to.

No sympathy for you for running XP-64, either. You're just creating problems for yourself. Don't point the blame finger at anything but the mirror. Maybe next time you drop 5 bills, you'll do a little research first, eh?

 

[Genx87]

My 8800GTS works flawlessly in WinXP 32 bit.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: Genx87
My 8800GTS works flawlessly in WinXP 32 bit.

Naturally.

I hope he's getting the point by now.

 

[imported_tdbone1]

now come on man
ppl have been using winxp x64 for over 2years jsut fine
goto planetamd64.com and look
every video card nvidia makes supports x64 (goto their site and see for your self)
and yea i did get banned for nothing
and so did a ton of other ppl
as a matter of fact they just shut down their forums
http:\\forums.nvidia.com
im just saying it would have been nice if you would have mentioned
btw ppl (this vcard does not work with xp x64 AND there are no vista drivers currently avail
im not blaming andandtech for anything...im just a little disappointed you all didnt catch it
i will let you in on a little secret
almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64 (go look at some user specs in almost any forum (look for xp x64 then glance down at their machine specs)
we might be a small part of the market but this part of the market spends some serious money on hardware

and i was just asking were you all under some NDA not to say anything about it not currently having drivers for vista and the drivers for xp x64 are broken AND the drivers for xp86 arent so hot either?
i have this card right now (believe me i know)
and its funny how nvidia customer feedback is also "under construction" and their forums just went offline
take a look it isnt just me

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: tdbone1
now come on man
ppl have been using winxp x64 for over 2years jsut fine
goto planetamd64.com and look
Not too many people use x64. People who are using it just fine, probably aren't running around with an 8800. Just a guess...

every video card nvidia makes supports x64 (goto their site and see for your self)
According to you, obviously not...

and yea i did get banned for nothing
and so did a ton of other ppl
as a matter of fact they just shut down their forums
http:\\forums.nvidia.com

What did you plan to accomplish there?

im just saying it would have been nice if you would have mentioned
btw ppl (this vcard does not work with xp x64 AND there are no vista drivers currently avail
im not blaming andandtech for anything...im just a little disappointed you all didnt catch it
i will let you in on a little secret
Here's a little secret for you. Those of us who "didn't catch it" aren't having any problems. We're not running x64, and if we were, we're not running an 8800...

almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64 (go look at some user specs in almost any forum (look for xp x64 then glance down at their machine specs)
we might be a small part of the market but this part of the market spends some serious money on hardware
Those using high end hardware are usually using Windows XP 32-bit. Not 64. Benchmarks actually decrease generally when using it. Known 'secret'.

and i was just asking were you all under some NDA not to say anything about it not currently having drivers for vista and the drivers for xp x64 are broken AND the drivers for xp86 arent so hot either?
i have this card right now (believe me i know)
Believe me, nobody cares what you believe.
and its funny how nvidia customer feedback is also "under construction" and their forums just went offline
take a look it isnt just
You are funny. You are a funny, silly man. Maybe you're jumping to conclusions. Maybe they really are having forum issues. It happens. Really, believe me.

Stop typing partial sentences and hitting ENTER after every thought. You are like a child on AIM. Cut it out. It's annoying.

 

[Old Hippie]

almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64

:roll:
Think Again.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64

:roll:
Think Again.

Sounds like someone I know who knows nothing thinking 64-bit processors are the *hit, and wasted on XP 32-bit. ~Something along those lines.

 

[imported_tdbone1]

just do me a favor and go look at their site
http:\\forums.nvidia.com
oh you cant can you cause they closed it
im telling ya it was getting BAD over there
i seen a moderator ban at least 30 ppl in less then 5hrs
it isnt just me
and im not saying everyone that runs xp x64 has hardware but im also not saying (just count us out cause we dont make a diff in sales of highend hardware)

ive been running ati x850s, x1800s and x1900xtx (that i just returned) for over 2 years on xp64 and it ran freaking great
so dont act like its not a gamin OS too
if remember right werent alot of ppl saying windows 2000 is NOT a gaming OS
well take a peak at what we are all using today
NT technogy is in windows xp and vista
its not new

 

[Genx87]

almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64

I doubt this, WinXP x64 imo is a bastard child like WindowsME, not many people use it.

 

[imported_tdbone1]

well my whole point in this thread wasnt about x85 vs x86
i think we can all see the direction everything is headed (does intel and amd even make an x86 processor any more?)
anyhow my point is this
i trust www.anandtech.com like i say i come to this site daily for many years and have told alot of ppl about this site (recommended it) i just cant believe someone didnt drop dime on nvidia and say there are no drivers for vista or for xp x64 (that work) AND for x86 even (yes they do work in DX and opengl) but not even close to how they are supposed to
and its not just me (im serious there were some down right crazy mad ppl on nvidias forums) they just shut it all down
i trust www.anandtech.com the most and by NO WAY am saying its there fault but it would have been nice just to drop a clue and say "at the time of this review there are no vista drivers and no xp x64 drivers that work and x86 isnt that hot either) instead of just building it up like its the greatest thing next to
i still love this site (of couse) but dang
that was $500.00 i just spent on this paper weight

 

[Genx87]

Did they mention Win98 or Win95? I mean really, you cant expect a review to tell you everything that doesnt work.
VISTA is still Beta, you are on your own concerning drivers and compatibility.
Overall this is one of the most baffling OP's in a long time.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: tdbone1
well my whole point in this thread wasnt about x85 vs x86
i think we can all see the direction everything is headed (does intel and amd even make an x86 processor any more?)
anyhow my point is this
i trust www.anandtech.com like i say i come to this site daily for many years and have told alot of ppl about this site (recommended it) i just cant believe someone didnt drop dime on nvidia and say there are no drivers for vista or for xp x64 (that work) AND for x86 even (yes they do work in DX and opengl) but not even close to how they are supposed to
and its not just me (im serious there were some down right crazy mad ppl on nvidias forums) they just shut it all down
i trust www.anandtech.com the most and by NO WAY am saying its there fault but it would have been nice just to drop a clue and say "at the time of this review there are no vista drivers and no xp x64 drivers that work and x86 isnt that hot either) instead of just building it up like its the greatest thing next to
i still love this site (of couse) but dang
that was $500.00 i just spent on this paper weight

PUNCTUATION!!
Bloody hell, through four posts, you haven't had a point, both in the sense of a worthy idea nor a damn period.

Why are you so surprised that a brand new video card doesn't have drivers for an OS that isn't out yet, or Windows x64. Your belief that "almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64" gives amazing insight as to why you were suprised, however...

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo

Originally posted by: tdbone1
well my whole point in this thread wasnt about x85 vs x86
i think we can all see the direction everything is headed (does intel and amd even make an x86 processor any more?)
anyhow my point is this
i trust www.anandtech.com like i say i come to this site daily for many years and have told alot of ppl about this site (recommended it) i just cant believe someone didnt drop dime on nvidia and say there are no drivers for vista or for xp x64 (that work) AND for x86 even (yes they do work in DX and opengl) but not even close to how they are supposed to
and its not just me (im serious there were some down right crazy mad ppl on nvidias forums) they just shut it all down
i trust www.anandtech.com the most and by NO WAY am saying its there fault but it would have been nice just to drop a clue and say "at the time of this review there are no vista drivers and no xp x64 drivers that work and x86 isnt that hot either) instead of just building it up like its the greatest thing next to
i still love this site (of couse) but dang
that was $500.00 i just spent on this paper weight

PUNCTUATION!!
Bloody hell, through four posts, you haven't had a point, both in the sense of a worthy idea nor a damn period.

Why are you so surprised that a brand new video card doesn't have drivers for an OS that isn't out yet, or Windows x64. Your belief that "almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64" gives amazing insight as to why you were suprised, however...

QFT. The punctuation. I don't understand why he can't fix something so simple.

as to Genx87's comment on WinXP 64 being a bastard child, too funny! And I agree.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Install 32 bit XP, and use punctuation because it's not hard. /thread

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: tdbone1
well my whole point in this thread wasnt about x85 vs x86
?

i think we can all see the direction everything is headed (does intel and amd even make an x86 processor any more?)
??
anyhow my point is this
i trust www.anandtech.com like i say i come to this site daily for many years and have told alot of ppl about this site (recommended it) i just cant believe someone didnt drop dime on nvidia and say there are no drivers for vista or for xp x64 (that work) AND for x86 even...
Let's look over this. Someone may have said something if they chose to run x64 and an 8800. However, I'm still waiting for the other poor soul to come poor his quarters out over how this combination just didn't work out.
(yes they do work in DX and opengl) but not even close to how they are supposed to
and its not just me (im serious there were some down right crazy mad ppl on nvidias forums) they just shut it all down
So crazy mad people on nvidia forums is an excuse for what has happened to you?

i trust www.anandtech.com the most and by NO WAY am saying its there fault but it would have been nice just to drop a clue
Again...nobody is entitled to drop a clue as to why you shouldn't buy an x64 and 8800 as a combo. Especially if you spend $500. You waisted $$$ on a *hit OS, and $$$$ on a rather new video card that's probably not 100% driver ready...

and say "at the time of this review there are no vista drivers and no xp x64 drivers that work and x86 isnt that hot either) instead of just building it up like its the greatest thing next to
I want to beat you with the stupid stick. If nowhere on the review it says Vista and x64 ready, why would you jump right in? I mean, I just can't seemed to get passed(past?) that point.
i still love this site (of couse) but dang
that was $500.00 i just spent on this paper weight
I will just assume that if you have the $500 to blow on a card that didn't work, you will somehow manage to blow another $500 on something else that might. Or, spend a couple hundred bucks on Windows XP 32bit, that should be chump change, right?

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: tdbone1
well my whole point in this thread wasnt about x85 vs x86
i think we can all see the direction everything is headed (does intel and amd even make an x86 processor any more?)
anyhow my point is this
i trust www.anandtech.com like i say i come to this site daily for many years and have told alot of ppl about this site (recommended it) i just cant believe someone didnt drop dime on nvidia and say there are no drivers for vista or for xp x64 (that work) AND for x86 even (yes they do work in DX and opengl) but not even close to how they are supposed to
and its not just me (im serious there were some down right crazy mad ppl on nvidias forums) they just shut it all down
i trust www.anandtech.com the most and by NO WAY am saying its there fault but it would have been nice just to drop a clue and say "at the time of this review there are no vista drivers and no xp x64 drivers that work and x86 isnt that hot either) instead of just building it up like its the greatest thing next to
i still love this site (of couse) but dang
that was $500.00 i just spent on this paper weight

AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA

OK now that I am done laughing at your logic let me say this, STFU moron.
x86 refers to the language the CPUs speak (this is put in the simplest of terms), x86-64 is a 64-bit extension of the 32-bit x86 language. There is no such thing as x85. x86-64 is fully backwards compatible with 32-bit x86.
Now that that is cleared up...
Windows Vista is beta software, being beta software you won't have the driver support of a fully released operating system. Don't like it? Tough. Wait for it to be a full release.
As for WinXP-64 Can't help you there. There is very little support for it because there are very few people running it. (As others have stated) 99.9% of the review sites out there test on regular WinXP.
If you want to bash on nVidia for not providing drivers for winxp-64 for your 8800. Fine, you are generaly justified in doing so. But to bash on Anandtech or any other site that didn't tell you that "This doesn't represent WinXP-64 performance", is stupid.
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

[Noubourne]

x85?

LOL!! Too bad you don't have some high end intelligence to match all that high end hardware.

I would venture to say that MOST people running 64-bit XP are dual-booting, and the rest don't realize that there are almost no apps out that need and/or can use the extra memory addressing that 64bit buys you. Among those who don't realize, you are probably #1 (or is that x81?).

The proper thing to do when you don't know is ask, not accuse. Because you have taken the wrong approach to your hardware and software issues, expect a sound beating internet msg board style.

Remember, it is better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you to be a moron, than to open it and remove all doubt.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Zaitsev
Install 32 bit XP, and use punctuation because it's not hard. /thread

Listen to the crab, he is wise. :thumbsup:

 

[imported_tdbone1]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo

Originally posted by: tdbone1
well my whole point in this thread wasnt about x85 vs x86
i think we can all see the direction everything is headed (does intel and amd even make an x86 processor any more?)
anyhow my point is this
i trust www.anandtech.com like i say i come to this site daily for many years and have told alot of ppl about this site (recommended it) i just cant believe someone didnt drop dime on nvidia and say there are no drivers for vista or for xp x64 (that work) AND for x86 even (yes they do work in DX and opengl) but not even close to how they are supposed to
and its not just me (im serious there were some down right crazy mad ppl on nvidias forums) they just shut it all down
i trust www.anandtech.com the most and by NO WAY am saying its there fault but it would have been nice just to drop a clue and say "at the time of this review there are no vista drivers and no xp x64 drivers that work and x86 isnt that hot either) instead of just building it up like its the greatest thing next to
i still love this site (of couse) but dang
that was $500.00 i just spent on this paper weight

PUNCTUATION!!
Bloody hell, through four posts, you haven't had a point, both in the sense of a worthy idea nor a damn period.

Why are you so surprised that a brand new video card doesn't have drivers for an OS that isn't out yet, or Windows x64. Your belief that "almost anyone who has highend hardware is running xp x64" gives amazing insight as to why you were suprised, however...

QFT. The punctuation. I don't understand why he can't fix something so simple.

as to Genx87's comment on WinXP 64 being a bastard child, too funny! And I agree.

ha well you did get me on that one
my spelling and grammar is horrific

for real i get told that everywhere
ive calmed down a bit (im sure some of you that have 8800s are frustrated like me)
i still love anandtech my favorite site for reviews (and alot of other ppls favorite site too from the looks of posts count in this form (think it said almost 80,000)
we all know nvidia rocks too but dang i sure wish i would have heard something on this
i wish i had a video camera or was using fraps on the nvidia forums (would have made some nice myspace clips
well i just wanted to get the word out that nvidia isnt being very kind to its new 8800 customers they closed the forums and there customer feed back site (they really were getting flooded with some pretty harsh posts) but i think they deserved it a little bit because they have become knows as a great dev team that releases great drivers on a regular basis
i just naturally thought if it was a DX10 card that there would be support for it either in vista RTM (look at the nforce platform drivers all the way through the vista RC series for both x86 and x64 (on nvidia beta site it says dont dload the driver cause there is a more current one in each RC of vista for both x86 and x64
thought it would be same for graphics card

 

[Rubycon]

Well yes I for one would like stable 64 bit drivers.

Some of us do have a need for higher memory addressability.