Bohemian Grove

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What's up w\ this place?

From what I've raid people like George HW Bush, GWB, Newt Gingrich, Richard Nixon and countless other high government officials gather here. There are reports that they bring male prostitutes and run around naked and warship some sort of pagan god...

Some guy admits to being a member, and then gets extremely defensive when asked about some ritual performed there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHFoUZEjuNM&feature=player_embedded#!

Newt Gingrich plays off being asked about his attendance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpiLARg87FU


These photos are reportedly from a sort of year book they have about the place.

 

[monovillage]

What's up w\ this place?

From what I've raid people like George HW Bush, GWB, Newt Gingrich, Richard Nixon and countless other high government officials gather here. There are reports that they bring male prostitutes and run around naked and warship some sort of pagan god................

It's about raids and warships...... duh!

 

[airdata]

It's about raids and warships...... duh!

Tin foil hat aside, there's something to be said about a secretive place where people meet and do strange activities and then deny being at such a place.

Especially when they're the people who ultimately end up running the country.

 

[davmat787]

The grove is not just for right wing politicians by any means. There have been former German prime ministers, many members from industry, entertainers, etc.

There was a show recently on H2 called Decoded, and the subject matter was the Bohemian Grove. They also talk to someone who has snuck in and filmed ceremony. Good for a high level view I suppose if you don't know much about the grove.

 

[davmat787]

Tin foil hat aside, there's something to be said about a secretive place where people meet and do strange activities and then deny being at such a place.

Especially when they're the people who ultimately end up running the country.

You do know they are drunk the whole time and put on plays? Plays where men have to dress in drag to portray women characters, since no womenz are allowed? And they have like a 40 foot stone owl that talks and fireworks and stuff?

 

[Steeplerot]

They go there to get drunk and laugh at all the little people they are screwing. The conspiracy nuts who talk so much about the tradition just probably make it all the more hilarious to them, like some fraternity inside joke, super powerful folks like this get where they are by having a good level of arrogance. /shrug

 

[Fern]

I've read some mighty weird stuff about that place. Back when Hunter S. Thompson committed suicide there was a lot of talk that it was instead a murder because he was going to do an expose on the place. Also a lot of weird stuff about child sex slave rings etc. involved.

Fern

 

[kylebisme]

Where did you see that? I saw a different explanation of what happened to Hunter S. Thompson from The Globe & Mail:

Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think..."

As for child sex slave rings among the establishment, see here:

Conspiracy Of Silence, an unfinished documentary which was in the works for the Discovery Channel before the production got shut down back in 1993, has much more info on that.

 

[Hugo Drax]

We need Shane Smith to go down there and investigate.

 

[cybrsage]

They also have to wear large hats and pig snouts on their noses...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Where did you see that? I saw a different explanation of what happened to Hunter S. Thompson from The Globe & Mail:

How typical of the misleading BS that truthers like yourself constantly employ. Only tell a tiny portion of the "facts" that align with your nearly religious beliefs and omit anything and everything else that directly negates it.

Here's the entirety of the Paul William Roberts obituary:

http://www.911oz.com/links/hunter_thompson

The important part that you ommitted is bolded:

Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."


That's how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn't what killed him. He exercised his own option to do that. As he said to more than one person, "I would feel real trapped in this life if I didn't know I could commit suicide at any time."

Good job on demonstrating just how deceptive you conspiracy nutjobs are.

/golf clap

 

[kylebisme]

What do you consider so important about Roberts's opinion of how "a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin" and his declaration of faith that there was no foul play in Thompson's death?

 

[JSt0rm]

See mods. Without p&n where would this thread go?

You hate us but you need us.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

What do you consider so important about Roberts's opinion of how "a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin" and his declaration of faith that there was no foul play in Thompson's death?

It's not important at all. I was pointing out that you obviously failed to read the entire thing, saw a snippet that you took as an "a different explanation of what happened to Hunter S. Thompson ," and jumped on it because you believed it confirmed your existing paranoid biases about government and conspiracies.

I was simply showing how conspiracy nutjobs display a lack of critical thinking and fail to fully search for actual facts.

 

[kylebisme]

It's not important at all.

That's what I've thought about that part since I'd first read the article, back when it came out. That's also the actual reason I didn't bother to quote that part of the article here.

 

[Fern]

Where did you see that?
-snip-

Had to think on this one a bit, that was some years ago.

IIRC, it came about when there was that (smallish) scandal about a WH press guy named Jeff Gannon during Bush's term. He wasn't qualified as a journalist and moonlighted as a male prostitute etc. There were all kinds of links to his male escort service website etc.

That prompted a bunch of (conspiracy type) stuff about gay sex rings, child sex rings kidnappings, H Thompson etc.

I googled. This link is a decent example:

(Scroll down to the "Hunter and snuff films" portion.)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannohuntertrublingtale05apr05.shtml

Fern

 

[kylebisme]

Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen such claims before you mentioned them, and Googled around a bit looking for what you might be referring to, but only found vague mentions which didn't name any sources. Anyway, given what you linked, I'm left curious to know of Bonacci's claims were in the public record before Thompson died, as otherwise it seems more likely to be just a connection dreamed up after the fact.

 

[Fern]

If you google "Hunter s. Thompson Bohemian Grove" you'll find stuff. Since it's been so long some sites are down.

I think if you googled "Hunter Thompson Johnny Gosch sex ring" etc, you'll find stuff too.

Might throw in the word "suicide" too.

There is (or at least 'was') a lot of weird stuff out there about his suicide. And a lot of stuff about Thompson and Bohemian Grove.

Personally, I've never heard of any 911 connection until you raised it here.

Fern

 

[woolfe9999]

That's what I've thought about that part since I'd first read the article, back when it came out. That's also the actual reason I didn't bother to quote that part of the article here.

But you did find it "important" to quote the obit's paraphrase of Thompson in spite of the fact that the man's family was in the next room when he shot himself. In spite of the fact that friends and family have repeatedly said that he was depressed for years, principally over his various painful medical conditions. Yeah, his son and grandson are part of a government conspiracy. We know so, because of a hearsay statement in an obit paraphrasing the words of a depressed and emotionally unstable man.

You're either a fool, or anyone listening to you is. Or both.

 

[kylebisme]

But you did find it "important" to quote the obit's paraphrase of Thompson

What are you referring to as paraphrase? I take the words Roberts put in quotes to be actual quotes, as I figure the editors at the Golbe & Mail are educated enough to know better than to put anything but actual quotations between quotation marks. Regardless: yes, when asking for a sources for claims which conflicts with my own understanding of a particular matter, I consider it important to site my own sources.

Yeah, his son and grandson are part of a government conspiracy.

That's a ridiculously foolish leap in logic you made there.

 

[woolfe9999]

What are you referring to as paraphrase? I take the words Roberts put in quotes to be actual quotes, as I figure the editors at the Golbe & Mail are educated enough to know better than to put anything but actual quotations between quotation marks. Regardless: yes, when asking for a sources for claims which conflicts with my own understanding of a particular matter, I consider it important to site my own sources.


That's a ridiculously foolish leap in logic you made there.

It has to be a paraphrase, by definition, because it was quoted from memory.

That aside, you are a fool to even entertain this line of discussion. This was an open and shut suicide. I'm afraid you've been had by a dead man who got the last laugh. The sad part is that you've been had because you want to be had.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

I found this gem on wikipedia:

"The Bohemian Grove, that I attend from time to time—the Easterners and the others come there—but it is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, that San Francisco crowd that goes in there; it's just terrible! I mean I won't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."—President Richard M. Nixon on the Watergate tapes, Bohemian Club member starting in 1953

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Come on spill the beans! Some of you Anandtechers must have some first hand experiences from the Grove. Being as most of us are A listers, millionaire playboys and captains of industry and such

 

[JSt0rm]

Come on spill the beans! Some of you Anandtechers must have some first hand experiences from the Grove. Being as most of us are A listers, millionaire playboys and captains of industry and such

Spidey? Where you at!

 

[kylebisme]

It has to be a paraphrase, by definition, because it was quoted from memory.

How do you figure it was quoted from memory, do you not realize that journalists tend to take notes?

That aside, you are a fool to even entertain this line of discussion.

Fern started the line of discussion, I just added what I'd seen. So why are you only attacking me and not him too?

This was an open and shut suicide.

Hardly, as explained in this New York Post article (link to a blog repost since the NYP no longer has it up and they use a robots.txt which blocks the Wayback Machine):

There were no eyewitnesses to the shooting, only an “earwitness” — Thompson's wife, Anita, who was on the phone with him at the time and who later drank scotch with the corpse. Her account of the incident is inconsistent: She alternately has said that she heard a loud, muffled noise and that she heard nothing but clicking.

The behavior of Juan, who was in the house at the time of the shooting, also was unusual. Pitkin County Deputy Sheriff John Armstrong said that when investigators arrived on the scene they heard shots, but Juan assured them he had merely been firing off a salute to his dead dad. Investigator Joseph DiSalvo also let Juan enter the kitchen alone and drape a scarf over the body.

And in his report, Deputy Ron Ryan noted the semi-automatic Smith & Wesson 645 found next to Thompson's body was in an unusual condition. There was a spent shell casing, but although there were six bullets left in the gun's clip, there was no bullet in the firing chamber, as there should have been under normal circumstances.

Granted, none of that proves foul play, but it does prove that it wasn't the "open and shut" case you claim.

I'm afraid you've been had by a dead man who got the last laugh. The sad part is that you've been had because you want to be had.

I'm not convinced on this matter one way or another, so I can't rightly be labeled as had here. That said, I don't doubt that you are afraid, though obviously for other reasons.