Boeing separates airplane production, design

[dmcowen674]

12-5-2012

http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advi...ane-production-design-175202974--finance.html

Boeing separates airplane production, design



Boeing Co said on Monday it is creating a new division to oversee airplane development, hiving off that function from production as it seeks to ramp up factory output.


The company named Scott Fancher, who heads Boeing's 777 jet program, to lead the new "airplane development" division, which will handle design and flight certification of planes that are currently on the drawing board.

The new structure creates an "airlines programs" unit headed by Pat Shanahan, a senior vice president currently in charge of production. The division will be responsible for the profit and loss of the jet programs in production, and integrating development of new jets into production.


The division of labor "puts a specific leader in charge of future development," said Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel, and allows Shanahan to focus on production.

 

[dmcowen674]

There is no logical reason to split a Company like this.

The financial reason would be to outsource all of the Production to China thus killing off the Union jobs and axing how many thousands of jobs in the U.S.?

 

[pcgeek11]

There is no logical reason to split a Company like this.

There are thousands of reasons to split off as stated: The reason they happen to state is in your post:
" "puts a specific leader in charge of future development," said Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel, and allows Shanahan to focus on production."

The financial reason would be to outsource all of the Production to China thus killing off the Union jobs and axing how many thousands of jobs in the U.S.?

This is PURE Speculation on your part. Just to be honest about it. Boeing isn't all Union Jobs anyway. We have a lovely Boeing plant here in SC that has No Union Ties. They are very happy that way.

 

[dmcowen674]

There are thousands of reasons to split off as stated: The reason they happen to state is in your post:
" "puts a specific leader in charge of future development," said Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel, and allows Shanahan to focus on production."



This is PURE Speculation on your part. Just to be honest about it. Boeing isn't all Union Jobs anyway. We have a lovely Boeing plant here in SC that has No Union Ties. They are very happy that way.

I have a bridge for sale for ya too.

 

[michal1980]

lots of large companies do this.

 

[Matt1970]

I have a bridge for sale for ya too.

More like if you believe the crap you are spewing...

 

[Demo24]

Considering how many delays the 787 saw in development, and the couple planes that used some tech from it, is this really a surprise?

 

[Baptismbyfire]

As much as I don't like companies outsourcing jobs to China, I don't think Boeing will be one of them, at least not its production line.

We are talking about a plane here. It is much more complicated to build a plane than to make iPhones or circuit boards. And I don't think any airplane company would want a factory in China in fear of corporate espionage after what has happened with foreign solar panel plants, memory chip plants, and other types of plants investing in China, and having their technology stolen from them with little protection from the Chinese government.

 

[ichy]

There is no logical reason to split a Company like this.

As if an ignorant loudmouth like you would have ANY idea about how to run a company like Boeing.

 

[ichy]

The financial reason would be to outsource all of the Production to China thus killing off the Union jobs and axing how many thousands of jobs in the U.S.?

If you knew anything at all about Boeing (which you don't, because you're an idiot) you'd know that after their experience with the 787 they've decided to outsource LESS work in the future because supply chain management issues turned out to be much more difficult than expected.

 

[Zorba]

Boeing is more than likely just shuffling the deck to appease investors (and maybe customers) after their long and public delays on the 787 and 747-8. Now they can show they made significant structural changes for the 737Max and 777NG programs. Big companies shuffle the deck all the time, it is their solution to all problems.

As for your concerns about outsourcing, at GE Aircraft Engines they combined engineering with production right when they started outsourcing everything they could. Then several years later when they realized outsourcing created a lot of problems and started insourcing, they started splitting many of the engineering groups away from production.

I am sure for the actual engineers this makes about zero difference in their day to day lives.

 

[Zorba]

As much as I don't like companies outsourcing jobs to China, I don't think Boeing will be one of them, at least not its production line.

We are talking about a plane here. It is much more complicated to build a plane than to make iPhones or circuit boards. And I don't think any airplane company would want a factory in China in fear of corporate espionage after what has happened with foreign solar panel plants, memory chip plants, and other types of plants investing in China, and having their technology stolen from them with little protection from the Chinese government.

Airbus actually has an A320 final assembly line in China. The rates from it are very low, IIRC about 2 aircraft a month now moving to 4. But Airbus seems like a shortsighted company that only care about market share today.

But there probably isn't that much China can learn from just the final assembly that they couldn't learn from tearing the plane down. The real technology is in the design and piece part/sub assembly manufacturing.

 

[chucky2]

Might make it easier to sell F-15SE to S. Korea...but I can't believe just that would have driven this.

 

[nehalem256]

It sounds like this is merely an internal reorganization. Wouldn't smart organizations do this occasionally?

 

[halik]

There is no logical reason to split a Company like this.

The financial reason would be to outsource all of the Production to China thus killing off the Union jobs and axing how many thousands of jobs in the U.S.?

Ha no logical reason must be why boeing is doing it.

 

[Jaskalas]

There is no logical reason to split a Company like this.

Could be their production needs to go through bankruptcy to handle rising worker benefits costs, and Boeing doesn't want that turmoil to damage their R&D section.

 

[dmcowen674]

Could be their production needs to go through bankruptcy to handle rising worker benefits costs, and Boeing doesn't want that turmoil to damage their R&D section.

I'm sure they will be shedding what's left of Union jobs no doubt.

Someone was already in here bragging about South Carolina non-union jobs for a fraction of the pay.

 

[Born2bwire]

I'm sure they will be shedding what's left of Union jobs no doubt.

Someone was already in here bragging about South Carolina non-union jobs for a fraction of the pay.

Dave hates everybody that is gainfully employed, successful, and able to afford basic necessities like food and energy.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Dave hates everybody that is gainfully employed, successful, and able to afford basic necessities like food and energy.

Drag everyone down to his level so he can be crowned king

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Dave, would you ever be able to work at a technical position in Boeing? Like a WHITE COLLARED position? Nope. So STFU.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Someone was already in here bragging about South Carolina non-union jobs for a fraction of the pay.

Chances are these non-union worker are making more a year than you do. Hell, I bet my blast media technician (sand blaster) makes more money than you and he's only been with the company for 5 years.

 

[Zorba]

I'm sure they will be shedding what's left of Union jobs no doubt.

Someone was already in here bragging about South Carolina non-union jobs for a fraction of the pay.

That shop was Union when Vought owned them. They voted out the Union when Boeing came to town. Boeing has since added a final assembly line there.

 

[CLite]

Fundamentally a large part of design is the feasability of construction/production. I'd be somewhat concerned that a split like this could lead to the design wing penny-pinching on their end and somewhat ignoring the feasability of construction. Such a scenario could lead to an overall more expensive aircraft due to increased costs of production. Production side could then get blamed even if it was due to a poor design.

I doubt a company as advanced as Boeing would fall into this trap and it's probably just a re-organization for investors such that production will still have as great a place of power in the design as prior to the split.

 

[hal2kilo]

There may be an essence of truth to Daves post. SPEEA members have been threatening a wildcat strike here recently.
For the most part I'm pro union but these guys just don't seem to know when to back off. I have absolutely no simpathy for them as one of the things they are bitching about increased health care contributions. Gee, welcome to the club folks.

 

[werepossum]

Dave, would you ever be able to work at a technical position in Boeing? Like a WHITE COLLARED position? Nope. So STFU.

If memory serves, Dave has indeed worked in a technical white collar position, doing design.