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Boeing puts India market at $35 bn

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Aimster
India is not going to get any F-16s so long as Pakistan is not allowed to get any F-16s. They can request whatever they want. Doesn't mean the U.S is going to give it to them.
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Way back when, Pakistan actually had F-16's going down the line under construction.
The Clinton Administration terminated the deal because of the Pakistni Nuclear Program,
and those aircraft were build as 'White-Tails' - Generic F-16's that could be finished for
whatever 'Other' country that wanted to buy them.

Now there is effort under the Bush-II Administration to restore the purchase & make good
on completion of that sale - at 'Todays' prices, somewhat above the previous price structure.
Hasn't happened yet, and even at that there's still a 5 year backlog before a
customer can receive their first unit. So that would put India, if they wanted to play,
out to a 7, 8, or 9 year backlog before they could get their first vehicle.
They won't wait, and won't pay Euro-Fighter prices. My bet is they'll get Russian planes.
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Pakistan already has about 40 F-16's or so. Right now, the Bush administration is seriously considering giving Pakistan more F-16's.

Yes, India is most likely out of the F-16 shopping list, and likey will choose French of Russian.

Most likely, the Mirage 2000-5 or MiG29-M2 as my previous post states.

Which do you think is the better fighter jet? Which do all of you think is better suited for the Indian Air Force?
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Which do you think is the better fighter jet? Which do all of you think is better suited for the Indian Air Force?

1) Mig

2) Spads & Sopwith Camels

They don't need new stuff to run into the ground with.

Pakistan's F-16's
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Okaay .... I don't get why those vintage fighter planes are up there, but still, ok.

Run into the ground? Like how so many MiG-21's are crashing in India and about 100 or so pilots have lost their lives flying them just for routine training missions?

Well, the MiG-21's are from the 60's, and their design is from the 50's I am sure. India has hundreds of these "flying coffins".

But seriously, Mirage 2000-5, F-16, MiG29-M2, Gripen ..... which is the best of these jets?
 
More activities from Boeing and AirBus

As to the 'Vintage' - I don't think it serves India to involve themselves in an 'Arms Race'
where all players are buying from the U.S. just to keep certain suppliers profits up.
They should just pass and not weapon-up.
They control our Tech Services now anyway.

Mirage 2000-5 - I'm not a fan of French Aircraft.

F-16 Block 60's are better aircraft than we have for ourselves.

MiG 29/M2 Dangerous, fairly sophisticated - incorporates cold-war era technologies that the spys obtained.
It's the most advanced thing that isn't from U.S. technology, still 5 - 10 years
behind the times (F-22 & JSF)

Gripen Swedes don't make a decent meat-ball, don't think their planes are much different.
There's a reason that more countries try to buy U.S. products - besides cost, availability, & performance - over European Designs,
they're just 'plane' better.

You Forgot Poland ! Old design Block 52's offered to Poland out-performed both the Mirage 2000-5 &
the Saab Gripen in evaluation tests, so they're in the backlog to be built.
Won't get their first one until sometime late next year.

If India want's to play 'Bigger Swords', it will have to be from the Russians - price is right, we won't sell to them and Pakistan,
and there would be enough pressure from the US against Europe to stop any Gripen sales from Sweden.
French might try to sell them some, but it's no match for the MiG, or even the 'Old Beater' F-16's.
 
Boeing Awarded $46.5 Million Contract Extension for Minuteman Peacekeeper Sustaining Engineering


(Source: Boeing Co.; issued Feb. 17, 2005)


ST. LOUIS --- Boeing has been awarded a $46.5 million extension of its Minuteman Sustaining Engineering contract to sustain the nation?s intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). The Boeing contract is part of an effort led by Northrop Grumman.

In additional to the Minuteman extension the Peacekeeper contract was also extended for 2005 and is valued at $9.3 million.

?This is the seventh consecutive year that Boeing received a contract extension for these two programs,? said Rick Schankel, Boeing ICBM Prime Director. Boeing won the original sustaining engineering contract for the nation?s 500 Minuteman and 50 Peacekeeper ICBMs as part of the TRW (now Northrop Grumman) team in 1998.

?Since that time, our team, comprised of employees in Utah, California, and various Air Force?s ICBM field locations has worked hand in hand with our customers to ensure these essential national assets are operational, Schankel said. ?The dedication of our employees and the high quality of their work has allowed the team to generate more than $100 million in additional contracts supporting the Air Force and the ICBM fleet this year.?

The Minuteman ICBM was first deployed in the 1960s. The Peacekeeper joined the nuclear arsenal in the 1980s, but is in the process of being retired, as mandated by recent nuclear weapons treaties.

A unit of The Boeing Company, Integrated Defense Systems is one of the world?s largest space and defense businesses. Headquartered in St. Louis , Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $27 billion business. It provides network-centric system solutions to its global military, government and commercial customers.

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While the Minuteman/MX contract award to Boeing looks like a big deal for St. Louis,
there is virtually nothing there that benefits that area.

Boeing through it's acquisition of McDonnell Douglas back in 2000, simply moved the
Headquarters and oversight responsibility to consolidate their Military intrests in one
place - so they could offload any other work or responsibility from their commercial
facilities in Washington and Kansas, and shift their corporate headquarters to Illinois -
where there is Zero - Zip - Nada, assembly work done.
They were virtually gifted a building on the Lake as a Tax Incentive to move there so they could lobby
for their corporate intrests in the back yard of Dessis Hastert, Speaker of the House.

All work done in the ICBM support comes out of Utah and 'Feild Deployment' positions -
thats the silos & shells that house the 'Instant Missle in a Can'.

Military Contracters on site simply support the assigned Military personel there.
Big Bucks for minimal effort to McBoeing's Executive Services.


 
India really doesn't even need any new fighters to fight Pakistan.

In the 1971 war the Indian army crushed the huge and well-equipped Pakistani army in 13 days. The most stunning military defeat of modern times besides the Israeli six day war. I believe this was with old British WASPS. They simply had a better trained and motivated army. This and the fact that Pakistan has been on a steady decline. The CIA says it will be a failed state by around 2015 rife with already rising conflict and ethnic bloodshed.
 
Originally posted by: Proletariat
India really doesn't even need any new fighters to fight Pakistan.

In the 1971 war the Indian army crushed the huge and well-equipped Pakistani army in 13 days. The most stunning military defeat of modern times besides the Israeli six day war. I believe this was with old British WASPS. They simply had a better trained and motivated army. This and the fact that Pakistan has been on a steady decline. The CIA says it will be a failed state by around 2015 rife with already rising conflict and ethnic bloodshed.
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Dude, that was 35 years ago...Both sides have totally new equipment and military people. That's like saying we couldn't defeat Vietnam today b/c we basically couldn't 35 years ago.
 
See ya later Mike

Former Boeing Co. Chief Financial Officer Michael Sears was sentenced on Friday to four months in prison and a $250,000 fine for his role in illegally recruiting a top U.S. Air Force official, reported Reuters. Prosecutors said they were continuing to investigate the case.

<Add-on from Reuters>

Sears, 57, plead guilty on Nov. 15 to aiding and abetting a conflict-of-interest law violation by Darlene Druyun, who was the Air Force's No. 2 weapons buyer. She was sentenced Oct. 1 to nine months in prison after meeting Sears to negotiate a $250,000-a-year Boeing job while still overseeing Boeing deals worth billions with the Air Force.

In court papers this week, McNulty criticized Boeing's highest executives for appearing to treat Sears' illegal effort to hire Druyun as "business as usual." Attorneys tracking the case said this could set the stage for large fines or other actions against the company.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Dude, that was 35 years ago...Both sides have totally new equipment and military people. That's like saying we couldn't defeat Vietnam today b/c we basically couldn't 35 years ago.
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LOL. You will never get it will you? Vietnam was NOT about technology.
 
NASA sets May date for shuttle's first flight since '03 disaster

February 20, 2005

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- NASA set May 15 for the first space shuttle launch since the Columbia disaster two years ago.

While considerable work remains before Discovery's test flight, ''this date feels real good to me,'' launch director Mike Leinbach said.

NASA's top space flight official, former astronaut Bill Readdy, said the biggest challenge is to complete all the paperwork not only for Discovery but also for Atlantis, the shuttle that would attempt a rescue mission in mid-June if there were serious launch damage to Discovery.

Columbia was destroyed during re-entry in February 2003, and all seven astronauts were killed, because the left wing was gashed at liftoff by a chunk of fuel-tank foam insulation. But accident investigators put equal blame on NASA's broken safety culture.

According to survey results released Friday, NASA is making strong progress in changing its safety culture after the breakdown that led to the Columbia tragedy, but many workers are still afraid to speak their minds.

AP

Awesome news. Good luck NASA

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Now go and repair the Hubble!
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: ntdz
Dude, that was 35 years ago...Both sides have totally new equipment and military people. That's like saying we couldn't defeat Vietnam today b/c we basically couldn't 35 years ago.
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LOL. You will never get it will you? Vietnam was NOT about technology.
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Your whole argument nonetheless makes no sense.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Proletariat
India really doesn't even need any new fighters to fight Pakistan.

In the 1971 war the Indian army crushed the huge and well-equipped Pakistani army in 13 days. The most stunning military defeat of modern times besides the Israeli six day war. I believe this was with old British WASPS. They simply had a better trained and motivated army. This and the fact that Pakistan has been on a steady decline. The CIA says it will be a failed state by around 2015 rife with already rising conflict and ethnic bloodshed.
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Dude, that was 35 years ago...Both sides have totally new equipment and military people. That's like saying we couldn't defeat Vietnam today b/c we basically couldn't 35 years ago.
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If a CONVENTIONAL war started right now, it would be over within a few days. Pakistan's army has fallen apart and is fighting insurgencies in 3 of its 4 states. Its army is mostly based on numbers. India on the other hand has been beefing up its technology and numbers. It has lucrative deals with the French, Israeli's, Russians, and now Americans.

It also has a good intelligence network. They have a huge amount of sat. images compiled, some of which were shared with American Special Ops and Army generals during the Afghanistan war. The problem is that any war would most likely be a nuclear war with Pakistan launching nukes first in the face of defeat.
 
Originally posted by: Proletariat
If a CONVENTIONAL war started right now, it would be over within a few days. Pakistan's army has fallen apart and is fighting insurgencies in 3 of its 4 states. Its army is mostly based on numbers. India on the other hand has been beefing up its technology and numbers. It has lucrative deals with the French, Israeli's, Russians, and now Americans.

It also has a good intelligence network. They have a huge amount of sat. images compiled, some of which were shared with American Special Ops and Army generals during the Afghanistan war. The problem is that any war would most likely be a nuclear war with Pakistan launching nukes first in the face of defeat.
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Your making it sound like as if the ground war would be entirely lopsided. That certainly isn't the case even though India is superior to Pakistan in every branch of the military. Remember, the Pakistanis would be fighting from their homeland in a defensive war and will be well dug in. India would win if everything goes right but it won't be over in a few days.

Pakistan has a sizeable armor force and it would just mine a great portion of the land where the action would take place. So the Indians will have to spend time clearing that up. Pakistan has improved its military since the 70's, but so has India.

Overwhelming majority of India's tanks are antiquated and rusting. India has been beefing up its military expenditure in the past few years for upgrades and purchases, mostly fighter jets and fighter jet trainers.
 
Europe's biggest airline plans to buy 70 Boeing 737-800 aircraft with possibility of another 70
Ryanair buys 140 Boeing jets in US$4b deal, creates 2,500 jobs
Indian carriers to gain from Boeing jetliners
Boeing Gets A Huge Order In Europe

With recent sale of Boeing plants in Wichita and now a huge order from Europe and Asia, things are looking better for Boeing. I believe Boeing is also getting orders to work on the F/A-18's

Britain, France and Germany force Poland to buy Airbus!

I wonder where else these Europeans force Airbus down the throat of potential customers.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Ryanair seems to have a rather strange short history

About Ryanair

Around for 20 years, but IPO's in '97 - lots of 'other' airlines died in that timeframe.
It's like a Euro-Version of SouthWestern, a flying cattle car type of carrier.
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Ryanair has grown tremendously and I'm really surprised it's really Europe's biggest airline in terms of passengers. Oh and Southwestern is pretty good, the rates are the same for almost all destinations I believe. I think Southwestern is doing better than JetBlue lately.
 
Boeing?s Newest Fighter Aircraft Makes First Flight


(Source: Boeing Co.; issued March 3, 2005)


ST. LOUIS --- The Boeing Company's reputation for delivering the most lethal fighter aircraft to militaries around the world continued today when their newest fighter aircraft, the F-15K Strike Eagle, made its first flight in St. Louis.

Flown by Boeing Chief F-15 Test Pilot Joe Felock and Chief Weapons Systems Officer Rick Junkin, the F-15K completed an aggressive speed run easily surpassing Mach 2, accomplished both engine shut-downs and restarts, and breezed through instrument and avionics checks of primary backup systems.

"The F-15K flew magnificently," said Felock. "With its new technology and the reliable structure of the Eagle, it will become a dominant multi-role fighter. Korean fighter pilots will love this airplane."

The Republic of Korea (ROKAF) selected the F-15K Strike Eagle for its Next Generation Fighter Program in 2002. Under a $3.6 billion contract, Boeing will deliver 40 aircraft to the ROKAF beginning this year and ending in August 2008.

"The F-15K's first flight was a great success, allowing us to move forward with the program," said Steve Winkler, Boeing F-15K program manager. "We couldn't have made this first flight early without tremendous support and teamwork from the ROKAF, the U.S. Air Force, and our suppliers. We're looking forward to the F-15K rollout ceremony on March 16 in St. Louis."

An advanced derivative of the U.S. Air Force F-15E, the F-15K is the world's most capable long-range, multi-role fighter. It can perform air-to-ground, air-to-air, and air-to-sea missions during the day or at night, in virtually any weather. It can carry more than 23,000 pounds of payload, reach Mach 2.5, and incorporates the latest military technologies.

These include the APG-63(V)1 radar, a helmet-mounted cueing system, infrared search and track, third-generation navigation and targeting systems, and weapons-control systems supporting advanced weapons such as the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM), Harpoon Block II, Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response (SLAM-ER), Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) and AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.

A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is one of the world's largest space and defense businesses. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $30.5 billion business. It provides network-centric system solutions to its global military, government, and commercial customers. It is a leading provider of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance systems; the world's largest military aircraft manufacturer; the world's largest satellite manufacturer and a leading provider of space-based communications; the primary systems integrator for U.S. missile defense and Department of Homeland Security; NASA's largest contractor; and a global leader in sustainment solutions and launch services.

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CHICAGO, IL. BOEING (NYSE: BA) today announced that the Office of President, CEO and Chairman will be outsourced as of October 31, the end of the fiscal year. The move is being made to save $45 million in annual salary and benefits. Further savings in air travel are expected to add To Boeing's bottom line.
"At the end of the day, the cost savings will be quite significant"
says Boeing board member, Executive VicePresident, and CFO Rob Highwayman, who, with the aid of Boeing's outsourcing arm, Boeing Services, has studied outsourcing extensively. "We simply can no longer afford this inefficiency and remain competitive in the world stage," Highwayman said.
Sanji Nahasapeemapartilan, 23, of Indus Teleservices, Mumbai, India, will be assuming the Office of President, Chairman and CEO as of October 31. He will receive a salary of $320 USD a month with proportionate benefits. Mr. Nahasapeemapartilan will maintain his office in India and will be working primarily at night, due to the time difference between the US and India.
"I am excited to serve in this position," Mr. Nahasapeemapartilan stated in an exclusive interview. "I always knew that my career at the Boeing call center would lead to great things."
A Boeing spokesperson noted that Mr. Nahasapeemapartilan has extensive experience in public speaking and has been given Mr. Stonecipher's Script Tree to enable him to answer any question without having to understand the issue.
Mr. Stonecipher, 68, has announced that he will join the faculty of the Stanford School of Business, specializing in medieval business and the related subject of employee motivation. No one at the Stanford School of Business was available for comment.
The Boeing board continues to explore other outsourcing possibilities including Boeing's more than 1,200 vice presidents.
In an unrelated news item it was learned that Boeing was selling five corporate jets complete with passengers thought to be board members and Boeing executives. While the value of the content was not thought to be significant it is believed that their accumulated air-miles could be used to facilitate additional outsourcing initiatives.
Boeing employees were in a somber mood after the announcement. Company announced that counselors will be available all week to help employees get through the difficult time.
 
If one can outsource upper management, then the board needs to look at are all those positions still needed.
 
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