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skyking said:
I fly a 65 year old airplane, it can be done. We have to look at every damn thing on it.
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All the hype about the 21st century when I was growing up and we are here and we don't have planes that TELL US that there's something wrong in this and this part of theirs. We humans are useless!
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
No, but I'm a private owner of a personal vehicle. If I personally owned a 747 and maintained it and the shit exploded midair, I wouldn't expect to blame Boeing for it.

If I took my vehicle to a Ford certified mechanic and their complete incompetence led to the destruction of my engine, I would definitely put blame on Ford as well because it's 'Ford certified'. They're claiming responsibility for the capabilities of that mechanic through their certification mechanisms.

For an aircraft, I'd expect every major airport is 'Boeing certified' and I'd expect them to take some responsibility for their work. An airport isn't the place I'd expect the equivalent of a shade tree mechanic, precisely because I'd expect the aircraft mfgs to take some responsibility for their name brand once sold to an airline. Precisely because when you're an aircraft mfg that ends up in the news, your brand suffers, and that can lead to decades of losses and govt handouts.

I understand that airline mechanics can fab square aluminum panels and whatnot, that's simple shit and should fall under the umbrella of body work that a certified shop can handle. Third party parts though? You're giving me even more reasons to never get on a plane again. Fuck that noise.
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United Airlines does not outsource their maintenance to Boeing. They buy the planes just like you buy a car and they maintain them and operate them per their operational specifications and their maintenance plan.

Boeing doesn't certify any shops like Ford would. Boeing does have some rapid response teams, but they generally do very expensive, very complex repairs.

You can look up Owner Operator parts and Part Manufacturer Approval (PMA) parts they are definitely allowed and more complex than simple sheet metal parts.
 
My aircraft partner retired from there and did AOG (aircraft on the ground) support on the 37, 57 airframes, specifically the airpack systems and cabin pressurization systems.
Boeing provides a tremendous support for customers but that was not him doing the work, it was him troubleshooting and assisting in figuring out difficult to solve issues. Ultimately the airline's mechanics fixed it all.
 
skyking said:
My aircraft partner retired from there and did AOG (aircraft on the ground) support on the 37, 57 airframes, specifically the airpack systems and cabin pressurization systems.
Boeing provides a tremendous support for customers but that was not him doing the work, it was him troubleshooting and assisting in figuring out difficult to solve issues. Ultimately the airline's mechanics fixed it all.
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They provide a lot of different types of support. The AOG teams can do both the touch labor and/or provide troubleshooting, training, and general assistance. I've worked with the AOG teams in each of those capacities. The times I've personally been around them doing the touch labor is when the airline had done something very stupid that caused major structural damage and they wanted some CYA for the repairs. Also seen a

Then of course there is the broader commercial aircraft support, that provides remote technical support.
 
Texas AG uses Boeing problems to be a racist piece of shit.

Texas attorney general investigating Spirit AeroSystems, asking about diversity

The Texas attorney general has opened an investigation into a key Boeing supplier that is already facing scrutiny from federal regulators over the quality of parts it provides to the aircraft maker.
www.kwch.com www.kwch.com

From the piece:

The request goes into detail in seeking internal discussions around Spirit’s efforts to create a diverse workforce “and whether those commitments are unlawful or are compromising the company’s manufacturing processes.” Paxton asked for a breakdown of Spirit’s workforce by race, sexual orientation and other factors, and whether the makeup has changed over time
 
brycejones said:
Texas AG uses Boeing problems to be a racist piece of shit.

Texas attorney general investigating Spirit AeroSystems, asking about diversity

The Texas attorney general has opened an investigation into a key Boeing supplier that is already facing scrutiny from federal regulators over the quality of parts it provides to the aircraft maker.
www.kwch.com www.kwch.com

From the piece:

The request goes into detail in seeking internal discussions around Spirit’s efforts to create a diverse workforce “and whether those commitments are unlawful or are compromising the company’s manufacturing processes.” Paxton asked for a breakdown of Spirit’s workforce by race, sexual orientation and other factors, and whether the makeup has changed over time
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Like we needed any more proof of his assholery.
 
brycejones said:
Texas AG uses Boeing problems to be a racist piece of shit.

Texas attorney general investigating Spirit AeroSystems, asking about diversity

The Texas attorney general has opened an investigation into a key Boeing supplier that is already facing scrutiny from federal regulators over the quality of parts it provides to the aircraft maker.
www.kwch.com www.kwch.com

From the piece:

The request goes into detail in seeking internal discussions around Spirit’s efforts to create a diverse workforce “and whether those commitments are unlawful or are compromising the company’s manufacturing processes.” Paxton asked for a breakdown of Spirit’s workforce by race, sexual orientation and other factors, and whether the makeup has changed over time
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WTF does Texas even have to do with any of this? Spirit doesn't operate in Texas as far as I know, the part in question was built in Wichita, KS. The aircraft was operated by a Washington based operator and flying out of an Oregon airport. Boeing is also based in Delaware, IIRC.

I know these politicians know this, but the only reason any major company cares about diversity of their workforce is because it helps depress wages, just by simple supply and demand. This is why I massively support getting more women into engineering, I just think for ever woman that enters engineering school a boy should be rejected 😉.
 
brycejones said:
Texas AG uses Boeing problems to be a racist piece of shit.

Texas attorney general investigating Spirit AeroSystems, asking about diversity

The Texas attorney general has opened an investigation into a key Boeing supplier that is already facing scrutiny from federal regulators over the quality of parts it provides to the aircraft maker.
www.kwch.com www.kwch.com

From the piece:

The request goes into detail in seeking internal discussions around Spirit’s efforts to create a diverse workforce “and whether those commitments are unlawful or are compromising the company’s manufacturing processes.” Paxton asked for a breakdown of Spirit’s workforce by race, sexual orientation and other factors, and whether the makeup has changed over time
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why the fuck is the texas AG investigating a kansas-based company? not that it stopped him from requesting hospital records in washington state (or was it oregon?) to persecute trans people
 
Zorba said:
WTF does Texas even have to do with any of this? Spirit doesn't operate in Texas as far as I know, the part in question was built in Wichita, KS. The aircraft was operated by a Washington based operator and flying out of an Oregon airport. Boeing is also based in Delaware, IIRC.

I know these politicians know this, but the only reason any major company cares about diversity of their workforce is because it helps depress wages, just by simple supply and demand. This is why I massively support getting more women into engineering, I just think for ever woman that enters engineering school a boy should be rejected 😉.
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Fenixgoon said:
why the fuck is the texas AG investigating a kansas-based company? not that it stopped him from requesting hospital records in washington state (or was it oregon?) to persecute trans people
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Because TX thinks they have standing over everything. And they never suffer any consequences for playing these fucking games either.

All while openly talking about exiting the union.

brycejones said:
How the fuck is he still in office after being impeached by the not exactly liberal Texas House?
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Because they failed to convict. Also, fun fact, he's still under federal indictment. Has been for like 8+ years now.
 
Boeing execs admit boosting "shareholder value" had some side effects.

tech.slashdot.org

Report: Boeing 'Put Wall Street First, Safety Second', Creating 'Yearslong Decline of Safety Standards' - Slashdot

The Seattle Times has a Pulitzer Prize-winning aerospace journalist named Dominic Gates. Sunday he published an expose on "a yearslong decline of safety standards" at Boeing. After a 1997 merger, its new executive leaders "treated experienced engineers and machinists as expendable, ignoring...
tech.slashdot.org
 
manly said:
Boeing execs admit boosting "shareholder value" had some side effects.

tech.slashdot.org

Report: Boeing 'Put Wall Street First, Safety Second', Creating 'Yearslong Decline of Safety Standards' - Slashdot

The Seattle Times has a Pulitzer Prize-winning aerospace journalist named Dominic Gates. Sunday he published an expose on "a yearslong decline of safety standards" at Boeing. After a 1997 merger, its new executive leaders "treated experienced engineers and machinists as expendable, ignoring...
tech.slashdot.org
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Shocked. Well, not that shocked...
 
DEI is the latest boogeyman buzzword meant to work up the sheeple into a foaming at the mouth frenzy while Wall Street corporate raiders aka “shareholders” continue to cut corners and extract every ounce of value from American manufacturing while blaming “others”. Unfortunately, most blue collar workers (conservatives and blue-state union workers alike) are just too happy to kick that football when Lucy’s holding—they never learn.
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Pardon us, so terribly sorry to trouble you, but per chance, might you have happened to have seen our exit slide?

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Oh FFS. FROM YOUR LINKED ARTICLE:

The 33-year old plane, registration number N176DN, has previously had engine problems, a cracked windshield, smoke in the cockpit and suffered a bird strike.

Not really material to the subject of this thread which is about current quality issues at Boeing.
 
brycejones said:
Oh FFS. FROM YOUR LINKED ARTICLE:

The 33-year old plane, registration number N176DN, has previously had engine problems, a cracked windshield, smoke in the cockpit and suffered a bird strike.

Not really material to the subject of this thread which is about current quality issues at Boeing.
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It sort of is, in that none of those issues over 33 years ever made the plane kill everyone on board, unlike certain current Boeing models have done.
 
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