Bobby Jindal: Birth Control Should Be Over-The-Counter

[lopri]

Who said there was an instantaneous requirement?

Who said anything about instantaneous requirement? 😕 My question was who has the standing to sue.

But don't bother. It was my mistake to post in this thread. Please ignore whatever I posted and have a constructive conversation with Nehalem256. He seems to have an idea as to legal standings.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Who said anything about instantaneous requirement? 😕 My question was who has the standing to sue.

But don't bother. It was my mistake to post in this thread. Please ignore whatever I posted and have a constructive conversation with Nehalem256. He seems to have an idea as to legal standings.

I'm saying that if someone takes a well labeled medication without due diligence and their child suffers a harmful mutation then that child should be able to sue the mother at any time.

 

[MovingTarget]

The church loves to make a big hoopla over certain issues (gay marriage for example) while conveniently forgetting that the vast majority of their members ignore their rules on birth control as well. It's far safer to rail against a "sin" that only a tiny portion of Catholics are guilty of than it is to alienate vast swaths of the people who pay the church's bills.

I'm afraid that it is bigger than that. The clergy tends to forget that we are the church too. The powers that be seem to want to roll back the Vatican II reforms and go back to a much more imperial/hierarchical structure. 🙁

 

[HomerJS]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...th-control_n_2300461.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Bobby Jindal: Birth Control Should Be Over-The-Counter

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), whose name is often mentioned as a potential 2016 presidential candidate, penned an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday that calls for contraception to be made available over-the-counter.

If women could buy birth control without a prescription, he argues, employers would not have to pay for it against their moral objections, and Democrats could no longer accuse Republicans of being anti-birth control.

As a conservative Republican, I believe that we have been stupid to let the Democrats demagogue the contraceptives issue and pretend, during debates about health-care insurance, that Republicans are somehow against birth control. It's a disingenuous political argument they make.
As an unapologetic pro-life Republican, I also believe that every adult (18 years old and over) who wants contraception should be able to purchase it. But anyone who has a religious objection to contraception should not be forced by government health-care edicts to purchase it for others


The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recently came to the same conclusion: that birth control is safe enough that it should not require a prescription. However, making contraception available over the counter would require women to pay for it out of pocket, whereas the Affordable Care Act currently requires that it be covered under most insurance plans with no co-pay.



I'm pretty surprised at this. The religious right will get their payback when Jindal runs for the Republican nomination in 2016

employers don't pay for it

 

[ichy]

The clergy tends to forget that we are the church too.

The Catholic church is not a democracy.

 

[nehalem256]

employers don't pay for it

😵 Are you willfully stupid?

Health insurance is required by the ACA to provide BC for "free".

If an an employer provides health insurance how is it not paying for BC?

 

[ichy]

All this whining about people being forced to pay for something that they have a "moral objection" to is a load of crap. Plenty of people had a moral objection to the Iraq war but they still had to pay taxes to support it. If you look at statistics on contraception use the number of people who honestly have a moral problem with birth control are very, very small. A tiny shrill minority shouldn't be allowed to dominate the debate this way.

 

[dank69]

There was a recent brand of birth control with flashy advertising that suggested that besides being a new improved birth control pill that it also improved a woman's quality of life.

It was called Yaz
http://www.youhavealawyer.com/yaz/?...tion&utm_content=14619313571&utm_campaign=Yaz

Here is one ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bB-rmsD-rc

I came in here to post this. You have to remember though, godless sluts that choose to use birth control deserve every bit of suffering that comes to them as a result of its use.

 

[nehalem256]

All this whining about people being forced to pay for something that they have a "moral objection" to is a load of crap. Plenty of people had a moral objection to the Iraq war but they still had to pay taxes to support it.

And they *gasp* still whined about the Iraq War. Are you saying that all the Democrats who whined about the Iraq War were in the wrong.

If you look at statistics on contraception use the number of people who honestly have a moral problem with birth control are very, very small. A tiny shrill minority shouldn't be allowed to dominate the debate this way.

And a lot more people have an issue with paying for other people's sex lives.

Aren't democrats the ones who are saying that the government should not be involved in people's sex lives?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Is this news? I thought the argument was over whether medicaid should cover birth control and whether religious pharmacists/etc have the right to not sell contraceptives. I'm sure there's a few Republican crazies that think all birth control is the devil, but overall Jindal is strongly on the right-wing side of things here.

Basically this. The VAST majority of conservatives have no issue with BC. The issue they took during the campaign was to the shameless pandering that the dems used to capture the young single woman vote. Women have the right to BC, the exception taken was that it had to be provided for free - even by groups that found it morally objectionable, forcing them to violate their convictions.

I agree with Jindal on this, as would most reps, I believe. The pill is allegedly available for $9/month at Wally-world; that's not gonna make anyone starve. The dangers of the pill are well known and have been the same dangers for over 40 years. A compromise on this could be that women need to read and sign a waiver to buy them otc.

 

[dank69]

Basically this. The VAST majority of conservatives have no issue with BC. The issue they took during the campaign was to the shameless pandering that the dems used to capture the young single woman vote. Women have the right to BC, the exception taken was that it had to be provided for free - even by groups that found it morally objectionable, forcing them to violate their convictions.

I agree with Jindal on this, as would most reps, I believe. The pill is allegedly available for $9/month at Wally-world; that's not gonna make anyone starve. The dangers of the pill are well known and have been the same dangers for over 40 years. A compromise on this could be that women need to read and sign a waiver to buy them otc.

Isn't that $9 after insurance?

 

[ichy]

Basically this. The VAST majority of conservatives have no issue with BC. The issue they took during the campaign was to the shameless pandering that the dems used to capture the young single woman vote.

I agree that the whole "Republican War on Women" line was horseshit, but GOP set themselves up for that through their own pandering to the most extreme and fanatical elements of the religious right. People who honestly believe that birth control is wrong are a tiny fringe, the 1% of religious extremism. If the GOP didn't kiss up to those nuts then the Dems own pandering would have been much more difficult.

 

[HomerJS]

I agree that the whole "Republican War on Women" line was horseshit, but GOP set themselves up for that through their own pandering to the most extreme and fanatical elements of the religious right. People who honestly believe that birth control is wrong are a tiny fringe, the 1% of religious extremism. If the GOP didn't kiss up to those nuts then the Dems own pandering would have been much more difficult.

Tell that to the women in Va who were forced by the state to have probes shoved up their vaginas.

 

[HomerJS]

😵 Are you willfully stupid?

Health insurance is required by the ACA to provide BC for "free".

If an an employer provides health insurance how is it not paying for BC?

An insurance company providing free birth control is part of the cost of doing business. They are happy to do because the cost is less vs unwanted pregnancies.

 

[ElFenix]

😵 Are you willfully stupid?

Health insurance is required by the ACA to provide BC for "free".

If an an employer provides health insurance how is it not paying for BC?

from an economic standpoint, the vast majority of employees pay for their own benefits (in reduced pay, reduced hiring, etc.), regardless of who signs the check transferring the funds. and that's really all we should concern ourselves with.

 

[nehalem256]

An insurance company providing free birth control is part of the cost of doing business. They are happy to do because the cost is less vs unwanted pregnancies.

And so why was this law necessary? Why have liberals spent years complaining that Viagra was covered, but BC was not?

Do insurance companies hate making money?

Tell that to the women in Va who were forced by the state to have probes shoved up their vaginas.

No women were forced to have probes shoved into their bodies. They elected to have it done.

Isn't that $9 after insurance?

$9/month without insurance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Isn't that $9 after insurance?

What did you think was the minimum cost?

 

[MovingTarget]

The Catholic church is not a democracy.

Never claimed that it was. However, that does not mean that the laity does not have a role and legitimate authority in its own right. The laity cannot be ignored. Vatican II affirmed that role. Now, many in the clergy want to 'reform the reform' to return to that old imperial thinking that dominated the church for so long.

 

[techs]

I agree that the whole "Republican War on Women" line was horseshit, but GOP set themselves up for that through their own pandering to the most extreme and fanatical elements of the religious right. People who honestly believe that birth control is wrong are a tiny fringe, the 1% of religious extremism. If the GOP didn't kiss up to those nuts then the Dems own pandering would have been much more difficult.

Tell that to the women in Va who were forced by the state to have probes shoved up their vaginas.

I disagree vehemtly. Call it what you want but the Republicans, whose base is hugely male, have been putting forth ideas that basically say to men that they are going to limit things that benefit women. From the family leave act, to equal pay, to access to health care, the list is enormous.

The amount of people who would limit the availablity to birth control is not one percent. I can't tell the exact number but it is safe to say that 25 percent of the country would vote for it, and probably 95 percent of those are Republican. Just look at the laws to teach abstinence only. Despite it being a failed idea it gets enough support to reach 30-40 percent of people and over 50 percent in some areas of the country. This reflects the idea that people really do want to stop people from screwing, outside of marriage.

The idea of sticking what is essentially a dildo in a woman who wants an abortion is an example of how these people see women.

Republicans can try and hide behind their ideology and say its because we want smaller government or because we hate abortion, but all their solutions involve punishing women.

 

[ichy]

Never claimed that it was. However, that does not mean that the laity does not have a role and legitimate authority in its own right. The laity cannot be ignored. Vatican II affirmed that role. Now, many in the clergy want to 'reform the reform' to return to that old imperial thinking that dominated the church for so long.

Sure it can be! Obviously the vast majority of Catholics are ok with birth control, yet the church continues to say it's a mortal sin. Sounds to me like the laity is being ignored and they're ok with it.

 

[piasabird]

Ya you need a $60 copay to buy $10 in birth control drugs. That makes perfect sense to me.

 

[HomerJS]

And so why was this law necessary? Why have liberals spent years complaining that Viagra was covered, but BC was not?

Do insurance companies hate making money?



No women were forced to have probes shoved into their bodies. They elected to have it done.



$9/month without insurance.

No they didn't. The state of Virginia made it a requirement followed by a waiting period before obtaining an abortion. They recanted when the outcry of war on women became deafaning.

 

[nehalem256]

I disagree vehemtly. Call it what you want but the Republicans, whose base is hugely male, have been putting forth ideas that basically say to men that they are going to limit things that benefit women. From the family leave act, to equal pay, to access to health care, the list is enormous.

Why don't you just be honest at least. Republicans oppose ideas that make men pay for things that benefit women.

Funny how women are all about independence from men until the check comes.

 

[nehalem256]

No they didn't. The state of Virginia made it a requirement followed by a waiting period before obtaining an abortion.

So you concede that no woman would have been forced to have things inserted into her body. It would have been her choice.

 

[HomerJS]

So you concede that no woman would have been forced to have things inserted into her body. It would have been her choice.

You do know consent by coersion or under duress is illegal?