That's fine. The problem is Fischer isn't willing to own up and accept the consequences of breaking the law. I kind of take offense to the master/slave insinuation. I am my own person but I obey the laws of my chosen society to the best of my ability. I fail to see how that makes me a slave or a drone.
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That's fine. The problem is Fischer isn't willing to own up and accept the consequences of breaking the law. I kind of take offense to the master/slave insinuation. I am my own person but I obey the laws of my chosen society to the best of my ability. I fail to see how that makes me a slave or a drone.
He broke an embargo and gave cause to the enemy. That chess game brought a lot of publicity and likely made a lot of people the US was trying to punish wealthy. He undermined US foreign policy by doing so. Like I said, if he wanted to play chess there so bad he should have surrendered his passport BEFORE he went and there wouldn't be issues. He broke the law regardless of how stupid that law is and is going to pay for it no matter how much he whines about it.
There are legitimate ways to protest american policies you don't like and civil disobidience is one of them but if you practice it you must be prepared for the consequences that will be handed down. Fisher is quite simply a whiney little b!tch.
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Republicans think it will take out Castro, but after 40 years it hasn't done anything of merrit, except make certain cuban-americans and conservatives very rich.
The same neo-cons still don't think that the embargo is enough, seems punishing other countries for dealing with Cuba is the smart approach *cough*Helms-Burton*cough*.
They don't realize that positive change could happen in Cuba if they lifted the embargo and set up normal trade relations.
Dudes, its not 1963 any more. The cold war is over.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
yea heres the full quote
on Sept. 11:
"This is all wonderful news. It is time to finish off the US once and for all. I was happy and could not believe what was happening. All the crimes the US has committed in the world. This just shows, what goes around comes around, even to the US.
I applaud the act. The US and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians for years. Now it is coming back at the US."
yes third person
"Bobby Fischer does not wish to return to the Jew-controlled USA where he faces a kangaroo court and 10 years in Federal prison and a likely early demise or worse on trumped political charges. Nor does he wish to remain in a hostile brutal and corrupt U.S.-controlled Japan."
categorizes his enemies as "Jews, secret Jews, or CIA rats who work for the Jews."
In his first interview on Filipino radio of January 14, 1999, Bobby said, ?You know they [Jews] invented the Holocaust story. There?s no such. There was no Holocaust of the Jews in World War II.? When asked what he wished to do with the remainder of his life, he answered ?[T]o expose the Jews for the criminals they are, the parasites they are, the liars they are, the thieves they are, the ******s they are .... Jews were always bastards throughout history. They are liars, they are the worst pieces of **** in the world. They mutilate their own children.? As for the United States, it is ?a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed, circumcised Jew bastards.?
In a fourth interview on Filipino radio of March 10, 1999, Bobby warmed to the theme of Jewish ritual murder: ?[P]eople don?t know this but it?s absolute fact Jews murder Christian children for their blood and they?re doing it even today they kill the kids ritually they drain the blood out of the children while they?re still alive ... just like they kill animals ... they do the most terrible tortures on like the boys they circumcise the boy?s they?ll put a crown of thorns on his head and then blindfold him slap him in the face all mocking the sufferings of Christ and after they take all the blood of the child and he dies they use this blood for their black magic ceremonies one of the things they do with his blood is they mix it into this Passover bread ... they eat it ... when they celebrate the Passover they?re eating the children?s human blood.?
http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/En...rticles/2-3.php
there are plenty more😛
Keep in mind that he's Jewish, too. Even if he wasn't and he said these things he'd be considered wacked, but the fact that he is and he says these things, well, he's out there. Being crazy and hating other people is bad, being crazy and hating other people including your own people is even worse.
imported_Hi
Platinum Member
You dont get it
At the time Yugoslavia was a unsafe country
what if at the time he was there people captured him and demanded ransom from US
SeminoleMarine
Senior member
Republicans??? RIIGGHHTTT!!!!
Because the eight years Clinton was in office the embargo was lifted, the Cuban people were trading with us left and right, they were wealthy, they were allowed to come and go as they please, everything was right with the world.
Republicans........rrrriiiiggghhhhtttt.
P.S. I disagree with the embargo, but blaming it all on the Republicans is a$$inine.
lol, I hope that was a joke.
If not, it's you who doesn't get it. The US never pays ransom money. And even if they did, they wouldn't pay it for him. They'd probably pay someone to kidnap him.
But this has nothing to do with the real reason. It has everything to do about trade laws and embargos.
SeminoleMarine
Senior member
That's fine, just don't bit@h when you are arrested for breaking that law. No matter how ludicrous they may seem, there are still consequences to breaking them. You may not like them, but they are there none-the-less. I hate the stupid seatbelt law, but guess what, if I am caught not wearing it I get fined. Can I bit@h and moan and cry???? NO. I have to pay the fine and move on.
Double Trouble
Elite Member
Fischer is definitely a nutcase. I can understand that he would be punished for breaking the law if he comes to the US, but I think it's a total waste of time and resources for the US government to keep trying to get him back just to try and lock him up after all this time. Obviously, at this point it's a matter of spite and ego. Leave the man be already, he just played a chess match. Sheesh.
SeminoleMarine
Senior member
I don't know where you live, but where I am it is not up to a vote. It is mandatory and the state decided it was for our own good. Meanwhile the motorcyclists get to ride around with no helmet. Figure that one out.
SeminoleMarine
Senior member
Agreed. As long as he stays out of the U.S. leave him be. Spend that time and money to bring back the head of Bin Laden.
Double Trouble
Elite Member
No doubt Fischer broke the law, and should he come back to the US, he should be punished (but no more so than anyone else would be). However, I find his actions to be rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and there must be more important things our government could be doing rather than putting pressure on governments (such as Japan) to bring Fischer back.....
To say that he shouldn't be pursued for breaking the law is just plain ignorant. Either the law should be removed or everyone that breaks that law should be punished. Selective enforcement of the law is one of the greatest dangers to individual liberty in this world.
I support that idea that the trial would be used as a justification to revoke his US citizenship, recapture taxes he has not paid in years and to make sure the law is enforced. I do not support the little crazy boy serving any time in prison and wasting any more of our tax payer dollars.
Having said that you must consider something else, Fischer through is actions enriched the very people that went on to form rape camps and engage in ethnic cleansing later on when Yugoslavia degenerated into civil war. So his actions in violation of US law served at a minimum to provide financing to people that later went on to commit some rather major attrocities which is harldy an inconsequential event.
Double Trouble
Elite Member
They need to keep after him to avoid 'selective enfocement'?? Are you smoking something? Of course he can be pursued, but I'm fairly certain the US govt is not going to such lengths to try and capture other less "high profile" lawbreakers overseas. If I steal a car, then leave the country, do you think the US govt will go to such lengths to try and get me back here? No, of course not. In other words, it wants to go after him because of his being high profile and for things he's said. That's selective enforcement. It's also a massive waste of time and resources.
With regard to taking away his citizenship, he already gave that up himself. If he wants to live in Iceland, or Japan or whereever, then so be it. If he ever steps foot on US soil, then fine, nail him.
No they don't need to keep him. They need to assign a penalty that is listed for the crime and frankly it can result in 10 years in jail, it can also result in a fine. The judge gets to decide based on the significance of the crime involved. You may also find this hard to believe but you can't give up your citizenship as easily as just saying you aren't an american anymore, there actually has to be a court trial to revoke the rights your birth conveys upon you.
As far the US pursuing other criminals with as much vigor, stealing a car in most jursidictions is a misdemeneor and would not be worthy of an international warrant. Roman Polansky a rather famous individual in the entertainment industry is currently under indictment for statutory rape of a 13 year old female in the united states and he's not even american. You might be supprised to find out this but the US is actually rather aggresive in pursing felons (as in those criminals that have commited felonies as opposed to misdemeanors like your example) that flee to other countries. I can think of a number of cases where people you have never heard of that commited crimes were pursued for years and the US routinely issues InterPOL warrents for suspects believed to have fled the country. Fischer is easier to track because he puts himself in front of the camera quite frequently unlike the majority of those eluding the law who actually try to hide. In fact a rather recent case comes to mind, that of a deserter from the US who fled to NK during the war and was recently brought under millitary court martial after being finally returned to US custody, his punishment was time served and revocation of his citizenship.
I would also like to point one other thing out, violation of US sanction provisions is routinely enforced. If you are caught entering the US with Cuban products you will face a fairly hefty fine and are actually under the same penalties that Fischer will be arraigned for (that is you could serve 10 years in prision). It would be a crime for the US not to not pursue Fischer for what he did when thousands of americans every year pay fines for trying to bring cuban products into the US.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
Explain this one to me then - how do "UN Sanctions", affect a private person, directly, rather than a nation-state or one of their agents? I mean, what if there was some wierd, random, hypothetical situation, and the UN "sanctioned" me so that I couldn't go to, say, Japan on a tourist sightseeing trip. I'm a US Citizen. What can the UN do to me? I guess I just don't get it.
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