Bobby Fischer = AntiAmerican?

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S0me1X

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Last I heard, Fischer was in the Philipines. A lot of people think he is playing chess at chessclub.com, not *CONFIRMED*
 

josphII

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who can blame him for not liking the US. theres a federal warrant for his arrest for playing a freakin chess match in serbia. the guy never had all his marbles to begin with..... this isnt much of a surprise at all
 

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<< For playing a chess match? What is this, fascism? >>



It's not unlike getting fined for going to Cuba. The gov't can say its citizens can't visit a country....
 

burnedout

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he is however the greatest chess player ever

Happy to see this thread come back up. Yes, he is a legend. I remember when he defeated Boris Spassky in Iceland for the World Title. Many Americans do not fully realize either the implications or impact of his victory. During the matches in Iceland, Boris Spassky was backed by both Russian academia and government. Bobby Fischer was there literally by himself.

And he won!
 

LimeGreen

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Fischer has always been an anti-semite as well as an anti-American.

BTW there's another article that says he is no longer the greatest chess player in the world, and he plays small tournaments and makes appearances for cash nowadays (he's bankrupt). : P
 

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<< Fischer has always been an anti-semite as well as an anti-American. >>



One thing - for sure - he has been very misunderstood. He is half-Jewish, so the anti-Semite label is not true. I knew Grandmaster Isaac Kashdan, one of the former great chessplayers of the 20--30s who was one of Bobby's few best friends.

Bobby was very bitter. He was also a chess prodigy - the greatest chess player of his day (maybe of all time). He was not very skilled in social situations and his personality development was rather one-sided as he knew only chess. Winning the world chess title was his goal; afterward everything else was just disappointment for him.

He won the world chess championship in Iceland in 1972 from the Russian (State-sponsored) Boris Spassky without any support from the US Government (or just about anybody). That match is responsible for the current resurgance in interest in chess worldwide.

His views were always narrow and his choice of religon made them even narrower. He disappeared from public view after winning the match and refused to defend his title after his myriad of demands were not met. He has lived in the US off and on.
 

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Any doubts as to his being the greatest player of all time:
Learned the rules of chess at age 6!: 1949
First recorded tournament game: July 1955
International Grandmaster title: 1958
U.S. Champion eight times in eight attempts!: 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1966
Winner of every tournament and match in which he participated from December, 1962 through World Championship match 1972 with the exceptions of Capablanca Memorial, 1965, (2nd place - 1/2 point behind Smyslov), and
Piatigorsky Cup, 1966, (2nd place - 1/2 point behind Spassky).

To bring you up to date:

FromBobbyFischer.com

In January 1972 Bobby appeared on the Dick Cavett show and talked
about chess. On July 11, 1972 he began his match with Boris Spassky in
Reykjavik, Iceland for the world championship. On September 1, 1972 Bobby
became World Chess Champion after winning 7 games, drawing 11 games, and
losing 3 games (one on forfeit). Fischer received $160,00 for his efforts and
another $40,000 in royalties. Bobby Fischer's last published USCF rating was
2810. His FIDE rating was 2785.

On April 3, 1975 Bobby Fischer forfeited his title as world chess
champion to Anatoly Karpov without playing a single chess game since winning
the world championship. Fischer had been living in an apartment in South
Pasadena owned by the Worldwide Church of God since the world
championship.

In 1977 Bobby played three games against the MIT Greenblatt
computer program. He turned down $250,000 to play one chess game at
Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas and $3 million to play in a tournament in the
Philippines.

In 1978 Bobby Fischer filed a $3.2 million lawsuit against the publishers
of a magazine critical of the Worldwide Church of God. He claimed the writers
taped his conversations without his consent. He then accused the church of
reneging on their promise to finance the lawsuit.

On May 26, 1981, Fischer was arrested in Pasadena under suspicion of
a bank robber. He was stopped by a police officer who said he fit the
description of a bank robber. Fischer refused to answer some questions and
was arrested.

In 1982 Fischer published, "I WAS TORTURED IN THE
PASADENA
JAILHOUSE." He used the pseudonym Robert James.

In 1987 the House of Representatives passed House Resolution Bill 545
recognizing Bobby Fischer as the World Chess Champion.

In 1988 Bobby patented the Fischer digital chess clock which adds 2
minutes per move.

On September 1, 1992, Bobby Fischer came out of his 20 year
retirement and gave a press conference in Yugoslavia. He pulled out an order
from the U.S. Treasury Department warning him that he would be violating
U.N. sanctions if he played chess in Yugoslavia. He spit on the order and now
faces 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine if he returns to the U.S. In addition,
he must forfeit his $3.65 million to the U.S. Treasury and forefeit 10% of any
match royalties earned. On September 30, Bobby Fischer began his re-match
with Boris Spassky in Sveti Stefan, Yugoslavia. The match was organized by
banker Jedzimir Vasiljevic. On November 11, Fischer won the match with 10
wins, 5 losses, and 15 draws. He received $3.65 million for his winnings and
Spassky received $1.5 million. The match used the new Bobby Fischer chess
clock.

In 1996 Bobby travelled to Argentina to promote his random chess,
where you set up the pieces in a random manner. This would take away the
book knowledge of regular chess.

The President of FIDE offered Fischer $100,000 and a piece of land in the
Kalmyk Republic in redress for copyright violations by former Soviet publishers.

Fischer is now reported living in Budapest
 

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<< He is half-Jewish, so the anti-Semite label is not true. >>



I'm sorry, but you can be half-Jewish and an anti-Semite at the same time.
 

Raspewtin

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he is anti-American and very anti-Semitic (and half Jewish). of course the fact that he can go to jail in the USA simply b/c he played a chess match a long time ago is the kind of thing that creates persecution complexes ;) He called into a radio show with joy when USA was bombed on sept 11.
 

burnedout

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Fischer is now reported living in Budapest

Also heard he had been in Japan the last couple of months.
 

apoppin

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<< Fischer is now reported living in Budapest

Also heard he had been in Japan the last couple of months.
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He has his admirers - those who are willing to overlook his personality disorders (he really never "grew-up" since he devoted his entire life to chess) - because of his chess genius.

I think you can see the problems of being "anti-Semetic" and half-Jewish. Plus, the unfair persecution of him by the US State Department no doubt pushed him over the edge. ;)

:)
 

burnedout

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He has his admirers - those who are willing to overlook his personality disorders (he really never "grew-up" since he devoted his entire life to chess) - because of his chess genius.

I think you can see the problems of being "anti-Semetic" and half-Jewish. Plus, the unfair persecution of him by the US State Department no doubt pushed him over the edge.


Good descriptive summary. I agree. From what I can gather, he isn't as "tightly wrapped" as one might suppose.
 

Aenygma

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<< << I wonder how legit this story is because those are some pretty strong statements above. >> >>



I read no further than that post.


Man like I said in another thread you ppl need to get out more.

He has been anti-american and a major anti semite for yearsssssss

He lives in Japan, and philipines b/c he is wanted in America, I believe b/c of his last match with boris spatsky.

Anyway, point is, I am totally sure he is anti-american, since he has made some references in the past, plus is a known hater of an entire ppl.


BTW the man is no true champion, as he has constantly denied challenges by other notable world class chess players ( more than likely he fears he would lose,) and I for one would surely not bet on him against the likes of kasparov


**EDIT** I have to spell better
**re EDIT** Wow, found another sp error, if there are any more.. I wont bother editing again lol. deal with it lol
 

drewshin

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there's been rumors that he's maybe autistic.

that might his extreme genius in chess, but strange outbursts.
 

josphII

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<< Fischer has always been an anti-semite as well as an anti-American. >>



One thing - for sure - he has been very misunderstood. He is half-Jewish, so the anti-Semite label is not true. I knew Grandmaster Isaac Kashdan, one of the former great chessplayers of the 20--30s who was one of Bobby's few best friends.

Bobby was very bitter. He was also a chess prodigy - the greatest chess player of his day (maybe of all time). He was not very skilled in social situations and his personality development was rather one-sided as he knew only chess. Winning the world chess title was his goal; afterward everything else was just disappointment for him.

He won the world chess championship in Iceland in 1972 from the Russian (State-sponsored) Boris Spassky without any support from the US Government (or just about anybody). That match is responsible for the current resurgance in interest in chess worldwide.

His views were always narrow and his choice of religon made them even narrower. He disappeared from public view after winning the match and refused to defend his title after his myriad of demands were not met. He has lived in the US off and on.
>>



just because somebody is half jewish doesnnt mean they cant be an anti semite. he is an anti-semite. read the few interviews he did and you will see this very clearly
 

S0me1X

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<<he is however the greatest chess player ever>>

The overall strength of chess grandmasters has pretty much steadily increased ever since the tital was introduced. Kasparov againsst Fischer is at least 50/50.
 

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<< How could one applaud the slaughter of thousands of innocents? What a jackass! >>



I've wondered that myself with all the people here cheering the deaths of innocent civilians during the bombings on Afghanistan.
 

apoppin

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<< just because somebody is half jewish doesnnt mean they cant be an anti semite. he is an anti-semite. read the few interviews he did and you will see this very clearly >>


Well, I didn't really want to bother answering this, but - since it was 'bumped' - Fischer is not anti-Semite. Many of his best friends are/were Jewish. He is against what he perceives as a Jewish domination of certain aspects of the American government and also in the Chess world. Most of those interview quotations are taken out of context.


<< The overall strength of chess grandmasters has pretty much steadily increased ever since the tital was introduced. Kasparov againsst Fischer is at least 50/50. >>


Nonsense. The overall strength of GMs has increased over the last century, not the last decade. If Fisher has kept up his chess knowledge and practice, he is still capable of beating the very best today. No one can point to a decade of winning chess tournaments as Fisher can. Much of what is perceived as "new" has come from studying Fischer's games and building on those innovations.


<< << How could one applaud the slaughter of thousands of innocents? >>


No one in their right mind can be glad for human suffering (even those applauding the slaughter in Afghanistan are not thinking of individual suffering - rather they are thinking abstractly. They have depersonalized individuals to attain a certain "goal" - either the "waking up" of America or the "defeat" of terrorism.)
 

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<< who can blame him for not liking the US. theres a federal warrant for his arrest for playing a freakin chess match in serbia... this isnt much of a surprise at all >>

 

burnedout

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Most of those interview quotations are taken out of context.

Upon first reading the article I thought the interview was either faked, or at best also taken out of context.
 

apoppin

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Upon second reading of that article, it seems even more fake or at least twisted. Probably a translation into Spanish (or a Philipino language) and then back into English.

There is no context to those quotes. And no proof it is even Bobby Fisher the chess GM.

Anyway, it did lead to a lively discussion.
 

burnedout

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Anyway, it did lead to a lively discussion

Indeed!

Brought back many memories of the early 70s. I was one of the"children" back then who became engulfed in the Fischer-mania. I'll always hold Bobby Fischer in high regard. His current conflict with the US Gov is most controversial. I find myself rather divided on passing decisive judgement about that particular issue.

And I applaud you for your knowledge and thoughtful commentary on the subject. :D
 

b0mbrman

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<< Last I heard, Fischer was in the Philipines. A lot of people think he is playing chess at chessclub.com, not *CONFIRMED* >>



Baguio City is in the Philippines...It's a real nice resort town