BNP wins 2 seats

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is probably a reaction to how far left Europe has gone. Eventually people will stop tolerating it.

exactly. When immigrants are granted more rights (Sharia law in Britain, anti-hate speech laws that impacts only non-muslims) than non-immigrants, folks are going to be fed up.

BS

 

[StageLeft]

I know nothing about the BNP. I laughed when I heard that some party in england got a seat that didn't allow non-whites. However, if extreme people are gaining seats it's due not to apathy but rather increasing disenchantment with government by the people of England. I welcome and applaud their disgust, although not the means by which it is expressed in this case.

In the words of Skoorb, England is and has been doing down the sh*ter for some years now. It would be nice if the people there would wake up to what they are doing to their own country. I am talking about the vast increases in government and increasing assumptions that people cannot or at least should not be able to make decisions for themselves. It is too oppressive.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The funny thing is even the "far-right" parties in European politics believe in things like universal health care.

They are not far right and you know it. It is more propaganda meant to harm true fiscal and social conservatives.

Yeaaah...? They're fascist social conservatives, that's how the BNP started. They're literally an offshoot of the nazi party.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
You realize The Pirate Bay also won a seat? It wasn't just far right groups, it was far left ones as well.

I'd agree that the low turnout allowed them to get enough votes from their respective fan bases to secure a seat or two. I honestly don't know that I'd read any further into it.

Don't compare a socially positive and pro-rights group with a group that is run by wanna-be nazis and white supremacists. What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[OCGuy]

I have a feeling most people here are in the top left. :laugh:

Where I end up: Text

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: RedChief
Since far-right isn't necessarily the correct description for the BNP, what about something different. They are Socialist are they not who also consider themselves a Workers party? They are also Nationalist.

So arn't they more Socialist-Workers-Nationalist?

How about just describe them as a National Socialist British Workers Party?

Or is that too much like the National Socialist German Workers Party?


Fascism != Far-right

Fascists parties in Europe are not far-right. They are just the flip-side of the far-left coin with the communists being the other side.

That's what's so interesting about today history revisionists. They forget that most segregation in America was orchestrated by Democrats (Jim Crow laws anyone?). Hell, their own Senator Byrd was once a KKK member. Being racist has no exclusiveness with being far right.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: RedChief
Since far-right isn't necessarily the correct description for the BNP, what about something different. They are Socialist are they not who also consider themselves a Workers party? They are also Nationalist.

So arn't they more Socialist-Workers-Nationalist?

How about just describe them as a National Socialist British Workers Party?

Or is that too much like the National Socialist German Workers Party?


Fascism != Far-right

Fascists parties in Europe are not far-right. They are just the flip-side of the far-left coin with the communists being the other side.

That's what's so interesting about today history revisionists. They forget that most segregation in America was orchestrated by Democrats (Jim Crow laws anyone?). Hell, their own Senator Byrd was once a KKK member. Being racist has no exclusiveness with being far right.

Getting down to the strictest of definitions, those who were pro-segregation were not socially liberal, they were conservative. Their political party matters not.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Anti-BNP protest today by the group Unite Against Fascism. Clever title by the CBC, too.

How much more evidence do you numbskulls need to see that the BNP are fascist and far-right?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: OCguy
I have a feeling most people here are in the top left. :laugh:

Where I end up: Text

http://politicalcompass.org/uselection

LOL

John Kerry for some reason is more authoritarian / rightist than you are. Something tells me that politicalcompass is a bit off

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
Anti-BNP protest today by the group Unite Against Fascism. Clever title by the CBC, too.

How much more evidence do you numbskulls need to see that the BNP are fascist and far-right?

Some are convinced that "Far Right" means Libertarian. Certainly nothing nasty, that's what Far Left is for. Far Right is all cuddly kittens and fuzzy bunnies! :laugh:

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Slick5150
You realize The Pirate Bay also won a seat? It wasn't just far right groups, it was far left ones as well.

I'd agree that the low turnout allowed them to get enough votes from their respective fan bases to secure a seat or two. I honestly don't know that I'd read any further into it.

Don't compare a socially positive and pro-rights group with a group that is run by wanna-be nazis and white supremacists. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Where the hell did I compare the 2 other than to say both won seats, and the reason for both of those things may be similar (low turnout allowed them to get enough of a % of the vote to get a seat or 2).

Other than that, please explain to me where I suggested the 2 groups were in any way similar.

Otherwise, try reading.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: RedChief
Since far-right isn't necessarily the correct description for the BNP, what about something different. They are Socialist are they not who also consider themselves a Workers party? They are also Nationalist.

So arn't they more Socialist-Workers-Nationalist?

How about just describe them as a National Socialist British Workers Party?

Or is that too much like the National Socialist German Workers Party?


Fascism != Far-right

Fascists parties in Europe are not far-right. They are just the flip-side of the far-left coin with the communists being the other side.

That's what's so interesting about today history revisionists. They forget that most segregation in America was orchestrated by Democrats (Jim Crow laws anyone?). Hell, their own Senator Byrd was once a KKK member. Being racist has no exclusiveness with being far right.

You do realize those southern democrats jumped republican after the civil rights act was signed by LBJ, right? Read up on the GOP's "southern strategy" (started by Nixon) to court racist southern whites after the democrats had become the party of civil rights.

Yeah, those southern liberal democrats :roll: (you're retarded CPA).

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is probably a reaction to how far left Europe has gone. Eventually people will stop tolerating it.

exactly. When immigrants are granted more rights (Sharia law in Britain, anti-hate speech laws that impacts only non-muslims) than non-immigrants, folks are going to be fed up.

Come on, even many of their left-wing parties are anti-immigration. It's ridiculous to claim that immigrants are granted more rights. They make Republicans look like they are left-wing radicals on issues like immigration, minority rights, etc.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is probably a reaction to how far left Europe has gone. Eventually people will stop tolerating it.

exactly. When immigrants are granted more rights (Sharia law in Britain, anti-hate speech laws that impacts only non-muslims) than non-immigrants, folks are going to be fed up.

Come on, even many of their left-wing parties are anti-immigration. It's ridiculous to claim that immigrants are granted more rights. They make Republicans look like they are left-wing radicals on issues like immigration, minority rights, etc.

CPAss in his trolling neglects to explain that the use of Shria law in Britain was between consenting Muslims undergoing arbitration in civil matters.


That little factoid did not fit in his propaganda and fear.

 

[imported_Lothar]

All the right wing parties seem to have won.

How come there's no information on Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front political party?
Are they banned from EU elections or did they decide not to run?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Lothar
All the right wing parties seem to have won.

How come there's no information on Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front political party?
Are they banned from EU elections or did they decide not to run?

A lot of their ideas were adopted by the mainstream parties, so they lost votes.

 

[biostud]

in UK you have to consider the scandal running in the parliament, so neither the conservatives or Labor are popular atm.

The following MPs have said in the past three weeks that they will not contest the next election
Conservative: Andrew MacKay, Julie Kirkbride, Douglas Hogg, Sir Peter Viggers, Anthony Steen, Sir Nicholas and Ann Winterton, Christopher Fraser
Labour: Margaret Moran, Ben Chapman, Ian McCartney, John Smith, Michael Martin (Speaker)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8070742.stm

With that said, I think it's a disaster that more right wing nationalistic parties and conservatives have the power in the EP.

More power to the liberal/green side of the EP!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: RedChief
Since far-right isn't necessarily the correct description for the BNP, what about something different. They are Socialist are they not who also consider themselves a Workers party? They are also Nationalist.

So arn't they more Socialist-Workers-Nationalist?

How about just describe them as a National Socialist British Workers Party?

Or is that too much like the National Socialist German Workers Party?


Fascism != Far-right

Fascists parties in Europe are not far-right. They are just the flip-side of the far-left coin with the communists being the other side.

That's what's so interesting about today history revisionists. They forget that most segregation in America was orchestrated by Democrats (Jim Crow laws anyone?). Hell, their own Senator Byrd was once a KKK member. Being racist has no exclusiveness with being far right.

No, what's so interesting is how many times those on the right try to saddle the modern day (D) party with segregation. Is it any wonder why minorities don't support your party?

 

[Atheus]

Looks like they're getting the appropriate treatment:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091666.stm

Hope this happens every time that man tries to open his mouth.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: OCguy
This is probably a reaction to how far left Europe has gone. Eventually people will stop tolerating it.

exactly. When immigrants are granted more rights (Sharia law in Britain, anti-hate speech laws that impacts only non-muslims) than non-immigrants, folks are going to be fed up.

Come on, even many of their left-wing parties are anti-immigration. It's ridiculous to claim that immigrants are granted more rights. They make Republicans look like they are left-wing radicals on issues like immigration, minority rights, etc.

Which British left wing parties are you referring to? Lib dems? Greens? I defy you to find anti-immigration policy in either party. And worse than Republicans? Don't make me laugh - you people shoot mexicans on the border for the 'crime' of wanting to earn a decent living and feed their family.