BMW E92 M3

[iversonyin]

Are we judging a car that NOONE has driven yet?!

 

[SlowSpyder]

I love watching everyone get all excited because it's a BMW. It makes all of about 5% more hp and 25% less torque then a GM LS2. <patiently waits for the meaningless hp/lt arguements>

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Ferrari F430
V8, 4.3L
Redline: 8500 RPM
483 HP @ 8500 RPM (112 HP / Litre)
343 ft-lbs. @ 5250 RPM

2008 BMW M3
V8, 4.0L
Redline: 8300 RPM
420 HP @ 8300 RPM (105 HP/Litre)
295 ft-lbs. @ 3900 RPM

I would say BMW got pretty close to what most people consider to be the best V8 on the planet...for a fraction of the price!

LS7 FTMFW

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I love watching everyone get all excited because it's a BMW. It makes all of about 5% more hp and 25% less torque then a GM LS2. <patiently waits for the meaningless hp/lt arguements>

From my understanding through sports car comparisons and reviews, the previous M3 was considered a more enjoyable car overall to drive than the Corvette.

There must be a reason the automotive performance world praises M3s... This one should not be any different.

That said the LS2 is a very nice engine with unbeatable torque and the Vette would be an amazing package if the interior was a bit more upscale.

I will be patiently waiting on a comparison between the new M3 and the current Z06, and would not be surprised if the magazines ranked the BMW higher.

 

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: cobalt
420HP/295lb-ft of torque. 8300RPM red line. Oh, and it's 33 lbs lighter than the S54. Official PDF.

When did Honda buy BMW?

I bet it has a i-Vtech too yo!

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I love watching everyone get all excited because it's a BMW. It makes all of about 5% more hp and 25% less torque then a GM LS2. <patiently waits for the meaningless hp/lt arguements>

The meaningful argument is that it will drive better than many cars with the LS2

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69

Originally posted by: cobalt
420HP/295lb-ft of torque. 8300RPM red line. Oh, and it's 33 lbs lighter than the S54. Official PDF.

When did Honda buy BMW?

I bet it has a i-Vtech too yo!

How is this new or surprising. High revving, lower torque engines are classic to BMW M. M5? Previous generation M3s...

 

[fstime]

I agree, why are people acting shocked?

1. They are lacking knowledge on BMW history

2. Bashing BMW is the new "sony bashing" fad

3. Extreme Nationalists downplaying it and praising LS2111!!!!!! american engines


Look at the M5, last M3, and on and on...

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
I agree, why are people acting shocked?

1. They are lacking knowledge on BMW history

2. Bashing BMW is the new "sony bashing" fad

3. Extreme Nationalists downplaying it and praising LS2111!!!!!! american engines


Look at the M5, last M3, and on and on...

you know..some people simply think BMW's are just not THAT good. like me. i dont doubt that they are well engineered (the M5 V10 is quite teh badass), but i'd never own one.. i don't find them very attractive.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BouZouki
I agree, why are people acting shocked?

1. They are lacking knowledge on BMW history

2. Bashing BMW is the new "sony bashing" fad

3. Extreme Nationalists downplaying it and praising LS2111!!!!!! american engines


Look at the M5, last M3, and on and on...

you know..some people simply think BMW's are just not THAT good. like me. i dont doubt that they are well engineered (the M5 V10 is quite teh badass), but i'd never own one.. i don't find them very attractive.

I agree, i'm a Mercedes-Benz man myself...

However, these specs are nothing out of the ordinary, it if met that 300 tq mark, no one would say a word, the RS4 only makes a little more, probably due to the additional 200cc.

Did the previous gen M3 have a lot more torque? Bottom line, this engine is giving you a far superior torque curve, 100 more horsepower, and is lighter than its older counterpart.

Seems like an reasonable improvement to me, all it falls down to is the curb weight.

 

[iversonyin]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=16061

You can now hear the engine. Sweet V8

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=16061

You can now hear the engine. Sweet V8

it sounds hot. thats for sure

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: cobalt

Originally posted by: archcommus
Oh boy, 33 lbs.

Not exciting.

Directed towards the nay-sayers about BMW's decision to drop in a V8 because of weight issues. The new V8 weighing less than the 3.2L in-line 6 from the E46 by 33lbs is somewhat of a highlight. :roll:

But they could have done the same thing to the 3.2 that they did with the 3.0. Which is replace some of the parts with the Magnesium Alloy.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Note, the engines torque curve is almost completely flat, making 85%+ of the torque at 2,000 rpm and carrying that all the way through the rev line.

...oh. Well at least that is better.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=16061

You can now hear the engine. Sweet V8

Sweetness. That thing purrs like a kitten then growls like a lion in beautiful harmony.

As for the torque, I think we should wait until some reviews are out before we totally bash it.

Anyone know the MPG on this thing?

 

[SVT Cobra]

LS7 is still the best newest engine sorry.

 

[Fenixgoon]

DAMN that sounds sick! i dont like BMW, but that is sexy as hell

it has tough competition from the RS4 though

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Ferrari F430
V8, 4.3L
Redline: 8500 RPM
483 HP @ 8500 RPM (112 HP / Litre)
343 ft-lbs. @ 5250 RPM

2008 BMW M3
V8, 4.0L
Redline: 8300 RPM
420 HP @ 8300 RPM (105 HP/Litre)
295 ft-lbs. @ 3900 RPM

I would say BMW got pretty close to what most people consider to be the best V8 on the planet...for a fraction of the price!

LS7 FTMFW

QFMFT

 

[Barfo]

Don't care if the engine is powerful enough or not, the thing is ugly.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: cobalt
420HP/295lb-ft of torque. 8300RPM red line. Oh, and it's 33 lbs lighter than the S54. Official PDF.

...and still heavier than an LS1.

How much does an LS1 weigh? I've been looking for the fully dressed weight for awhile.

LS2: 448 lbs
LS7: 458 lbs

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: andylawcc
why are ppl b1tching about the relative lack of torque? I mean, the Mustang 4.6 V8 makes 300hp/320tq too. that's 25 more tq in exchange for 120 less hp and 10% less displacement.

the RS4 has a 4.2L V8, that makes 420hp/317tq, and ppl don't seems to pay attention since it is in the 300tq range. 295tq just seems a lot weaker.


and just in case anyone b1tches about the technicality, when I say tq it mean ft-lb.

I'm a fan of lower revving, high displacement engines, thats all.

Perhaps any AMG 500/600 is better suited for you....

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: cobalt
420HP/295lb-ft of torque. 8300RPM red line. Oh, and it's 33 lbs lighter than the S54. Official PDF.

...and still heavier than an LS1.

How much does an LS1 weigh? I've been looking for the fully dressed weight for awhile.

LS2: 448 lbs
LS7: 458 lbs

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/z06/ls1ls6.html

TOTAL DRESSED WEIGHT:

Auto. - 457.6 lbs. (208 kg);
Manual - 497.2 lbs (226 kg)

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: cobalt
420HP/295lb-ft of torque. 8300RPM red line. Oh, and it's 33 lbs lighter than the S54. Official PDF.

...and still heavier than an LS1.

How much does an LS1 weigh? I've been looking for the fully dressed weight for awhile.

LS2: 448 lbs
LS7: 458 lbs

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/z06/ls1ls6.html

TOTAL DRESSED WEIGHT:

Auto. - 457.6 lbs. (208 kg);
Manual - 497.2 lbs (226 kg)

Ah interesting, in theory heavier than the LS2/LS7.

I think the real difficulty is getting some consensus on what "fully dressed" means. Unfortunately, there really is no industry standard.

It would be great if these numbers were published too, like for Porsche, Ferrari, etc.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

TOTAL DRESSED WEIGHT:

Auto. - 457.6 lbs. (208 kg);
Manual - 497.2 lbs (226 kg)

wooot? manual is heavier than auto????

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: mariok2006

TOTAL DRESSED WEIGHT:

Auto. - 457.6 lbs. (208 kg);
Manual - 497.2 lbs (226 kg)

wooot? manual is heavier than auto????

Dressed weight of the engine probably includes things like the flywheel, which wouldn't be included in the auto.