BMW driver crashes on street showing off, blames everything but himself

BoomerD

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I noticed that he blamed tire pressures as being a possible problem...

Obviously, he's NOT a member of these forums. We all know that you HAVE TO keep your tire pressure at sidewall...not a bit more or less.
 

Hugo Drax

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I wonder what kind of damage has been done and how much it would cost to fix.
 

Insomniator

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To a car that generally removed oil dip sticks in favor of computer level monitors?

A lot.

Besides any body panel damage (which yes is a lot) shouldn't there really NOT be any major mechanical/suspension damage? I'm sure high way pot holes can inflict similar force on the wheels... it would be pretty lame if rims were bent and new struts (making this up) were needed.

What if it was a basic trusty accord? Better chance of nothing breaking because its not a sports car?
 

mmntech

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Lol, another dude trying to over-compensate for their small package by purchasing a car that's clearly well beyond their driving skill level. Then he lies about it because people might find out he's actually not awesome. :D

Still doesn't beat the Lambo spinning out at the lights and wedging himself between two cars. That video's an internet classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pgm8I0B8bY
 

utahraptor

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Every time I see a nice car like this go full retard it makes me wonder what the driver was thinking or doing at the time. Did he suddenly think, "People are looking at my sweet ride. Would they be more entertained if I suddenly jerked the wheel to the left and pressed both the brake and gas pedals to the floor?" The answer is yes. I was entertained.
 

skyking

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Nov 21, 2001
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I wonder what kind of damage has been done and how much it would cost to fix.
The right fog light fell out, or part of it. he busted the right side valance there. Probably bent the right front rim. It took both of the big hits, the curb and the *touchdown* !
He posts how he had corrected it. I think he was steering with one knee and putting the lid on the coffee if that is what he calls a correction.
 

TheVrolok

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He actually does blame himself a fair bit in the post. Certainly not in as succinct way as he should/could have, but he does.
 

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I noticed that he blamed tire pressures as being a possible problem...

Obviously, he's NOT a member of these forums. We all know that you HAVE TO keep your tire pressure at sidewall...not a bit more or less.
I keep my pressures at the car manufacturers recommended level. Sidewall number is just the maximum level.
 

utahraptor

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More judicious use of the throttle should have been exercised. MDM mode was not used because MDM is too quick to intervene and cuts power prematurely (or maybe not).
He turned of the anti retard system because it may have stopped him from doing something retarded!
 

clamum

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Feb 13, 2003
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I started reading his explanation but said fuck it after the first paragraph. I took his extremely long-winded explanation to mean that he tried to bore/confuse the reader and perhaps shift blame but maybe not.
 

moonbogg

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Kind of embarrassing. I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as an awesome street driver though. Is it possible to drive fast on public streets and be awesome? I think it always makes you a dangerous idiot, no matter who you are.
 

Subyman

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Hmmm, I actually read his post and I don't see anything crazy there. He said it was driver error and he said it was a humbling experience. He went over some of the possible scenarios that may have attributed to the car acting differently than it did in the past, but never tried to lay all the blame on any of those. Seemed like a decent post from someone that took responsibility and even said he deserves the ridicule he gets.
 

SKORPI0

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Another video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqzjhmJ0QX0

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http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13080143&postcount=6

"Hey guys,

It was my car that was involved and a mistake was made. There were no intentions of doing anything out of the norm. In fact, you'll notice in the video that the car was going very slowly in front of the crowd. This was intentional because we've all watched too many YouTube videos of this sort of thing happening and wanted to make sure that nobody would get hurt should anything unexpected happen. Once the car was past the crowd the accelerator was pushed in a straight-line as I have done many times in the past when the rear snapped violently. The car was going ~30mph at that time. The car has been driven for 4700 miles and has been driven with DSC off many times including in the rain and never has the car snapped so violently just from accelerating. I chalk it up to several factors including cold temps (low 40s), cold tires and incorrect psi (more on that later) and of course driver error. More judicious use of the throttle should have been exercised. MDM mode was not used because MDM is too quick to intervene and cuts power prematurely (or maybe not).

Usually when the rear breaks loose, it does so progressively and steering correction will suffice. However, you can see in the video that the front tires are turned slightly to the right indicating opposite lock was put on the steering trying to prevent the car from doing a complete 180 however there wasn't enough real estate to counter how violently it snapped - though admittedty the gravity of the snap required immediate full oppo lock which was misread. I'm not sure why some are saying that no steering input was made because it was - one could argue it should have been sooner but again usually a little wiggle just takes small steering input and power through not a full-on immediate opposite lock as was needed in such a big snap - to me it actually seemed like it was happening in slow-mo although the vid makes it seem like it happened so fast. As the car started to correct it became apparent that there was no way out except over the curb which is where I put on the brakes and tried to straightline the curb as much as possible to avoid hitting the curb at an angle which would cause a lot of damage and potentiality flip/roll the car.

I've driven many high hp rwd cars including vipers, porsches, corvettes, and formula cars and I've graduated from formula racing schools and have years of training in advanced car control and plenty of track time. Heck I remember day one of Formula school, half of the first day was spent on the skid pad learning how to keep a car from spinning if you lose traction. Maybe I need a refresher since it's been awhile and I've been driving AWD Audis for the past few years. Some of those other RWD cars I mentioned will snap fiercely and you have to be on extremely high alert, however my experience with the M4 has been that it tends to not snap so viciously in a straight line - but this time I was wrong. I would caution anyone thinking that it can't happen to them (count me as previously one of those) that anyone can make a mistake. I'm thankful that nobody was injured from such a mistake. Surprisingly, the car seems to be driving just fine with the only damage being the right plastic guard underneath the bumper which can be seen in the video. Surprising I know.

I mentioned earlier that I had incorrect PSI - let me explain. My PSI was low, so I inflated it a bit with a pump with an analog tire guage which of course is very imprecise compared to a digital gauge. I noticed that my right tire pressure was 1.5psi off of my left when viewing the PSI from the BMW onboard digital gauge (you can only do this while driving). However, as my car had been pulling to the right from day 1 of delivery (there's a big thread of many complaining about that on these forums). Miraculously, the car drifted to the right to a lesser extent with the right tire PSI being slightly higher than the left and so I was playing around with the idea of keeping it that way for a short time- however I knew that I needed to put the PSI equally across both tires but I just failed to do that before going to the meet. I have no idea if unequal PSI left to right contributed to the right rear spinning so differently than the left.

Anyways, I know I'll be ridiculed and called an idiot (and rightfully so) but I think many of you also know that I didn't do anything intentionally out of the ordinary or unsafe. I'm not sure I was even trying to show off as acceleration happened when the car was past the crowd and it's not like a powerslide or burnout or anything of that sort occurred.

I also think the M4 is a fine car and I have no complaints about the amount of power or torque or tire width or grip or anything. In fact, the whole reason I got the M4 is because it's not AWD and I like the rear moving around a bit. Mistakes happen and I've learned a lesson - and from now on will keep DSC on when driving around because there's too much at stake to make a mistake while driving - no matter how good or bad of a driver you are. Thanks for hearing me out. It certainly has been a humbling experience."
 

Hugo Drax

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What's more amazing is how not only stupid people can be but how successful and wealthy they can get.....

You don't have to be successful or wealthy to drive an M3. Anyone now can lease an M3.

Do not confuse what someone drives with success. The only way to verify this is to look at the persons net wealth statement. (ASSETS - LIABILITIES) = net wealth.
 

Subyman

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"Hey guys,

It was my car that was involved and a mistake was made. There were no intentions of doing anything out of the norm. In fact, you'll notice in the video that the car was going very slowly in front of the crowd. This was intentional because we've all watched too many YouTube videos of this sort of thing happening and wanted to make sure that nobody would get hurt should anything unexpected happen. Once the car was past the crowd the accelerator was pushed in a straight-line as I have done many times in the past when the rear snapped violently. The car was going ~30mph at that time. The car has been driven for 4700 miles and has been driven with DSC off many times including in the rain and never has the car snapped so violently just from accelerating. I chalk it up to several factors including cold temps (low 40s), cold tires and incorrect psi (more on that later) and of course driver error. More judicious use of the throttle should have been exercised. MDM mode was not used because MDM is too quick to intervene and cuts power prematurely (or maybe not).

Usually when the rear breaks loose, it does so progressively and steering correction will suffice. However, you can see in the video that the front tires are turned slightly to the right indicating opposite lock was put on the steering trying to prevent the car from doing a complete 180 however there wasn't enough real estate to counter how violently it snapped - though admittedty the gravity of the snap required immediate full oppo lock which was misread. I'm not sure why some are saying that no steering input was made because it was - one could argue it should have been sooner but again usually a little wiggle just takes small steering input and power through not a full-on immediate opposite lock as was needed in such a big snap - to me it actually seemed like it was happening in slow-mo although the vid makes it seem like it happened so fast. As the car started to correct it became apparent that there was no way out except over the curb which is where I put on the brakes and tried to straightline the curb as much as possible to avoid hitting the curb at an angle which would cause a lot of damage and potentiality flip/roll the car.

I've driven many high hp rwd cars including vipers, porsches, corvettes, and formula cars and I've graduated from formula racing schools and have years of training in advanced car control and plenty of track time. Heck I remember day one of Formula school, half of the first day was spent on the skid pad learning how to keep a car from spinning if you lose traction. Maybe I need a refresher since it's been awhile and I've been driving AWD Audis for the past few years. Some of those other RWD cars I mentioned will snap fiercely and you have to be on extremely high alert, however my experience with the M4 has been that it tends to not snap so viciously in a straight line - but this time I was wrong. I would caution anyone thinking that it can't happen to them (count me as previously one of those) that anyone can make a mistake. I'm thankful that nobody was injured from such a mistake. Surprisingly, the car seems to be driving just fine with the only damage being the right plastic guard underneath the bumper which can be seen in the video. Surprising I know.

I mentioned earlier that I had incorrect PSI - let me explain. My PSI was low, so I inflated it a bit with a pump with an analog tire guage which of course is very imprecise compared to a digital gauge. I noticed that my right tire pressure was 1.5psi off of my left when viewing the PSI from the BMW onboard digital gauge (you can only do this while driving). However, as my car had been pulling to the right from day 1 of delivery (there's a big thread of many complaining about that on these forums). Miraculously, the car drifted to the right to a lesser extent with the right tire PSI being slightly higher than the left and so I was playing around with the idea of keeping it that way for a short time- however I knew that I needed to put the PSI equally across both tires but I just failed to do that before going to the meet. I have no idea if unequal PSI left to right contributed to the right rear spinning so differently than the left.

Anyways, I know I'll be ridiculed and called an idiot (and rightfully so) but I think many of you also know that I didn't do anything intentionally out of the ordinary or unsafe. I'm not sure I was even trying to show off as acceleration happened when the car was past the crowd and it's not like a powerslide or burnout or anything of that sort occurred.

I also think the M4 is a fine car and I have no complaints about the amount of power or torque or tire width or grip or anything. In fact, the whole reason I got the M4 is because it's not AWD and I like the rear moving around a bit. Mistakes happen and I've learned a lesson - and from now on will keep DSC on when driving around because there's too much at stake to make a mistake while driving - no matter how good or bad of a driver you are. Thanks for hearing me out. It certainly has been a humbling experience."

I can cherry pick parts of his post too!
 

Subyman

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Long explanation = deflecting

You can hear he floored the gas. He couldn't control the power. All his fault. Nuff said.

That should have been his post

He's not talking about unicorns or what he had for breakfast. All of it pertains to the accident. I see no reason why discussing some contributing factors is somehow him deflecting ownership of his mistake when he clearly says it was his fault several times. It is a long winded post, but he was in an embarrassing accident so he's probably been reflecting on it for some time.

This looks to be more of an internet dogpile on top of a guy that made a stupid mistake. If anything, I'm kind of amazed he came forward and discussed the situation openly without throwing middle fingers like most people would do.
 

Tommy2000GT

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so basically have ran over a curb and caused some damage?

he should be driving a Ford F150 Raptor if he wants to do things like that.
 

AznAnarchy99

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You don't have to be successful or wealthy to drive an M3. Anyone now can lease an M3.

Do not confuse what someone drives with success. The only way to verify this is to look at the persons net wealth statement. (ASSETS - LIABILITIES) = net wealth.

Yup. I could technically lease an M3/M4 if I forgo any and all extra curricular activities that I enjoy.