BMW driver crashes on street showing off, blames everything but himself

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dawp

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I keep my pressures at the car manufacturers recommended level. Sidewall number is just the maximum level.

there was an idiot, now banned, who insisted that tire pressure had to set at what it said on the sidewall.
 

dank69

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Long explanation = deflecting

You can hear he floored the gas. He couldn't control the power. All his fault. Nuff said.

That should have been his post
How much driver retraining is necessary to learn to take foot off gas when rear gets loose?
 

brainhulk

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How much driver retraining is necessary to learn to take foot off gas when rear gets loose?

It takes some practice and discipline to catch a slide. you actually need to quickly get back on the throttle a little after a slight lift. In addition to quickly countersteering at the onset of the slide

I believe this guy just lifted and stabbed the brakes...lol
 

lozina

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wtf is cars and coffee? please dont tell me its a place that caters to guys showing off their cars as they drive by coffee drinkers, like it sounds
 

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How much driver retraining is necessary to learn to take foot off gas when rear gets loose?

That's not enough in every situation. If the rears have broken loose then what happens when you get off the throttle is they spool down and grab the road again. He still would have needed to have the front tires pointing somewhere other than the median. The bottom line is that guy was caught completely by surprise and didn't do any of the things he should have done within a half-second of the rear coming loose.
 

vshah

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wtf is cars and coffee? please dont tell me its a place that caters to guys showing off their cars as they drive by coffee drinkers, like it sounds

cars and coffee is a general term for a (usually weekend morning) event where car owners and enthusiasts gather to drink coffee and check out each other's rides. most towns have one or more such event. 95% of people who attend these are mature and safe, but you always have a few asshats trying to show off.
 

Squeetard

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That fishtail looked so damn easy to recover from, geez.
Bad driving.
But. The guy was pretty succinct and embarrassed about it. Who wouldn't try and save some pride.
 

dank69

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That's not enough in every situation. If the rears have broken loose then what happens when you get off the throttle is they spool down and grab the road again. He still would have needed to have the front tires pointing somewhere other than the median. The bottom line is that guy was caught completely by surprise and didn't do any of the things he should have done within a half-second of the rear coming loose.
I'm talking about letting off gas the moment you feel it get loose, not well after you are pointing the wrong direction. Of course a little steering correction is going to be necessary depending on how long it takes you to lift your foot.

I like how he says he put on the brakes once he knew the curb was the only way out. Looked to me like he was braking before you could even see the wheels in the video, long before he was sideways and pointing at the curb. Then he says he tried to straightline the curb. Front wheels didn't look like they turned even a tiny bit. The angle he hit the curb was just dumb luck.
 

JulesMaximus

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That fishtail looked so damn easy to recover from, geez.
Bad driving.
But. The guy was pretty succinct and embarrassed about it. Who wouldn't try and save some pride.

He had no business turning off TC in the first place. He is clearly a total novice when it comes to driving. He literally did everything wrong in that video.
 

WelshBloke

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Wow.

That's pretty impressive on a straight, dry, good surfaced road at a slow speed, with a car that's got a bunch of driving aids and handles pretty well.
 

KentState

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I watched it a few more times and I'm a little puzzled too. Looks like maybe the rear diff sent everything it had to one tire and caused it to spin. Who knows these days with all the stability control and junk. He said he turned off traction control, but stability control may still be on which actuates individual brakes to try to maintain control. Looks like the car went haywire.

When I had my 135i, I got on it many times in a straight line. Full throttle and it never did anything like that.

The only other thing that I can think is that he was also in the middle of a downshift which caused the car to become unstable. I've also never had a car that acted that way going in a full throttle, though they have all been manuals so I knew what power to expect.

Anyways, this guy should be relegated to a Yaris or something a little more manageable.
 

Subyman

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This is opposite lock.

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This is an almost complete lack of any steering input whatsoever and he really should have been at opposite lock at this point... dumbass. Too bad he didn't roll it.

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You can't fault the car or the conditions for any of this, the car went exactly where he pointed it. Fault lies completely with the dip stick behind the wheel.

I watched it again. Sounds like he panic-slammed the brakes while trying to turn back.
 
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joutlaw

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Looks like most roads where there is a slight grade to the right. Not sure of the transmission, but my guess is he was in a higher gear 2 or 3 and floored it. It downshifted to 1st cause wheel spin, the grade caused the fish tail and he stayed in the gas way too long without correcting. He built up a lot of speed going into that curb to get that much air.
 

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I like how he says he put on the brakes once he knew the curb was the only way out. Looked to me like he was braking before you could even see the wheels in the video, long before he was sideways and pointing at the curb.

Yeah, he panicked. He never had any expectation of what happened and he wasn't at all prepared for it. Then once it happened he went into ego preservation mode and sounded like an asshat. I once drove a Maxima off a slushy road late at night and straight into a tree. Cost me $5500, but I didn't try to blame it on the ABS or something.
 

TechBoyJK

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anybody else notice he actually admitted fault in his posts?

Sounds more like someone trying to reconcile (thinking out loud) their mistake and go over any factors than anything.

Yes, he set himself to fit the stereo type, but he didn't come off as much of a douche either. He really wasn't going that fast.

I had some close calls with my Z4 when I first got it. And I usually laughed them off like 'i have no idea what I'm doing'.
 

Nebor

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Wow.

That's pretty impressive on a straight, dry, good surfaced road at a slow speed, with a car that's got a bunch of driving aids and handles pretty well.

Maybe BMW should look into issuing a recall. I bet every M4 turns sharply to the left and jumps a curb when you floor it on a perfect road.
 

Markbnj

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anybody else notice he actually admitted fault in his posts?

Sounds more like someone trying to reconcile (thinking out loud) their mistake and go over any factors than anything.

Yes, he set himself to fit the stereo type, but he didn't come off as much of a douche either. He really wasn't going that fast.

I had some close calls with my Z4 when I first got it. And I usually laughed them off like 'i have no idea what I'm doing'.

Yes, it was buried in about four paragraphs of excuses.