That's what I'll be waiting on. 23GB Blu Ray discs are alright, but at 46GBs, it will have me sold. This would be a great backup solution.
That's what I'll be waiting on. 23GB Blu Ray discs are alright, but at 46GBs, it will have me sold. This would be a great backup solution.
CD. Are we seeing a pattern here?
DVD+R
Digital Video Disc Reader?discs can be written to once. The + format is supported by Sony, Philips, HP, Dell, Ricoh, Yamaha and other manufacturers.
The Blu-ray format is being developed by the Blu-ray founders group comprising the following companies: Hitachi, LG, Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and Thomson. Mitsubishi joined the group in 2003 and Dell and HP have recently announced their support.
DVD+R is doing OK, as is DVD-R (-R from the same people as HD-DVD), and the CD format seems to have managed to survive.
The BluRay is a forum type thing, it's not just Sony doing their own stupid a$$ thing (thankfully), so it may work.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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That is very wrong! Neither HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs can be read in current DVD players. However DVDs can be read in both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray drives.
The video codec only, dubbed VC9, from Windows Media Player9 will be included in the HD-DVD spec, but I don't see how that has any bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the format war.
There are three main video codes:
MPEG2 - DVDs and current HDTV broadcasts are encoded in this.
VC9
MPEG4-AVC High Profile
In my opinion, HD-DVD will end up supporting all three codecs and Blu-Ray will support only MPEG2 and MPEG4. Though, none of it is really set in stone, especially for Blu-Ray.
45/blank....so that means each PS3 game will cost....
200 dollars
They should just call it the Neo Geo 3
200 dollars
They should just call it the Neo Geo 3
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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That's quite the knee jerk reaction.
1) PS3 games won't be sold on rewritable media, so the discs will not cost 45 dollar a piece.
2) The PS3 won't be out for another 2 years. You think, possibly, the price of media will come down by then?:roll:
Do you really think Sony will be buying the Blu-Rays discs from that online retailer at that price??? Come on people, do you entirely leave common-sense out when you visit this forum.
No sh!t, WTF? When writable DL media was introduced it was about $20 per disc. Does that mean the DVD movies where $100? :roll:
So
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My prediction? Blu-Ray will catch on in the PC world, but movies will not adopt it. The DVD caught on because it was a significant improvement over VHS for the average Joe, even with a mediocre TV and sound system. The consumer will not see a huge difference with Blu-ray and will not want to plunk donw the $$. Besides, VHS was 20 years old when DVD came along, people were ready for a change, they had bought their VCRs years ago, and they were willing to invest again. Now DVD is only 5 years out of the gate, people are still switching to DVD and there are still movies being released for the first time on DVD. I just can't see the public biting.
On the PC side, we really can use the higher density media, and burners will surely be backwards compatible, plus recordable DVDs had such a time deciding on a standard that they're just now starting to get entrenched.
All in all, if Blu-Ray is a huge success I will be shocked. I predict a Zip like demise.
On the PC side, we really can use the higher density media, and burners will surely be backwards compatible, plus recordable DVDs had such a time deciding on a standard that they're just now starting to get entrenched.
All in all, if Blu-Ray is a huge success I will be shocked. I predict a Zip like demise.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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Meh, people doubted that HDTV programming would ever take off given the small big screen TV market. Now a large portion of network programming is available in HD and a dozen other cable/satellite channels as well.
Home theater continually gets relegated as a niche that isn't representative of the entire market. Well that niche is worth billions of dollars a year and is growing at a phenomenal rate.
Zip = A proprietary format backed only by Iomega
Blu-Ray = A proprietary format backed by virtually every major consumer electronic company on the planet.
The question now is regarding the content creators and which format they intend on supporting. Sony owns Columbia-Tristar so expect an influx of HD movies coming from them. Disney, Time Warner, and MGM are a couple other publishers and they haven't decided which format to back, Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Supposedly Sony and TW are in talks of buying MGM, so if Sony gets the merger you can expect more titles coming out for Blu-Ray.
I bought my first DVD player in 96
Anyway. I think HD DVD will win with the home market.
Blueray will do ok on the PC's. We'll probably end up having dual players for some time though.
Anyway. I think HD DVD will win with the home market.
Blueray will do ok on the PC's. We'll probably end up having dual players for some time though.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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Neither next generation format is going to hit the consumer market before late 2005, about 8 years after DVD.
It quite honestly isn't up to Joe Consumer. DVD hardware has become a commodity and electronics companies are clamoring to release a successor to put atop their price structure. The technology will slowly come down in price and trickle down the product line until Joe Consumer doesn't have any choice but to buy a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD capable device. At some point all drives will read blue laser discs. Just look at the big screen market. How many companies still manufacturer large 4:3 non-HD televisions? Compare that number to just a few years ago.
Sure it seems greedy from a consumer standpoint. Why obsolete a product simply because you aren't making as much money off it? Greedy or not, the home theater crowd anxiously awaits their arrival. And one way or another they'll drag the rest of the market kicking and screaming into HD movies, just like they did for HD television. And we'll all be better off for it.
Anubis
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teh disks hold what 23GB thats 2$ a GB fusking DVDs were more expensive then thet when they came out
Oyeve
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Originally posted by: MichaelD
$45 for ONE Blue Ray blank disc! :shocked:
I'll take a case, please.
Thanks for the info, NightCrawler.
I remember when CD burners first came out and a blank disc was $100. Now that is one exspensive coaster! I remember making one and my boss yelled the crap at me!
I thought the only reason HD-DVD and Blu-Ray drives could read DVDs (and CDs?) was because they have a second laser for that or something. Or at least drives that can read both HD-DVD and Blu-ray will have to have 2 lasers...
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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Yes Blu-Ray drives will able to read CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray media because it has a 3 laser head (infrared, red, and blue). I'm not entirely sure how HD-DVD drives will read the older media. Something similar I would guess.
At first when I read the title I thought it said the burner was $30,000 :Q 3K, although steep, is not that high fior sucha an introductory product. The thing you should be asking yourself is how long does that media take to burn 26Gigs !!! :Q
This internal burner is over 3x less than the set-top version available about 10 months ago from sony !
This internal burner is over 3x less than the set-top version available about 10 months ago from sony !
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