BLuetooth? What is bluetooth?

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Mannkind

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Originally posted by: merlocka
There are alot of "almost right" comments in this thread. Let me try to clear a few up.

What is Bluetooth?

Bluetooth is a wireless PAN (personal area network) protocol which operates in the 2.4GHz (ISM) band. The same band as 802.11b/g, many cordless phones, and a few other consumer gadgets. Bluetooth uses a spread-spectrum technology called FHSS (frequency hopping). There are 79 1MHz channels (2.402GHZ - 2.480GHz). The radio hops from channel to channel in a pseudo-random order (defined by the connection master device) at a rate of 1600 hops per second. Try to use a sniffer on that ;)

What does it do?

The common verbage for Bluetooth is a "cable replacement" technology. That's pretty close, but you need to clarify what cables you want replaced ;) .

There are a few main usage models for Bluetooth. These are referred to as "profiles" as they define how the connection between 2 devices behaves in the protocol stack.

1) Audio (handsfree, headset, cordless phone) - this type of connection will send mono voice quality audio in full-duplex between up to 3 devices.

Some typical applications here are
- Bluetooth headset for your cellphone (these are addicting)
- Handsfree car kits (that activate once your phone is in range and route the audio through the auto's handfree voice system)
- Cordless telephony (this isn't quite available yet, but you will soon be able to use your Bluetooth enabled phone as a cordless phone in your home and handoff to your carrier when you leave the house).

2) Data (serial port / USB port) - there are several profiles which basically use a serial port connection with a twist. This would be for sync'ing PDA's, transferring files amongst files, games, windows networking, etc.

Some typical applications here are
- PDA's can use Bluetooth to automatically sync with your desktop PC.
- Wireless keyboards and mice for Bluetooth enabled desktops/laptops.
- Printers
- Basic networking between portable devices (laptops, pda's etc)

There are many more applications, but those are the main ones.

How far away will it work?

That's a trick question. As with anything RF, YMMV. Some applications will have better radios/antennas than others.

There are 3 "classes" for the power of the Bluetooth radio transmitter. Class 1,2,3

Class 1 is a high power device (0dBm to 20dBm with power control). If two Class 1 devices are connected, range can be equal to or better than even the best WLAN connections.

Class 2 is what most typical consumer devices will be (-6dBm to +4dBm). Range can be expected to be between 10 to 20 meters.

Class 3 is a low power implementation ( > 0dBm). Range will be a couple of meters.

The throughput is only 1Mbps / 720kbps / too slow!!!

The symbol rate for Bluetooth is 1Mbps, just like the symbol rate for 802.11b is 11Mbps (max or 5.5,2,1). That doesn't mean you can use all 11Mbps. With a windows TCP/IP stack, you can generally expect about half that in TCP/IP throughput.

Bluetooth data connections are asymmetric, the max throughput depends on the connection (packet) type.
Here is a pretty good summary of the speeds in various modes. In summary, the max on-way throughput is 723.2kbps but when you get down to a file transfer or a practical test, you will see less than half that.

That is a typical "reason" why many people think Bluetooth "sucks". The reality is that it's a benchmark people are familiar with missapplied to Bluetooth. Who cares how fast Bluetooth does TCP/IP when just about every single laptop or PC which will have it embedded will also have WLAN. If you have WLAN, why the hell are you sending files with Bluetooth.

Bluetooth throughput rate is adequate for the things it does well. Keyboards, mice, voice-quality audio, sync-ing. As Bluetooth matures, the spec will provision for faster data rates, just like 802.11b allowed for the faster 5.5Mbps and 11Mbps rates from 802.11.



That's enough for now, hope my typo's weren't too bad. I'll add a few more items onto this if anyone cares. post a couple questions and I'll try my best to answer them.


Good info, so I was close. :) I think bluetooth is a good idea. I figured I'd have no use for it at first, but I realized its pretty cool.
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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bah, Bluetooh's uses are a little restrictive right now. Because of it's slow speed/short distance, it is often (but not always) more practical to either use either a cable or 802.11a/b/g.
IMHO, the real technology to look out for will be UWB wireless communications. With recent FCC approval, low power and 100+ mbit/s speeds. These make PANs much more popular and useful.

UWB linkage
 

Martin

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BT will be great once it stops being a feature you have to pay extra for and becomes a part of everything.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
bah, Bluetooh's uses are a little restrictive right now. Because of it's slow speed/short distance, it is often (but not always) more practical to either use either a cable or 802.11a/b/g.
IMHO, the real technology to look out for will be UWB wireless communications. With recent FCC approval, low power and 100+ mbit/s speeds. These make PANs much more popular and useful.

UWB linkage

UWB has its on problems. Not with the useage and such, just the implementation. Lets just say the FCC may have been too lax when designating allowable signal levels.
 

Jzero

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Bluetooth is that tech that *SHOULD* have been built-in to Gameboy Advance but wasn't.
 

merlocka

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
bah, Bluetooh's uses are a little restrictive right now. Because of it's slow speed/short distance, it is often (but not always) more practical to either use either a cable or 802.11a/b/g.
IMHO, the real technology to look out for will be UWB wireless communications. With recent FCC approval, low power and 100+ mbit/s speeds. These make PANs much more popular and useful.

UWB linkage

UWB has some definate merits for short range, very high bandwidth applications. Video seems to be the "juice" for UWB in the industry right now, e.g. connection between TV, STB, DVD, etc...

UWB, however, is not without problems and it will be some time before UWB radio's are anywhere near the pricepoints and power consumption of Bluetooth today. I expect that WLAN will eat UWB's lunch in consumer devices such as digital camera's, audio, gameboy, PDA, etc. Video seems to be WLAN's red-head stepchild and with the delays in 802.11e QOS, there is a definate video app that UWB can leverage.

Time will tell. After all, Beta was way better than VHS ;)



 

NickE

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I love Bluetooth - this is the list of things I have using it at the moment:

Nokia 6310i mobile phone - nice to be able to back up phonebooks etc. to your PC, synchronise address books with Outlook...

Jabra BT200 headset for the phone ( www.jabra.com ) - gives excellent handsfree operation of the phone, including voice dialling and auto-answer without wires trailing everywhere. Useful when you use hire cars etc., or simply out and about (bicycling etc.).

Compaq iPaq H3660 with BT CF card - wireless internet, email and synchronisation either via the mobile or desktop PC with its BT dongle. Very easy to sit downstairs watching television, downloading stuff to the iPaq via the main PC's ADSL connection upstairs.

BMW 5 Series - integrated BT phone system, as you get into the car, it recognises the phone in your pocket/briefcase or wherever and sets it up fully integrated with the car audio system.

Other great but simple things, most Bluetooth stacks now include Business Card as a standard feature, both the iPaq and 6310i have this. When you meet someone, no more exchanging bits of cardboard, simply send your electronic business card via BT and it goes straight into phonebook/Pocket Outlook.

Lots more applications coming along - Bluetooth GPS receivers are very convenient, less wires etc.
BT Printing works but it's pretty slow, alothough not bad for short text files e.g. emails.
Next stage being investigated by people like Toshiba and LG is integrating Bluetooth into household appliances, so the fridge and freezer can talk to the microwave and cooker; more interesting is when this combines with smart tags on food, clothes etc. - fridge and freezer keep track of stock, re-order via the PC's internet connection, then tell the microwave how to cook what's just been taken out. The list goes on.:D
 

0roo0roo

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i send videos and contacts etc to my cellphone using bluetooth. you can also use wireless headsets. bluetooth dongles can be had off ebay for 30 shipped. "pen blue"
 

Originally posted by: Jzero
Bluetooth is that tech that *SHOULD* have been built-in to Gameboy Advance but wasn't.
Christ, imagine trying to pair a couple of gameboys :Q
 

i3rYs0n

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The gameboy thing would be sweet, especially in the middle of class. Imagine being in 5th grade with your hands halfway in your desk playing your friend who sits across the class, lol

Bryson

Oh yeah i have bluetooth in this laptop (12.1 1gz apple powebook), but have yet to find a use for it
 

Well Nintendo and Motorola are making a wireless adapter for the GBA.
Nintendo Teams Up With Motorola To Make Wireless Adapter

September 26, 2003 - Nintendo has enlisted the help of Motorola to create a wireless adapter for the GameBoy Advance. The as-of-yet un-priced adapter will allow 5 players to compete against each other in a small area.
The first two announced titles are - surprise, surprise - Pokemon games. Pokemon FireRed and Pokemon LeafGreen will be launched in Japan in the first half of 2004. Photos of the wireless adapter can be seen here and here, and the full press release can be read here.
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/451/451718p1.html?fromint=1
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: dwell
Well Nintendo and Motorola are making a wireless adapter for the GBA.
Nintendo Teams Up With Motorola To Make Wireless Adapter

September 26, 2003 - Nintendo has enlisted the help of Motorola to create a wireless adapter for the GameBoy Advance. The as-of-yet un-priced adapter will allow 5 players to compete against each other in a small area.
The first two announced titles are - surprise, surprise - Pokemon games. Pokemon FireRed and Pokemon LeafGreen will be launched in Japan in the first half of 2004. Photos of the wireless adapter can be seen here and here, and the full press release can be read here.
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/451/451718p1.html?fromint=1

Finally. But of course, it's proprietary and only useful for GBA.
 

Slickone

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I was hoping there were bluetooth adapters that'll turn my USB printer, and USB scanner, into cordless. If not,I need a new printer and scanner anyway. But after reading this, guess it'd be too slow.

So BT can only do mono audio? No BT gaming or music mic/headsets...

I'm weary of anything to do with Sony.

Does anyone else beside me keep trying to type blootooth?
 

rh71

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I thought Bluetooth required line-of-sight. Is this not true anymore or wasn't true ever ?