Blue Screen of Death after changing to Phenom 9850

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imported_ouranos

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Hi all,

previously i was using the 5600+ on a 780G motherboard with 8 GB ram and everything is fine on Vista X64 Business

However, after changing the processor to the 9850, blue screen frequently appear and i can do nothing. Although I had tried to reinstall the windows, the same problem stiff appear.

Anyone can help me a bit? Thanks!
 
Scotteq

Scotteq

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For a new Processor, the first thing I'd do is:

(1) Make sure to reset the Bios to stock settings - Clear the CMOS
(2) Update to the latest Bios from a C prompt (NEVER from within Windows)
(3) Then try the new Proc again.
 
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v8envy

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And people kept arguing with me saying nobody would try to match a value board with the 125w Phenoms. Yet one more data point in my favor. And yup, your board is most likely a goner now. You're lucky you just got bluescreens instead of the board catching on fire.

Wonder how many peeps are RMAing 770 and 780G boards they've accidentally killed by installing an unsupported CPU, knowingly or unknowingly...
 
bryanW1995

bryanW1995

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well, it seems logical to me to actually do a little bit of research to make sure that your mobo supports a specific cpu before dropping $235 + on said cpu. but that's just me :confused:

having said that, *I* would be pissed if I bought a 780g mobo for phenom only to find out that it wouldn't run my phenom of choice :frown:
 
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bradley

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Ouranos, you didn't say which 680G you're running. I've seen several reports of people pairing the 9850 along with the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H without a problem. My mom is running this same board with a 5000+ BE overclocked to 3.3GHz. I would put some heatsinks on the mosfets and pwm, and direct a fan in that area, before giving up on the board.
 
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aigomorla

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welcome to my nightmare i had op.

Couldnt get the phenom NOT to bluescreen when overclocked.

Thats all i would see blue screen blue screen and blue screen once overclocking went in.

And after the first day of trying to fix it, it fubard my windows up so bad, i had to resintall. And repeat the blue screen saga.

Ultimately i gave up. I give you the best of luck tho. Tony from OCZ took one up to 3ghz+ and stressed it fine. It had problems higher the 3.3ghz if i remember correctly.

oh and it was on water too.
 
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Viditor

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You will need to make sure that the 780G board you buy is 9850BE compatible...

The problem is that the mobo manufacturers didn't expect people buying a high-end 9850BE to want a lower end 780G mobo...there are 2 problems with that ASSumption:

1. The 9850 is really cheap
2. The 780G performs really well at the high end

The issue is that for low cost mobos, the manufacturers reduce the amount of cooling and power system costs for the chipset in order to keep the price down...the 9850BE requires greater support in both areas.
IIRC, there are only 3 mobos that are certified for the 9850BE at the moment...
 
bryanW1995

bryanW1995

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not trying to dump on amd here, but how crazy is it that high end amd systems are now often more expensive than high end intel systems???

ip 35 e has been 65-70 AR for months
Q6600 is around 200

9850 be is 235
any mobo that can run this is over $100



this is just getting ridiculous.
 
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imported_ouranos

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Apr 25, 2008
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Oh, really??? I guess the 780G is ok for that actually..
as you guys know, the 790 FX is totally useless if i am not a gamer...
and..the reason for I buy the 780G is that...it run on SB700..which has 6 SATA port..

I am using the ECS 780-A one...currently..so seems it is the point for the problem after checking you guys post...

so...seems I must buy a 790X or 790FX broad?
 
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Wogdog

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Looks like the 790 board is the way to go, I have a GA-M770 and 9850 is not supported. Board is only 2 months old and I bought for the B3 stepping quad, and am kinda pissed.
 
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bradley

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CPU power requirements have changed tremendously over the past eight years. It's true that motherboard manufacturers probably haven't responded with enough emphasis on cooling crucial parts surrounding the CPU. However, add a very fast IGP -- such as found on the 780G -- and not only does power and heat increase, but manufacturing costs increase as well. I'm disappointed that the inherent limitations of the Micro ATX form factor itself also aren't being fully recognized here.

And yet, there are some things that will never change. Early adopters of first generation hardware will always be considered guinea pigs. And as such, they should never expect to purchase a fully mature product.

That being said, to the OP, I would actually find a forum where people are actively using AMD products to post your question. There are definitely several 780G boards that can indeed easily run 125W cpus without any extra cooling. For instance, the ASUS M3A-H/HDMI ($110) and the Gigabyte GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H ($105) SAPPHIRE PI-AM2RS780G ($85,) all being sold currently on Newegg, all with the ability to run 125W cpus. I'll even bet after a few well placed heatsinks and fans, for just a few extra dollars, perhaps even the ECS 780G board would have that 125W capability. I personally wouldn't chance it though. :)
 
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felixW

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Originally posted by: bradley
....There are definitely several 780G boards that can indeed easily run 125W cpus without any extra cooling. For instance, the ASUS M3A-H/HDMI ($110) and the Gigabyte GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H ($105) SAPPHIRE PI-AM2RS780G ($85,) all being sold currently on Newegg, all with the ability to run 125W cpus. .....
Click to expand...

Just a detail:
The GA-MA78G-DS3H does not support the 9850 for sure (see CPU support for GA-MA78G-DS3H)...and the weird thing is that the 9750 125W one is supported...i wish someone could explain this...

I was also planning to get one GA-MA770DS3 (with a future Phenom 9850 upgrade in mind) but fortunately waited long till Cpu support page for this was updated after the release of the B3's.First week Gbyte showed for the 9850 the following comment : " Supported since Bios Version F4 (Not officially suported)" ...After a week this was replaced with "N/A"... but the 9750 125W seems to be supported (that doesn't make sense)...

I contacted Gbyte and they responded that the 9850 is not supported and that i should buy instead a 790X/FX board.

 
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ther00kie16

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Another thing to check may be nVidia's offerings such as the 8200. Also, certain companies' 780g do support the 9850 as can be seen on this page at Anand's.
The 6th comment mentions a response to the article that "BIOSTAR confirms Phenom 9850 will run on TA780G M2+ AMD 780G board "
link
Newegg has it but the thing to note is that it doesn't have HDMI. Also, Gigabyte pulled the 9850 from their official support list so it's use at your own risk but having it on there before makes me think that it'll work at stock speed, which one of the posters on that page had.
By the way, did you get the 9850 for overclocking? If you want to overclock, never go with a ECS board because they are only reliable for stock speeds.
 
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