Blue-Ray VS HD-DVD The Untold Story.

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Velk

Originally posted by: videoclone
Why cant they just make Dual Combo drives like they did for CD - DVD

They can, but then they need to pay royalties to both camps and they will cost twice as much.

No it won't. The licensing fee does not double the price. I do not know the fees for either camp, but the WMV9 decoder costs 25 cents in licensing. It is already there, so no charge again. I would suspect the fee to be somewhere between 50 cents and 5 dollars.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
What would you think of the bluray drive cost $300 and the HD-DVD drive cost $150?

The technology for burning them is different. Also, there is the liscenscing thing. Liscenscing costs from sony will probably drive up the price of bluray media to above $10 for a Bluray-RW on release.

So you have seen drives retail costs? Somehow I think they will both be more expensive than you say, probably closer to $500 to start off (not including current BluRay drives in Japan) in the US.

IMO Sony have a double edged sword on their hands. Should BluRay become the defacto format (which I hope it will) it could make it easier to copy PS3 titles which could cost them.

 

[SGtheArtist]

That's a good point DeathReborn.

If Blu-ray and HD-DVD movies, media & drives cost a significant premium then i'll gladly continue to purchase the current DVDs (hopefully the producers will continue to produce the movies on the older format like they currently do for VHS).

Besides I can create a DVD server with the current standard thanks to software available online but with Blu-ray & HD-DVD the new copy protection will requie people to take good care of their discs since they won't be able to make backups.

 

[Nick5324]

Originally posted by: mcmanager

Tech doesn't always win. I can think of a number of cases of this.

So can I.

Sony's Betamax which had better video quality and also had a large number of movie distributors on board. Heck, I had Batman on Betamax.
Sony's minidisc format.
Sony's atrac format.
Sony's Bluray format...

Er...nevermind.

Exactly what I was thinking. Bluray may end up being the better format, we'll have to wait and see what happens. If they can mass produce in the near future, and the cost is competitive, then it should win out. Those are two big IF's though....

 

[ArneBjarne]

Originally posted by: Velk

Originally posted by: ArneBjarne

More disputing for you:

Microsoft and Intel's announcement erroneously indicates that HD-DVD has an advantage in a number of areas. To set the record straight, here are the facts:


Capacity: Blu-ray Disc's capacity is 50GB. This will be available at
launch for BD-ROM, BD-R, and BD-RE. This is 67% more than HD-DVD's 30GB
ROM capacity and 150% more than its recordable storage capacity -- a
critical issue for computer users.

I would have to question the integrity of the article's author for including outrageous marketing deceptions like that.

Until the addition of 30GB R discs to the HD-DVD spec, there was only 15GB HD-DVD R and 20GB HD-DVD RW. 50GB BD-R and BD-RE, would therefore have an exactly 150% larger capacity than the max 20GB of the HD-DVD RW.

Considering that addition to the HD-DVD spec was first mentioned only the week before HP made that statement, it is obviously those numbers they are refering to. You may argue that they should have indluded it even though the addition was very recent (and not even formally a standard until version 2.0 of the spec is released next year) indicating that it is certainly not as far along as the 15GB R and 20GB RW discs.

At best you can say that they should have been nice and included the 30 GB R disc on the same level as the older confirmed discs, while at the same time keeping the 100GB BD-R disc out of the comparison, but I think that is a bit much to expect from any side. Hell, HD-DVD didn't even want to count 50GB BD discs in any form ROM, R or RW, though they are much further along.

 

[HO]

I scanned the thread real quick, so I may have missed it if anyone made this point.

I work with a service that evaluates technology for investment purposes. The conclusion reached by its researchers is that ALL formats are losers. This is not because of inherent flaws in the technologies per se, but because the "disc" as a vehicle for distribution of "content" has come to the end of its life cycle. Look for major changes sooner rather than later.

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: Nick5324

Originally posted by: mcmanager

Tech doesn't always win. I can think of a number of cases of this.

So can I.

Sony's Betamax which had better video quality and also had a large number of movie distributors on board. Heck, I had Batman on Betamax.
Sony's minidisc format.
Sony's atrac format.
Sony's Bluray format...

Er...nevermind.

Exactly what I was thinking. Bluray may end up being the better format, we'll have to wait and see what happens. If they can mass produce in the near future, and the cost is competitive, then it should win out. Those are two big IF's though....

First of all I don't really care about blueray or hd-dvd crap.. this is nothing more then marketing and hype that are trying to get all the rish people to invest in and make more money for them. In another 5 years down the road, we're lucky if all are using DVD DL when it is affordable and blueray is probably the next best thing around the corner. Aren't you fed up with speculation, promises that don't deliver?

 

[wchou]

The same goes for broadband, most of us do not see much increase in speed even when VDSL, VDSL+, ADSL2, ADSL2+ have long been available. Some upgraded to 3.0mbit which took 5 years to implement and some are still on 1.5mbit because it is cheaper. The question comes down to do you need more then 4.7gb or 8.5gb??? Can most afford it much like DVD DL when it came out in 2004 that cost an arm, and a leg. I will probably never buy DL because it cost 10 times as much still, why pay more for 80 percent more capacity when 10 SL can store 47gb?

 

[dainthomas]

None of this matters. Whichever format the pr0n industry goes with will be the winner. End of story.

 

[SGtheArtist]

/\ LOL true.

People like their p0rn.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: dainthomas
None of this matters. Whichever format the pr0n industry goes with will be the winner. End of story.

that would have to be the one without massive content protection measures.

do people really want their players sending back info over the net or phone when they pop in some pr0n?

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: SGtheArtist
/\ LOL true.

People like their p0rn.

Porn are for perverts. 90 percent of majority do not like it. It's for people who can't get laid. What sore losers.

 

[batmanuel]

Who wants to take a bet that both formats will crash and burn horribly just like SACD and DVD-Audio? If I already have a decent collection of DVDs to begin with, why should I go through another incredibly expensive upgrade cycle when I can just get a HMDI-capable DVD player that can do a decent job of upconverting the SD DVDs? Sure, it's not going to look nearly as nice, but I bet it'll be a decent enough solution that the majority of the buyers out there will pass over both HD video formats, just as they passed over HD audio for CDs that were still good enough for their purposes.

 

[djnsmith7]

I haven't read through all of these replies on this debate, but I'm going to add this...

It really is too bad that all of these large companies couldn't put their pride aside & actually give a damn about the consumer for just ONCE. It really is too bad that the only thing that ever matters to a company, particularly the large ones, is the bottom line.

Now, keep in mind, having 2 separate technologies to choose from does have its Pros, as well as several Cons. IMHO, the 1st Pro that comes to mind is providing the consumer with the option to choose. This is usually a good thing from a business standpoint because it leads to friendly competition. Friendly competition generally leads to more competitive pricing.

With these 2 technologies battling it out like Godzilla vs. King Kong, I don't really see a price war coming anytime soon. Because they have distinctly chosen to take completely different paths for their technology, it's almost going to be like Microsoft competing with Intel. Well, you can't really compare those two because they do different things.

Another thing to keep in mind here, these technologies aren't really mainstream yet. What I mean is, go up to 10 people at your local grocery store & ask them which technology they think they'll go with upon release. At least 8 of those 10 people will look at you like you're crazy. Why? Because this hasn't hit national advertising & marketing yet at the mainstream level. So, beware average consumer, because you're about to be blasted with more technological information than you're prepared for.

Bottom line here is this...Having 2 separate technologies will hurt the general public / average consumer more than it will help the economy. Why? Because we would be much better off with one inexpensive, cost-effective solution.

 

[SGtheArtist]

"Porn are for perverts. 90 percent of majority do not like it. It's for people who can't get laid. What sore losers. "

Well then there sure are a lot of "perverts" out there considering that p0rn is a multi-BILLION dollar/year industry.

"90 percent of majority do not like it" > you must be living in Mongolia or some remote location where paper is considered technology. You must be a monk, because even married couples enjoy p0rn.

 

[SonicIce]

as long as i can get The Matrix in HD, im good

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
What would you think of the bluray drive cost $300 and the HD-DVD drive cost $150?

The technology for burning them is different. Also, there is the liscenscing thing. Liscenscing costs from sony will probably drive up the price of bluray media to above $10 for a Bluray-RW on release.

that is pwnage right there.

 

[dexvx]

Oh god, BlueRay = Sony Hype Machine.

Do you really eat up everything Sony has to say about BD's? Most hardware sites indicate that 50GB discs are a possibility, but they arent even on the radar blip in terms of feasibility. As of now, 50GB BD-DVD's are pretty much vaporware; there has not been a live demonstration of such a device. Also, you'd better hope HD-DVD will win, because if BD does, its like installing spyware everytime you play a movie.