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Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD
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Linflas
Lifer
Originally Blue Ray disks needed a cartridge because they scratched like crazy, I remember reading something about them finding a way to make them more scratch resistant but I never heard if they removed the cartridge form the shipping design. The blue ray media still costs a ton more the DVD and HD-DVD. The consumer won't see much of a difference until you go to buy blank media.
Privateman
Member
I want to be able to store my HD content on my media server so that would rule out Blue-ray.
PricklyPete
Lifer
The games cost $60, so manufacturing plays very little into the cost of the game.
With movies it is different where the manufacturing plays a larger roll. With DVD, we are able to buy movies for dirt cheap because it is dirt cheap to make them ($5 DVD's at Walmart). HD-DVD should have a similar situation in the near future...while Blue Ray will likely take a lot longer before we can have movies available at those prices.
But one is the industry standard, the other isnt.
Sony is trying to sell their more expensive player with very little real advantage to the consumer. Just like Betamax.
Proprietary garbage like blu-ray, betamax, memory sticks, their own music format for their media players, and other crap, is what makes me hate Sony.
Even moreso than their stealing of other peoples technology and inability to make things that dont get recalled and/or explode.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
Could be wrong (and I'm sure someone will prove me wrong) but I thought only Blu-Ray supported mpeg2. I personally don't want it supported at all because this can just allow direct transfers which equals potential lower quality (i.e. the initial batch of Blu-Ray movies).
Voted for HD-DVD mainly because I have a player. 😛
Voted for HD-DVD mainly because I have a player. 😛
AMDZen
Lifer
There really needs to be an updated anlysis done on this debate.
The last one clearly said that the manufacturing facilities that could make these discs benefited HD-DVD. As someone else already said, this is because you could simply upgrade the machines churning out DVD's to accomadate HD-DVDs. Where as BD needed all new manufacturing equipment - or even, all new manufacturing facilities.
Maybe whoever is manufacturing these discs are losing some money on them, or perhaps its simply that the studios who put their content on BD's aren't making as much as they would be with HD-DVD's. What I do know is that there are now lots of movies being released on both formats, something which was also said not to be happening. This is because some movie studios have chosen to support both formats. And Overall, I think the number of movies on HD-DVD is still ahead of BD, even though estimates in July/August said that by years end, BD would have a lot more movies out for it. I also remember reading on more then one article, that 4 layer HD-DVD's would still be cheaper to produce then 2 layer BD's. Making the space advantage sony had with BD irrelevant. I remember reading some conflicting data that said 4 layer BD's would take a few years to come out, if they ever did. So we would have 2 layer HD-DVDs at first, and only single layer BD's - making HD-DVD have the space advantage right away with 30GB versus 25GB, and that as soon as BD's were released at 50GB, HD-DVD 4 layer discs would be at 60GB - leaving them with the advantage still - and until BD gets 4 layers which as I said, these articles said would take lots of time.
The fact is that somehow Sony and company have dodged all of these complaints that the overall tech community has had and, other then the cost of actual players - have overcome the other main issues that tech magazines and editors had before. It doesn't seem that BD costs more even though it does, I mean media wise. So I'm curious where they make up this ground, at the manufacturer level or content level.
The only advantage HD-DVD seems to have ATM is the cost of hardware. HD-DVD drives for both home theatre and PC are cheaper, and already out on laptops (I don't know why you would need one on a laptop) where as BD players are a grand whether its on the PC or home theatre.
So any way - if anyone can find an actual up to date read on these formats I'd like to see it. And if you guys see what I see, which are old articles - most of which were written before Blue Ray even came out, or in some cases before either format came out, lets write the necessary people and ask for up to date info.
The last one clearly said that the manufacturing facilities that could make these discs benefited HD-DVD. As someone else already said, this is because you could simply upgrade the machines churning out DVD's to accomadate HD-DVDs. Where as BD needed all new manufacturing equipment - or even, all new manufacturing facilities.
Maybe whoever is manufacturing these discs are losing some money on them, or perhaps its simply that the studios who put their content on BD's aren't making as much as they would be with HD-DVD's. What I do know is that there are now lots of movies being released on both formats, something which was also said not to be happening. This is because some movie studios have chosen to support both formats. And Overall, I think the number of movies on HD-DVD is still ahead of BD, even though estimates in July/August said that by years end, BD would have a lot more movies out for it. I also remember reading on more then one article, that 4 layer HD-DVD's would still be cheaper to produce then 2 layer BD's. Making the space advantage sony had with BD irrelevant. I remember reading some conflicting data that said 4 layer BD's would take a few years to come out, if they ever did. So we would have 2 layer HD-DVDs at first, and only single layer BD's - making HD-DVD have the space advantage right away with 30GB versus 25GB, and that as soon as BD's were released at 50GB, HD-DVD 4 layer discs would be at 60GB - leaving them with the advantage still - and until BD gets 4 layers which as I said, these articles said would take lots of time.
The fact is that somehow Sony and company have dodged all of these complaints that the overall tech community has had and, other then the cost of actual players - have overcome the other main issues that tech magazines and editors had before. It doesn't seem that BD costs more even though it does, I mean media wise. So I'm curious where they make up this ground, at the manufacturer level or content level.
The only advantage HD-DVD seems to have ATM is the cost of hardware. HD-DVD drives for both home theatre and PC are cheaper, and already out on laptops (I don't know why you would need one on a laptop) where as BD players are a grand whether its on the PC or home theatre.
So any way - if anyone can find an actual up to date read on these formats I'd like to see it. And if you guys see what I see, which are old articles - most of which were written before Blue Ray even came out, or in some cases before either format came out, lets write the necessary people and ask for up to date info.
AMDZen
Lifer
Its not like pr0n is high quality even today. If you pay attention (and I do), you can see that even those released on DVD today aren't total 480p quality. They upscale it. You think pr0n producers are going to shed out for HD cameras so they can release 1080p pr0n? They might actually have 480 lines of res now, and it will just be upscaled to 1080i or something. Serious
KentState
Diamond Member
There is a lot of support outside of Sony for Blu-ray. On the PC side, companies like Dell, Apple, and Sony are fully backing it and will include it in their computers. The movie studios are ethier supporting both or just Blu-ray.
The cost of a true 1080p player for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray are a grand. Comparing a 1080i HD-DVD player to the current Blu-ray models for price is not realistic. Movies are the same price and very close to that of a regular DVD.
The cost of a true 1080p player for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray are a grand. Comparing a 1080i HD-DVD player to the current Blu-ray models for price is not realistic. Movies are the same price and very close to that of a regular DVD.
Sheep
Golden Member
I REALLY don't think you want to see most of your favorite porn stars in HD. DVD was enough to reveal lots of little details that VHS hid. :Q
Porn's not going to be anywhere near as important in the HDDVD/Blu-Ray battle as it was in VHS and Betamax due to the fact that anyone with an internet connection has 24/7 access to all the porn they could ever wish for.
RallyMaster
Diamond Member
Whichever's cheaper when I buy a player in....3 years.
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