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Blu-ray is the new DVD as far as advertising goes.
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shortylickens
No Lifer
Damn near all blu-rays have Prohibted User Operations just like most DVD's.
You cant always skip the previews, you cant skip the FBI warning, none of that.
I learned how to take of PUO's in DVDShrink but I dunno what I'm gonna do for blu-rays. If anything.
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
How do these functions work, does it just tell the blu-ray player to lock out features? So could a specially designed player just not bother to listen to those features and let the user do what they want? Sounds like it could be a good selling point for a player.
Or guess you could rip it to AVI then just play it in WMP and skip whatever you want.
Or guess you could rip it to AVI then just play it in WMP and skip whatever you want.
Jeff7
Lifer
I know that VLC can skip PUO-coded sections of video; if you've got the Blu-Ray drive on your PC, and your PC's hooked to your TV, then you might be in luck. 😉
Yeah that kind of sucks though. You're already paying for a DVD, supposedly so you can watch the movie without having to be interrupted by commercials when it's played on TV, but instead you're treated to more advertising. And then it of course does the equivalent of flipping you off when you try to say to it "I don't want to watch more goddamn advertising!".
A player that omits these features would be nice, but it probably wouldn't make it to market - as soon as the advertisers found out about this, they'd apply informal pressure, or else legal pressure, to the makers to ensure the feature isn't there. That failing, they'll just execute one family member a night of the company's executives, until the PUO flag is properly obeyed.
Yeah that kind of sucks though. You're already paying for a DVD, supposedly so you can watch the movie without having to be interrupted by commercials when it's played on TV, but instead you're treated to more advertising. And then it of course does the equivalent of flipping you off when you try to say to it "I don't want to watch more goddamn advertising!".
I think that's all it does - takes away the ability of the user to skip past specifically-marked sections of video.
A player that omits these features would be nice, but it probably wouldn't make it to market - as soon as the advertisers found out about this, they'd apply informal pressure, or else legal pressure, to the makers to ensure the feature isn't there. That failing, they'll just execute one family member a night of the company's executives, until the PUO flag is properly obeyed.
shortylickens
No Lifer
People have long ago designed players to do this.
You have to remember that optical discs are static, you cant move the bits on them. All the Prohibited User Operations (PUO's) are is a set of flags on the disc.
If the player you are using is in compliance with all the gay-ass copyright laws, it will check for those flags and adhere to their instructions, like not fastforwarding through the previews or playing outside of the region.
I have not yet found a DRM free blu-ray player, and the only DVD players I can find come from Uzpakistan, and I'm afraid to order those.
When I rip a DVD I just remove all those flags and then never have to worry about them ever again.
Insomniator
Diamond Member
I don't give a shit about ads, I'm just glad that I have not (yet) seen a blue ray that is scratched and just jumps all over the place like 95% of rented DVD's did.
#1 problem with discs over tapes is not being able to see an entire seen because of a scratch.
#1 problem with discs over tapes is not being able to see an entire seen because of a scratch.
There's no point to buying a Blu-ray just to re-encode it into something crappy. Might as well have bought the dvd version instead.
It's an option that is left up to the studio how they want to create their product. Early Blu-ray releases from certain studios had unskippable previews, though you could still set the PS3 to 120x and they flew by in seconds.
I do not believe any studio still does this anymore, all new releases should be skippable with the next button.
techwanabe
Diamond Member
Funny how they advertise a protective layer but most of the problems I have with Netflix BR movies is they wouldn't play due to some scratch, crack or defect, missed half the movie. SO much for their superior disc.
thomsbrain
Lifer
The worst are the advertisements FOR Blu-Ray on your Blu-Ray disc! That's like buying a CD and having to listen to a couple minutes of talking about how good CD's are before you get to listen to the music. NO SHIT, SHERLOCK, THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT IT
If you think about it, most advertising is more annoying than anything & most people don't care for it. BR movies aren't any different than any other form of advertising, even if it is the medium for it. I watch a lot of BR movies, but have been fortunate, up to this point, that my player allows skipping through most previews.
It's the whole throw up on your audience & hope they like at least one line item in the mix (ie. a BR movie they didn't know was out). They figure if you like at least one thing about the advertisements, it was worth totally annoying you as their customer.
It's a tactless way to attract new business & a poor business model from a customer standpoint, but their sales numbers & data analysts tell them it works, so they'll keep doing it. 99.9% of commercials / advertisements are tacky & annoying & don't ever encourage me to buy the advertised product.
On a good number of BR movies, you can hit the Menu button & it will bypass the previews & go straight to the movie options.
It's the whole throw up on your audience & hope they like at least one line item in the mix (ie. a BR movie they didn't know was out). They figure if you like at least one thing about the advertisements, it was worth totally annoying you as their customer.
It's a tactless way to attract new business & a poor business model from a customer standpoint, but their sales numbers & data analysts tell them it works, so they'll keep doing it. 99.9% of commercials / advertisements are tacky & annoying & don't ever encourage me to buy the advertised product.
On a good number of BR movies, you can hit the Menu button & it will bypass the previews & go straight to the movie options.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
Yeah, those are truly annoying, especially since they continue to use the same movies in them - I fail to understand how using clips from 3-year-old movies to encourage me to buy a format I already bought makes any sense whatsoever.
DaveSimmons
Elite Member
Most of the time on the PS3 you can either skip or set the speed to 30x, but it's really annoying when you can't.
I think it's Warner Brothers?l that's even more annoying, where after a few minutes at idle (like a pause to make some popcorn) it goes to a full screen logo that you can't escape from with any of the navigation buttons.
I think it's Warner Brothers?l that's even more annoying, where after a few minutes at idle (like a pause to make some popcorn) it goes to a full screen logo that you can't escape from with any of the navigation buttons.
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
As a general rule, WB movies seem to be pretty good about going straight in to the movie.
I can't recall a single movie my PS3 won't skip the ads for, even the FBI warning most of the time using the latest firmware(yes, that does make a difference).
Those adds are far, far worse on DVD. When they do the pan over so you can see the increase in quality there is no difference on the DVD version. Also, I can assure you those adds have sold additional BRD players, at least a few of them. I have had friends over watchng movies and they were blown away by those little ads, went out and got PS3s for themselves to use as BR players.
DVD. BRD. When I see stuff like that, it certainly impresses me(yes, I went out and bought Braveheart on BRD despite owning it on DVD because of the difference).
Leyawiin
Diamond Member
Blu-Ray is a bunch of hype for many. If you have a TV smaller than 40" and don't sit close BR is a big "meh" anyway. I've got a 37" 1080P with a nice upconverting Pioneer Elite DVD player. Decided to buy a LG BD 370. Rented a few BR movies like X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Prince Caspian, and a few others. What a let down. The IQ wasn't that much better than upconverted DVDs on my Pioneer and the sound quality wasn't as good. Plus two of the five I rent "froze" for up to 10 seconds and then had dialog syncing problems (and I had installed the most recent firmware). And when it came to upconverting my DVD collection the Pioneer shamed the LG BR player (yes, the TV is calibrated). I sent it back. With my current modest set up and huge DVD library its not worth it.
I know I'll get all the usual "your TV must be crap or your eyes are bad if you can't tell the difference!" comments. I can tell the difference and a Blu-Ray movie is better. Its just not that much better to make it worthwhile for me to buy a player and start a BR collection at this point.
I know I'll get all the usual "your TV must be crap or your eyes are bad if you can't tell the difference!" comments. I can tell the difference and a Blu-Ray movie is better. Its just not that much better to make it worthwhile for me to buy a player and start a BR collection at this point.
BenSkywalker
Diamond Member
Does your TV support 1080p/24 natively and are you using that mode? If not that particular player has poor image quality.
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