Blu-ray is king.

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: sparks
LG is creating a hybrid player and Time Warner is creating a hybrid HD/BD disk so in a sense, someone will win, whichever technology is cheaper to manufacture will probably win out.

Last I heard, Sony refuses to allow anyone to include Blu-Ray tech on a player that will play HD-DVD. They can build all they want, but Sony can prevent them from shipping them.

 

[Oyeve]

Originally posted by: Evilhomer99
Pffff, All of you guys have it way wrong. We all know LASERDISC is king, now if you will excuse me, I'm going to watch Aladin on my Laserdisc player............

Heheh. My home DVD player is a Pioneer DVL-909 which plays LDs and DVDs. I was using LDs for years before DVD and did not want another component in my stereo system so I got the DVL-909 to have the best of both worlds. I have 100s of LDs so the cost of the player was well worth it. And the amazing thing is that the DVL-909 came out LONG before DVD burners were on the market yet it plays all my backups whether it + or -. Best player in the world. I had to mod it for when DTS came out as there was no DTS when this baby was made. And it flips the laser over to play the other side of the LD. And you know what I preffered about LDs over DVDs? No freaking commercials on the LDS! The movie just played! We LDers had Dolby Digital before you youg'ns with your fancy smancy DVD thingies! 🙂 Geez, I even have that old RCA player that play movies that were on a platter similar to a record. The player actually had a needle. I forget what it was called but its in my house somewhere, probably next to my reel-to-reel and Betamax.

 

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Tape has plenty of problems of its own - it requires large equipment, it still suffers from degredation, and seek time is bloody awful. The "commercial IT sector" has been backing things up on DVDs for ages for exactly this reason - and, from what I've heard, it's being adopted pretty fast as the new best way to back up data.

As an added bonus, 50GB+ discs will be on the market not too long from now - that's more than comparable to a tape cassette.

Staging from disk to tapes is about the latest "major innovation" in enterprise backup solutions.
Keep anywhere from 1-2 TB and up of S-ATA based storage for near line storage and stage it out to your tape library as it ages and/or the disk fills up, for fresh backups(which is what the vast majority of restores are), you'll get faster backups than with tape or optical discs, and you get the benefits of large tape libraries as well.

And a 50 GB disc isn't anywhere near modern tape medium.
LTO-3 is out now and can hold 400 GB of data uncompressed on one tape, I'd wager by the time 50 GB BD discs become readily available, LTO-4 will be out with the capacity increased to 800 GB.

Tape will be around for a long long time unless some new revolutionary technology comes out, and I very much doubt that when(if) it eventually gets replaced, it won't be by optical discs.

Its pretty clear he made up that statement to defend his position, and didn't realize exactly whom he was talking to 😉

From what I hear, 50GB discs are a perfectly good size for backing up, say, an individual project. (And you can access the data off of any PC, too.)

 

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by: Evilhomer99
Pffff, All of you guys have it way wrong. We all know LASERDISC is king, now if you will excuse me, I'm going to watch Aladin on my Laserdisc player............

Actually, Laserdisc is a great format. It was the first to support 720p.

(I wonder how much a dual-layer blu-ray Laserdisc-sized disc would hold?)

 

[bsobel]

From what I hear, 50GB discs are a perfectly good size for backing up, say, an individual project. (And you can access the data off of any PC, too.)

Sure, for desktop or workstation end user backup they can be great. But what you posted was "The "commercial IT sector" has been backing things up on DVDs for ages for exactly this reason - and, from what I've heard, it's being adopted pretty fast as the new best way to back up data." IT departments aren't backing up to DVD, near line and tape are the kings and that isn't going to change with Blu-ray.

 

[happy medium]

Just heard on the G4 channel that LG is making a duel format hddvd/blueray player so who cares.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Tape has plenty of problems of its own - it requires large equipment, it still suffers from degredation, and seek time is bloody awful. The "commercial IT sector" has been backing things up on DVDs for ages for exactly this reason - and, from what I've heard, it's being adopted pretty fast as the new best way to back up data.

As an added bonus, 50GB+ discs will be on the market not too long from now - that's more than comparable to a tape cassette.

Staging from disk to tapes is about the latest "major innovation" in enterprise backup solutions.
Keep anywhere from 1-2 TB and up of S-ATA based storage for near line storage and stage it out to your tape library as it ages and/or the disk fills up, for fresh backups(which is what the vast majority of restores are), you'll get faster backups than with tape or optical discs, and you get the benefits of large tape libraries as well.

And a 50 GB disc isn't anywhere near modern tape medium.
LTO-3 is out now and can hold 400 GB of data uncompressed on one tape, I'd wager by the time 50 GB BD discs become readily available, LTO-4 will be out with the capacity increased to 800 GB.

Tape will be around for a long long time unless some new revolutionary technology comes out, and I very much doubt that when(if) it eventually gets replaced, it won't be by optical discs.

Its pretty clear he made up that statement to defend his position, and didn't realize exactly whom he was talking to 😉

From what I hear, 50GB discs are a perfectly good size for backing up, say, an individual project. (And you can access the data off of any PC, too.)

If you want enterprise backup solutions, you go places like Storagetek(Sun these days), HP, etc, and you use software such as Networker, Data Protector, etc.
A burner in a PC isn't "commercial IT sector" backups, it's backups of not so sensitive data that someone might have on their workstation.

Any company of any decent size will have a centralized backup solution in place, including a dedicated backup server, these days most likely above mentioned S-ATA based disks systems attached, and at the end of the chain, a tape library/silo.
Please find me one optical disc based solution here for example.

Of course DVD's and eventually HD-DVD's have their place in backups, but commercial(aside from perhaps the very smallest of companies, but those are unlikely to have any backup strategies at all in my experience) is not one of them.