Blu-Ray collection is growing!!!

roguerower

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Can't remember them all, but right now I'm sitting on...

Planet Earth
Master & Commander
Bourne Series
Avatar
Man on Fire

Couple others that I can't remember at work.

Just pulled the trigger on:

Battlestar Galactica Complete Series (been thinking about it for a while but finally said fuck it, why not?)
Star Trek
Ironman 2

Love to watch them. The higher quality sight and sound is just breathtaking sometimes especially on my HTPC with TMT3 connected to the 101FD and 3.1 system. Good stuff.

At some point I think I might pull the trigger on the whole Pixar collection.
 

electroju

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That is great for you, but not all movies even the new ones are true 1080p. Also not all movies have good sound quality and most of them are re-mastered for DTS HD or 7.1. IMHO, I do not see or feel the difference when comparing to DVD.

A great quality sound system is required to watch movies. If you do not spend at least twice as much you spent on your visual equipment, your setup will just suck. A 5.1 is the lowest you should go on the speakers. A 7.1 setup is optional. The only gains that 7.1 provides is in a large room. Do some research on how to properly setup the speakers.
 

JackBurton

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That is great for you, but not all movies even the new ones are true 1080p. Also not all movies have good sound quality and most of them are re-mastered for DTS HD or 7.1. IMHO, I do not see or feel the difference when comparing to DVD.

A great quality sound system is required to watch movies. If you do not spend at least twice as much you spent on your visual equipment, your setup will just suck. A 5.1 is the lowest you should go on the speakers. A 7.1 setup is optional. The only gains that 7.1 provides is in a large room. Do some research on how to properly setup the speakers.

This is just about the worst information I've heard in a long time. Not all BDs are true 1080p? What does that mean? I'd estimate 99% of the BD movies are 1080p and the other 1% are 1080i. So what are you talking about? Sure BD quality varies, but they are still 1080p. And 99% of those BD movies are better quality than DVD, even the worst transfers. And the average BD quality will slap around the DVD version. If you have a problem telling the difference between Avatar on BD and DVD, you either need to get your vision and ears checked or you have crap equipment.

As for the formula for audio, that is just about retarded. Video has NOTHING to do with your audio set up. Your audio requirements should be based on the size of your room, and will also depend how on your budget. However, just because you spend $10,000 on your video set up doesn't mean you need to spend $20,000 on your audio. Your room may just no accommodate or require that much power.

Next, 2, 2.1, 5.1, 7.1, 9.2 there is no MINIMUM. I actually prefer a fantastic 2 or 2.1 setup versus a mediocre 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Again, it depends on the room. However I'd take a 2 channel B&W 800 Diamond setup over just about ANY 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Unfortunately my room will not accommodate the 800 or 802 Diamonds. They're just too much speaker for the room (and that works out great, because they're out of my price range. :)). However the 805 Diamonds should work perfectly! And that is what I'm look at. As for the sub, I'm looking at the Paradigm subs. I put quality over quantity, so a great two channel setup is my preference, and it definitely works best given my room size and setup.

As for BD collections, here's mine. My current BD rack is pretty much filled up, so I'm setting up an identical rack on the other side of the closet this weekend.

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RavenSEAL

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This is just about the worst information I've heard in a long time. Not all BDs are true 1080p? What does that mean? I'd estimate 99% of the BD movies are 1080p and the other 1% are 1080i. So what are you talking about? Sure BD quality varies, but they are still 1080p. And 99% of those BD movies are better quality than DVD, even the worst transfers. And the average BD quality will slap around the DVD version. If you have a problem telling the difference between Avatar on BD and DVD, you either need to get your vision and ears checked or you have crap equipment.

As for the formula for audio, that is just about retarded. Video has NOTHING to do with your audio set up. Your audio requirements should be based on the size of your room, and will also depend how on your budget. However, just because you spend $10,000 on your video set up doesn't mean you need to spend $20,000 on your audio. Your room may just no accommodate or require that much power.

Next, 2, 2.1, 5.1, 7.1, 9.2 there is no MINIMUM. I actually prefer a fantastic 2 or 2.1 setup versus a mediocre 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Again, it depends on the room. However I'd take a 2 channel B&W 800 Diamond setup over just about ANY 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Unfortunately my room will not accommodate the 800 or 802 Diamonds. They're just too much speaker for the room (and that works out great, because they're out of my price range. :)). However the 805 Diamonds should work perfectly! And that is what I'm look at. As for the sub, I'm looking at the Paradigm subs. I put quality over quantity, so a great two channel setup is my preference, and it definitely works best given my room size and setup.

As for BD collections, here's mine. My current BD rack is pretty much filled up, so I'm setting up an identical rack on the other side of the closet this weekend.

IMG_4472-1.JPG
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roguerower

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That is great for you, but not all movies even the new ones are true 1080p. Also not all movies have good sound quality and most of them are re-mastered for DTS HD or 7.1. IMHO, I do not see or feel the difference when comparing to DVD.

A great quality sound system is required to watch movies. If you do not spend at least twice as much you spent on your visual equipment, your setup will just suck. A 5.1 is the lowest you should go on the speakers. A 7.1 setup is optional. The only gains that 7.1 provides is in a large room. Do some research on how to properly setup the speakers.

Wow, this is some retarded advice. So, because I spent 2k on my TV, I have to spend 4k on audio? Are you shitting me? I'm pretty sure my Denon 2310, Polk Monitor 70s, and Polk CS2 handle the audio just fine.

And where did you get info about BR not being 1080p? If you look at any of those movies and the reviews, you'll see that they are ranked very highly.
 

velillen

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This is just about the worst information I've heard in a long time. Not all BDs are true 1080p? What does that mean? I'd estimate 99% of the BD movies are 1080p and the other 1% are 1080i. So what are you talking about? Sure BD quality varies, but they are still 1080p. And 99% of those BD movies are better quality than DVD, even the worst transfers. And the average BD quality will slap around the DVD version. If you have a problem telling the difference between Avatar on BD and DVD, you either need to get your vision and ears checked or you have crap equipment.

As for the formula for audio, that is just about retarded. Video has NOTHING to do with your audio set up. Your audio requirements should be based on the size of your room, and will also depend how on your budget. However, just because you spend $10,000 on your video set up doesn't mean you need to spend $20,000 on your audio. Your room may just no accommodate or require that much power.

Next, 2, 2.1, 5.1, 7.1, 9.2 there is no MINIMUM. I actually prefer a fantastic 2 or 2.1 setup versus a mediocre 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Again, it depends on the room. However I'd take a 2 channel B&W 800 Diamond setup over just about ANY 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Unfortunately my room will not accommodate the 800 or 802 Diamonds. They're just too much speaker for the room (and that works out great, because they're out of my price range. :)). However the 805 Diamonds should work perfectly! And that is what I'm look at. As for the sub, I'm looking at the Paradigm subs. I put quality over quantity, so a great two channel setup is my preference, and it definitely works best given my room size and setup.

As for BD collections, here's mine. My current BD rack is pretty much filled up, so I'm setting up an identical rack on the other side of the closet this weekend.

IMG_4472-1.JPG

He posts the same thing in tons of threads and conviently never responds to anything else so dont worry, just ignore is idiodic "suggestions"

Nice colection though! That all blu ray? I probably have that many with dvd's. Actually only have a few blu rays :( But netflix has really cut down on my purchasing movies
 

JackBurton

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He posts the same thing in tons of threads and conviently never responds to anything else so dont worry, just ignore is idiodic "suggestions"

Yeah, it's retarded to say the least. And the worst part about it is, he posts his ignorance with confidence.

Nice colection though! That all blu ray? I probably have that many with dvd's. Actually only have a few blu rays But netflix has really cut down on my purchasing movies

Thanks man. All BDs except for the bottom two shelves. Those are 360, PS3 games and a few HD-DVDs. However I have a stack of BDs on the other side that you can't see because I'm out of space in the rack. I should have the new rack up by this weekend, so I should have one full rack with just BDs. Hopefully the new BD space will last me for awhile because after that, I'm all out of space. :(
 

Binarycow

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Yeah, it's retarded to say the least. And the worst part about it is, he posts his ignorance with confidence.



Thanks man. All BDs except for the bottom two shelves. Those are 360, PS3 games and a few HD-DVDs. However I have a stack of BDs on the other side that you can't see because I'm out of space in the rack. I should have the new rack up by this weekend, so I should have one full rack with just BDs. Hopefully the new BD space will last me for awhile because after that, I'm all out of space. :(

Are you Bill Gates' cousin or something, dude. That collection must have cost you a fortune.
 

electroju

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Wow, this is some retarded advice. So, because I spent 2k on my TV, I have to spend 4k on audio? Are you shitting me? I'm pretty sure my Denon 2310, Polk Monitor 70s, and Polk CS2 handle the audio just fine.
I am not saying any bull. You still need rear speakers and a subwoofer. A good subwoofer that will be loud enough to handle your speakers will be around $800. Rear speakers will cost about $600 or more for a pair for bipolar rear speakers. The AV receiver or surround sound processor counts in the cost too because of the DAC.


And where did you get info about BR not being 1080p? If you look at any of those movies and the reviews, you'll see that they are ranked very highly.
Some movies on your list are over rated. Not all movies are not actually 1080p. Sure they show on the disc that they are formated as 1080p, but the master may not be recorded at a high enough resolution to make the final be 1080p. Most are just upscaled. It costs a lot of money to have a final at 1080p.

One info can be gathered watching episode 65 of hdnation at revision3.com.
 

electroju

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This is just about the worst information I've heard in a long time. Not all BDs are true 1080p? What does that mean? I'd estimate 99% of the BD movies are 1080p and the other 1% are 1080i. So what are you talking about? Sure BD quality varies, but they are still 1080p. And 99% of those BD movies are better quality than DVD, even the worst transfers. And the average BD quality will slap around the DVD version. If you have a problem telling the difference between Avatar on BD and DVD, you either need to get your vision and ears checked or you have crap equipment.

As for the formula for audio, that is just about retarded. Video has NOTHING to do with your audio set up. Your audio requirements should be based on the size of your room, and will also depend how on your budget. However, just because you spend $10,000 on your video set up doesn't mean you need to spend $20,000 on your audio. Your room may just no accommodate or require that much power.

Next, 2, 2.1, 5.1, 7.1, 9.2 there is no MINIMUM. I actually prefer a fantastic 2 or 2.1 setup versus a mediocre 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Again, it depends on the room. However I'd take a 2 channel B&W 800 Diamond setup over just about ANY 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Unfortunately my room will not accommodate the 800 or 802 Diamonds. They're just too much speaker for the room (and that works out great, because they're out of my price range. :)). However the 805 Diamonds should work perfectly! And that is what I'm look at. As for the sub, I'm looking at the Paradigm subs. I put quality over quantity, so a great two channel setup is my preference, and it definitely works best given my room size and setup.

As for BD collections, here's mine. My current BD rack is pretty much filled up, so I'm setting up an identical rack on the other side of the closet this weekend.

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It is not the worst information. What is the worst information is stating that all Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies are 1080p. Actually they are 1080i, but the master may not be this high. Some movies are upscaled to provide that it is HD. Though HD does not have to be 1080i, so they can be 720i and still be called HD.

A too go for sound quality, but you do loose the ambients of the movie when there is scenes that have surround sound information. You did say quality as in workmanship. That is different because that does not always mean sound quality. If you build your own with cheap woofers and tweeters, it will sound as good as speakers that costs $1000. I have done this and it is all about how the box and crossover filer are designed. The subwoofer is the same when doing a DIY, but it gives more performance than the commercial subwoofers at a fraction of the cost. Going the DIY route for a subwoofer is more worth it compared to the DIY route for full range loudspeakers because of the labor that goes into the full range loudspeaker.

A surround sound setup like a 5.1 or 7.1 can sound excellent if it is properly setup. Majority are not. Not all scenes in movies will utilize the rear or side channels. There are multiple movies that shows off surround sound, but only in certain scenes. There is a minimum channels for surround sound even though you had bad experience with surround sound setups. The minimum is 5.1 and the movie that states it well is Saving Private Ryan.
 

JackBurton

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Are you Bill Gates' cousin or something, dude. That collection must have cost you a fortune.

lol, yeah, it wasn't cheap, but I didn't buy all the BDs all at once either. The trick is, be on the look out for great BD deals and buy them when they are on sale. You can pick up a lot of BDs for around $10 if you keep an eye out.
 

JackBurton

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It is not the worst information. What is the worst information is stating that all Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies are 1080p. Actually they are 1080i, but the master may not be this high. Some movies are upscaled to provide that it is HD. Though HD does not have to be 1080i, so they can be 720i and still be called HD.

Yes it is. Most BDs ARE 1080p, and the great BD transfers are usually scaled DOWN to 1080p, not up.

A too go for sound quality, but you do loose the ambients of the movie when there is scenes that have surround sound information. You did say quality as in workmanship. That is different because that does not always mean sound quality. If you build your own with cheap woofers and tweeters, it will sound as good as speakers that costs $1000. I have done this and it is all about how the box and crossover filer are designed. The subwoofer is the same when doing a DIY, but it gives more performance than the commercial subwoofers at a fraction of the cost. Going the DIY route for a subwoofer is more worth it compared to the DIY route for full range loudspeakers because of the labor that goes into the full range loudspeaker.

Yes, surrounds do give you a different experience, but like I said, I'd rather have quality versus quantity. If you can purchase a great quality 5.1 or 7.1 system and your room will accommodate that setup, great. If not, a great 2 or 2.1 channel setup will also sound fantastic.

A surround sound setup like a 5.1 or 7.1 can sound excellent if it is properly setup. Majority are not. Not all scenes in movies will utilize the rear or side channels. There are multiple movies that shows off surround sound, but only in certain scenes. There is a minimum channels for surround sound even though you had bad experience with surround sound setups. The minimum is 5.1 and the movie that states it well is Saving Private Ryan.

I don't have anything against 5.1, 7.1 or 9.2 setups, I just wouldn't say it is a requirement for BD.
 
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velillen

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lol, yeah, it wasn't cheap, but I didn't buy all the BDs all at once either. The trick is, be on the look out for great BD deals and buy them when they are on sale. You can pick up a lot of BDs for around $10 if you keep an eye out.

I need to start doing that lol. Problem is most movies i watch once (from netflix) then dont watch again or if i do i just reorder form netflix. But i guess the key is to just buy it :p

Quesiton is how many of those do you watch regularily? Do you have them on a server or have to change discs?
 

JackBurton

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I need to start doing that lol. Problem is most movies i watch once (from netflix) then dont watch again or if i do i just reorder form netflix. But i guess the key is to just buy it :p

Quesiton is how many of those do you watch regularily? Do you have them on a server or have to change discs?

I don't have very many that I watch multiple times. Honestly, a lot of the movie aren't even unwrapped, but I don't justify a BD purchase with how many times I'll watch it either. If I only watch it once, that's fine with me. I never watch movies at the theaters, so the way I look at it, the BD purchase is like me buying 2 ticket to the theater.

As for streaming, I haven't put my movies on a server yet for a couple of reasons:

1. I'd need AT LEAST 20TB which would be pretty expensive to be done properly.
2. I love my BD players. :) Beautiful PQ and AQ output that would be tough to match on an HTPC.

I actually USED to use Netflix with DVDs but got tired of the long movie queues and scratched discs. :mad: Now with the delays on new releases, I REALLY have no interest in going back.
 
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RocksteadyDotNet

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I don't have very many that I watch multiple times. Honestly, a lot of the movie aren't even unwrapped, but I don't justify a BD purchase with how many times I'll watch it either. If I only watch it once, that's fine with me. I never watch movies at the theaters, so the way I look at it, the BD purchase is like me buying 2 ticket to the theater.

As for streaming, I haven't put my movies on a server yet for a couple of reasons:

1. I'd need AT LEAST 20TB which would be pretty expensive to be done properly.
2. I love my BD players. :) Beautiful PQ and AQ output that would be tough to match on an HTPC.

I actually USED to use Netflix with DVDs but got tired of the long movie queues and scratched discs. :mad: Now with the delays on new releases, I REALLY have no interest in going back.

Err, the Picture and Audio outputs are digital.
 

JackBurton

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Err, the Picture and Audio outputs are digital.

1080p/24 video is very similar across the board (comparing BD players) however the DACs in your BD player or AVR/pre/pro will make a noticeable difference in AQ. In my case, the analog section in my BD player is fantastic. I also have some nice picture controls, not to mention the video scaler (for DVDs) is VERY nice. Beautiful video output.
 

Howard

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I am not saying any bull. You still need rear speakers and a subwoofer. A good subwoofer that will be loud enough to handle your speakers will be around $800. Rear speakers will cost about $600 or more for a pair for bipolar rear speakers. The AV receiver or surround sound processor counts in the cost too because of the DAC.



Some movies on your list are over rated. Not all movies are not actually 1080p. Sure they show on the disc that they are formated as 1080p, but the master may not be recorded at a high enough resolution to make the final be 1080p. Most are just upscaled. It costs a lot of money to have a final at 1080p.

One info can be gathered watching episode 65 of hdnation at revision3.com.
Tell me again what your qualifications are?
 

velillen

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I don't have very many that I watch multiple times. Honestly, a lot of the movie aren't even unwrapped, but I don't justify a BD purchase with how many times I'll watch it either. If I only watch it once, that's fine with me. I never watch movies at the theaters, so the way I look at it, the BD purchase is like me buying 2 ticket to the theater.

As for streaming, I haven't put my movies on a server yet for a couple of reasons:

1. I'd need AT LEAST 20TB which would be pretty expensive to be done properly.
2. I love my BD players. :) Beautiful PQ and AQ output that would be tough to match on an HTPC.

I actually USED to use Netflix with DVDs but got tired of the long movie queues and scratched discs. :mad: Now with the delays on new releases, I REALLY have no interest in going back.


I guess im the other way. i'd rather use netflix type services instead of buying. i rarely go to the theaters (maybe twice a year). With blurays i havent gotten a disc that wouldnt play. DVD's its MAYBE 1 in 20 wont play right away but half i just use glasses cleaner and clean them and then the work just fine. And i dont overly care when movies come out...half the time its been out for a month before i even realize its out.

1) Yeah thats the crappy part. Could go with less if you ripped just the main movie and main audio track. Thats essentially what i did with my movies. I dont watch the extras hardly ever though.

2) Anymore than is a meh comment :) Newer video cards can do lossless bitstreaming (or whatever you call sending True HD & DTS HD MA). So theres your AQ side :p Picture quality, ive always felt thats user definied. i think my bluray on pc looks just as good as via PS3 or the old bluray player my dad has. But others can tell differences im sure.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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1080p/24 video is very similar across the board (comparing BD players) however the DACs in your BD player or AVR/pre/pro will make a noticeable difference in AQ. In my case, the analog section in my BD player is fantastic. I also have some nice picture controls, not to mention the video scaler (for DVDs) is VERY nice. Beautiful video output.

You won't be using the DAC in the player if you have a good amp, which I assume you do.

You said "I love my BD players. Beautiful PQ and AQ output that would be tough to match on an HTPC."

That doesn't make any sense. They're outputting the picture and audio in digital.
 

JackBurton

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You won't be using the DAC in the player if you have a good amp, which I assume you do.

You said "I love my BD players. Beautiful PQ and AQ output that would be tough to match on an HTPC."

That doesn't make any sense. They're outputting the picture and audio in digital.

Amps don't have DACs, AVRs or pre/pros do though. I have a nice AVR (Pioneer Elite SC-07) but my BD player (Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD) has better DACs which is why I'm using the analog outs (audio) to my AVR. As for PQ, I have a PS3 and prefer the PQ performance on my dedicated BD player. Like I said, the PQ is similar but not the same. Very close on 1080p/24 content though. DVD PQ output is a different story. Much better looking on my BD player compared to the PS3.

Now if I had a Classe SSP-800 pre/pro it would be a different story. I'd be using a BD player as basic transport and using HMDI for both video and audio. But given that's a TAD out of my budget, I'll stick with my BD player's audio section. :)
 
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RocksteadyDotNet

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Amps don't have DACs, AVRs or pre/pros do though. I have a nice AVR (Pioneer Elite SC-07) but my BD player (Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD) has better DACs which is why I'm using the analog outs (audio) to my AVR. As for PQ, I have a PS3 and prefer the PQ performance on my dedicated BD player. Like I said, the PQ is similar but not the same. Very close on 1080p/24 content though. DVD PQ output is a different story. Much better looking on my BD player compared to the PS3.

Now if I had a Classe SSP-800 pre/pro it would be a different story. I'd be using a BD player as basic transport and using HMDI for both video and audio. But given that's a TAD out of my budget, I'll stick with my BD player's audio section. :)

Pfft. They're only $8k.

Get a job.