Bloomberg Worries About Illegal Guns

[piasabird]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/12/bloomberg.gun.laws/index.html?hpt=C2

"Trace the Guns" examines troves of new data released to Mayors Against Illegal Guns by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and for the first time demonstrates the connection between laws designed to deter illegal trafficking and lower export rates for guns used in crimes.

I guess Bloomberg believes all guns should be illegal!

If you have a constitutional right to bear arms, what is an illegal gun?

We have a new public shower. Just step inside and take deep breaths and all your worries will seem to disappear! I promise it is not a gas chamber. [Sarcasm Added]

 

[Throckmorton]

You have a Constitutional right to vote, doesn't mean there's no such thing as illegal voting.

 

[irishScott]

*sigh* this has been discussed time and again. If those gun laws in the "tough states" are so good then why aren't they cutting illegal gun imports? And it should be noted that for any given state, the vast vast vast majority of guns used in crimes come from *gasp* that state! As the report itself states, we're talking about 19 illegal guns/100,000 people on average from the supposedly weak states. That's what they're reduced to bitching about. 19 guns every 100,000 people (rounding up no less), compared to God knows how many legal exchanges. Pathetic.

 

[drebo]

Gun control only affects law abiding citizens. A criminal isn't going to give up his gun just because you tell him to.

 

[nyker96]

I think OP is misinterpreting this article, Bloomberg wants the trace those illegal guns because people who uses them to commit murders are much much harder to trace than legal ones on registry and consequently making murders or other crimes that much harder to trace.

You are interpreting it like he wants to revoke the right to gun ownership. He's just saying guns needs to be traceable so crimes can be solved faster.

 

[QuantumPion]

Let's make it so that everyone has to register their guns. Then, when the criminals come in to register their illegal guns, we can arrest them right on the spot! This plan is flawless!

 

[spidey07]

I think OP is misinterpreting this article, Bloomberg wants the trace those illegal guns because people who uses them to commit murders are much much harder to trace than legal ones on registry and consequently making murders or other crimes that much harder to trace.

You are interpreting it like he wants to revoke the right to gun ownership. He's just saying guns needs to be traceable so crimes can be solved faster.

Not really. Bloomberg really doesn't want anybody to have guns except him and politicians. New York has some of the strictest laws in the nation on firearms and still high crime.

 

[spidey07]

Let's make it so that everyone has to register their guns. Then, when the criminals come in to register their illegal guns, we can arrest them right on the spot! This plan is flawless!

LOL! Which is pretty much how it is today. I've got another great idea! It should be illegal to sell or give a gun to somebody who you know isn't allowed to own one like a convicted felon. That way criminals couldn't get firearms.

 

[Throckmorton]

*sigh* this has been discussed time and again. If those gun laws in the "tough states" are so good then why aren't they cutting illegal gun imports? And it should be noted that for any given state, the vast vast vast majority of guns used in crimes come from *gasp* that state! As the report itself states, we're talking about 19 illegal guns/100,000 people on average from the supposedly weak states. That's what they're reduced to bitching about. 19 guns every 100,000 people (rounding up no less), compared to God knows how many legal exchanges. Pathetic.

Uhhh, why are you quoting that irrelevant number? What about percentage of guns that are illegal?


I guess in your mind, murder isn't an issue because the rate is so low per 100,000 people. And rape, that barely even exists!

 

[Throckmorton]

Let's make it so that everyone has to register their guns. Then, when the criminals come in to register their illegal guns, we can arrest them right on the spot! This plan is flawless!

Where do criminals buy guns to avoid registration? From states with weak gun laws.

 

[nyker96]

Not really. Bloomberg really doesn't want anybody to have guns except him and politicians. New York has some of the strictest laws in the nation on firearms and still high crime.

well, now you are extrapolating this news to what he is thinking to himself inside. Even if he does think this way on a personal level, that is merely his personal opinion, nothing more. There's no support to abolish gun rights even in NY. Any politician dare to try that will get voted out of office, not to mention sued for been unconstitutional, simple as that.

 

[Throckmorton]

LOL! Which is pretty much how it is today. I've got another great idea! It should be illegal to sell or give a gun to somebody who you know isn't allowed to own one like a convicted felon. That way criminals couldn't get firearms.

At gun shows in a lot of states you can sell guns to anybody and everybody, without a background check.

That's Bloomberg's point.

These criminals who are "breaking the law anyway", can get guns very easily because of the lax gun laws.

I'll never understand why you rightwingers oppose gun regulation on the basis of criminals not following the regulations. The reason criminals can get by without following the regulations is because so many guns are available to them from legal sources. A gun doesn't just materialize because you want one.

 

[spidey07]

Where do criminals buy guns to avoid registration? From states with weak gun laws.

No, they buy them from other criminals regardless of gun laws. Those criminals get the weapons from stealing so let's make theft of a firearm illegal and we'll be all set!

 

[Craig234]

What percent of guns used in crimes are stolen from legal gun owners? Anyone know?

 

[spidey07]

At gun shows in a lot of states you can sell guns to anybody and everybody, without a background check.

That's Bloomberg's point.

These criminals who are "breaking the law anyway", can get guns very easily because of the lax gun laws.

How about we make it illegal to do straw purchases for others at gun stores and gun shows?

And anybody that says I have to do a background check when selling my personal property can go pound sand. I do however make them sign a bill of sale and get a copy of their driver's license so if it is ever used in a crime I'm covered.

 

[brandonb]

I agree spidey07. If we all pass laws that say "You shall not break any laws with a gun" we'd be ok!

 

[brencat]

well, now you are extrapolating this news to what he is thinking to himself inside. Even if he does think this way on a personal level, that is merely his personal opinion, nothing more. There's no support to abolish gun rights even in NY. Any politician dare to try that will get voted out of office, not to mention sued for been unconstitutional, simple as that.

It's not just that Nyker. Reasonable people should also be against attempts to regulate ammo (like the enviro wackos recent attempts to have lead shot banned, which was rejected) or 1 gun per month rules, expensive licensing/transfer fees, taxes on rifle ammo, etc. All of these things make it expensive to shoot until you eventually chip away at the number of people who can afford the sport leading to a defacto ban and/or disarmed populace.

But not one of these things will stop a criminal or evildoer from getting or using a gun in a crime. In fact statistics show violent crime increase when criminals bet the odds of you being disarmed are greater.

 

[JD50]

What percent of guns used in crimes are stolen from legal gun owners? Anyone know?

I don't know but I'm sure you've got some wildly misleading statistic buried in a gigantic wall of text that you're getting ready to post.

 

[Throckmorton]

No, they buy them from other criminals regardless of gun laws. Those criminals get the weapons from stealing so let's make theft of a firearm illegal and we'll be all set!

LOL, from stealing. Yes, because they're criminals they must be stealing guns.

 

[shortylickens]

I think OP is misinterpreting this article, Bloomberg wants the trace those illegal guns because people who uses them to commit murders are much much harder to trace than legal ones on registry and consequently making murders or other crimes that much harder to trace.

You are interpreting it like he wants to revoke the right to gun ownership. He's just saying guns needs to be traceable so crimes can be solved faster.

Which has already been proven in many other countries and states to be bullshit anyway. All it does is make a list of law abiding people for gun haters to target later on.

 

[Throckmorton]

I agree spidey07. If we all pass laws that say "You shall not break any laws with a gun" we'd be ok!

That's generally how it works. For all laws. You make it so a gun shop has to do a background check, and they will follow the regulations.

Just like you don't allow pharmacists to sell prescription drugs to people without prescriptions. You don't say "Druggies will break the law anyway, let's not require them to have a prescription". That makes no sense.

 

[Throckmorton]

How about we make it illegal to do straw purchases for others at gun stores and gun shows?

And anybody that says I have to do a background check when selling my personal property can go pound sand. I do however make them sign a bill of sale and get a copy of their driver's license so if it is ever used in a crime I'm covered.

So you're supporting a gun right restriction?


Why don't we also legally require everybody who sells a gun at a gun show has to get a copy of the driver's license etc?

 

[xj0hnx]

Which has already been proven in many other countries and states to be bullshit anyway. All it does is make a list of law abiding people for gun haters to target later on.

Not only that, it isn't like criminals are going to line up to register their illegal guns anyway. The whole idea of registering firearms to help catch criminals is retarded.

 

[spidey07]

That's generally how it works. For all laws. You make it so a gun shop has to do a background check, and they will follow the regulations.

Just like you don't allow pharmacists to sell prescription drugs to people without prescriptions. You don't say "Druggies will break the law anyway, let's not require them to have a prescription". That makes no sense.

All gun stores have to do a background check on any firearm sale. If they don't they lose their license.

I take it you're not very familiar with firearm laws and what's currently in place from a federal and state level? Are you getting your information from the media?

 

[xj0hnx]

That's generally how it works. For all laws. You make it so a gun shop has to do a background check, and they will follow the regulations.

Just like you don't allow pharmacists to sell prescription drugs to people without prescriptions. You don't say "Druggies will break the law anyway, let's not require them to have a prescription". That makes no sense.

Gun shops already have to do a background check, even at gun shows. Private citizens do not, and should not have to do them to sell their private property.