Blog about flu vaccine that has been circulating at the hospital my wife works at

[nanette1985]

I also get sick every time I get a flu shot. Maybe it's not the flu, but it's definitely SICK. I'd respect MD's a lot more if they'd acknowledge that instead of calling us names and liars. Dumb Ass?

Since there are a lot of us who have that reaction, I think it would be interesting to research that and possibly learn something about what the flu shot is affecting, other than the flu. But, no. I'm a Dumb Ass.

Since the MD doesn't believe me when I get sick from the flu shot why should I believe what he says?

 

[Kelvrick]

Yea, you don't get the flu from the shot, but it takes everyone and exposes them to a small space where you get exposed to all these other people who might be infectious.

Oh, and any update on whether the vaccine this year is even effective to the h1n1? It only immunizes against whatever ones they decided to focus on for the year?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: princess ida
I also get sick every time I get a flu shot. Maybe it's not the flu, but it's definitely SICK. I'd respect MD's a lot more if they'd acknowledge that instead of calling us names and liars. Dumb Ass?

Since there are a lot of us who have that reaction, I think it would be interesting to research that and possibly learn something about what the flu shot is affecting, other than the flu. But, no. I'm a Dumb Ass.

Since the MD doesn't believe me when I get sick from the flu shot why should I believe what he says?

It says you don't contract influenza, not that you didn't feel sick. The immune reaction to the shot can produce a mild fever, headache, myalgia, etc.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Gibsons
No, you fall under selfish dumbass. Millions get the flu every year, leading to a few hundred thousand being hospitalized and ~30K deaths. Those numbers could be reduced dramatically by vaccination, see "herd immunity."

You might be the one who catches it and spreads it to someone who dies. Maybe you just don't care... you aren't required to either care or get the vaccine.

And when I drive, even if I drive correctly, I might be the guy who the reckless driver swerves around just before he loses control and runs over a group of pedestrians on the sidewalk. The only way to ensure that we cannot ever cause indirect harm to someone else is to live life inside of a bubble.

If I'm sick, I stay home. I wash my hands and I sneeze into my elbow rather than onto my hands. I accept the risks associated with failure to vaccinate myself. If someone else does not accept those risks, then they should vaccinate themselves. I am not responsible for ensuring that another adult is protected.

Sorry, but 30,000 deaths in a population of 280+ million is a statistical irrelevance. It's not worth getting worked up over.

ZV

I'm not berating you here, really, I understand where you're coming from, but I'm curious: At what point does it reach relevance to you? 100k, 1 million?

In terms of at what point something reaches a level of true concern from a population sustainability point of view, there are multiple variables in play such as the birth rate and other causes of death. If something is poised to cause a severe shift in the births to deaths ratio for a population then it's a threat, but, realistically-speaking, I haven't heard of anything that represents such an existential threat to society.

I mean, there are over 40,000 deaths each year from traffic accidents yet somehow the 30,000 deaths per year from influenza are a severe issue? The numbers just don't scan. I am not making light of the individual deaths, but clearly neither traffic accidents nor influenza represent valid existential threats to our society.

As far as at what point something would become relevant enough for me to take my own precautions, that would depend on the ease with which the precautions could be taken, the likelihood of the event occurring, and the probability of a devastating outcome. For example, I use a seat belt in my car because there is virtually no encumbrance resultant from its use, and I wear leathers and a helmet when on my motorcycle because even though injury is unlikely, the potential severity is very high in the rare case that injury does occur.

In the world of pathogens, I don't worry about getting vaccinated for the flu because I am personally extremely unlikely to suffer adverse effects beyond a few days of missed work (and, as I can work over VPN from home, I may not even miss work). I do use prophalactics if I engage in sexual behaviour due to the fact that the potential consequences, while unlikely, are severe.

ZV

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Yea, you don't get the flu from the shot, but it takes everyone and exposes them to a small space where you get exposed to all these other people who might be infectious.

Oh, and any update on whether the vaccine this year is even effective to the h1n1? It only immunizes against whatever ones they decided to focus on for the year?

This year there will be two vaccines, a monovalent one specific for the swine H1N1 flu, and a regular trivalent seasonal flu. The seasonal vaccine is pretty widely available now, the swine H1N1 probably not available to the masses until... late October/early November?

No way to really absolutely know their effectiveness until the numbers have been crunched about a year from now. Swine flu vaccine seems pretty likely to be effective. Way too early to know about the seasonal - in includes H3N2 and influenza B and I think neither of those are circulating widely yet. H3N2 might not be widespread (no way to know) this season, but B is widespread every year.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Stopped reading at #4. That MD is a dumbass if he truly thinks there is no way to boost the immune system. Prime example of the failure of current medicine in teaching doctors about nutrition and the body.

pulling your immune system out of the gutter =/= boosting your immune system.

 

[KeithP]

Originally posted by: Kev
What an annoying article. The ideas are good but for some reason, with each sentence I get an increasing urge to punch whoever wrote it .

I would add that the Doctor sounds like an arrogant a-hole. I am not going to get the shot just to spite him.

-KeithP

 

[mrCide]

Been getting a flu shot (free from work) last couple years. I still got the flu a couple weeks ago, which leads me to believe it was H1N1. If that's the case, then vaccine won't do me any good anyway. Here's to not getting sick for the rest of the year!

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Gibsons
No, you fall under selfish dumbass. Millions get the flu every year, leading to a few hundred thousand being hospitalized and ~30K deaths. Those numbers could be reduced dramatically by vaccination, see "herd immunity."

You might be the one who catches it and spreads it to someone who dies. Maybe you just don't care... you aren't required to either care or get the vaccine.

And when I drive, even if I drive correctly, I might be the guy who the reckless driver swerves around just before he loses control and runs over a group of pedestrians on the sidewalk. The only way to ensure that we cannot ever cause indirect harm to someone else is to live life inside of a bubble.

If I'm sick, I stay home. I wash my hands and I sneeze into my elbow rather than onto my hands. I accept the risks associated with failure to vaccinate myself. If someone else does not accept those risks, then they should vaccinate themselves. I am not responsible for ensuring that another adult is protected.

Sorry, but 30,000 deaths in a population of 280+ million is a statistical irrelevance. It's not worth getting worked up over.

ZV

statistical irrelevence indeed

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Kev
What an annoying article. The ideas are good but for some reason, with each sentence I get an increasing urge to punch whoever wrote it .

Me too, glad I wasn't the only one feeling that way.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Feneant2
This was probably the stupist rant I've ever read. Is this guy seriously a doctor? I read the first few points then where I saw he was insulting people in each point I stopped because he sounds like a petulant child. He probably gets paid a few bucks for each flu shot he administers considering the way he goes about it.

So my answer is this : NEWSFLASH : This is the flu we're talking about, not cancer, HIV, Aids, Ebola, etc... it's THE FLU!!! How many people here know someone who died from the flu. Seriously, raise your hands and show me how many people die from this killer disease every year. I have never in my life heard of a single person who has died from the flu. At the very most you are incapacitated for a few days and then you get back on your feet and continue one with your life.

This doctor makes the flu sound like it kills hundreds of millions of people every year. If it was my doctor, I would already be looking for another physician because people like him do not deserve their license.

globally flu kills a comparable number to hiv, malaria or Tb. btw aids and hiv are roughly the same disease

 

[moshquerade]

mandated to get the seasonal flu and the h1n1 flu vaccine crew signing in

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Kev
What an annoying article. The ideas are good but for some reason, with each sentence I get an increasing urge to punch whoever wrote it .

this. probably because he came off as a ATOT troll bitching and moaning about nothing.


and he forgot to mention my excuse for never getting the shot. i dont give a fuck. screw you and your flu shots, ill take my chances. because i dont give a fuck.

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Kev
What an annoying article. The ideas are good but for some reason, with each sentence I get an increasing urge to punch whoever wrote it .

this. probably because he came off as a ATOT troll bitching and moaning about nothing.


and he forgot to mention my excuse for never getting the shot. i dont give a fuck. screw you and your flu shots, ill take my chances. because i dont give a fuck.

Frankly I don't give a damn that you don't give a fuck, the problem is people like you who choose to or are forced to work or decide to be social when they get the flu, thus fucking everyone else over against their will.

 

[Deeko]

After reading that, I do not think I will ever get a flu shot.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: princess ida
I also get sick every time I get a flu shot. Maybe it's not the flu, but it's definitely SICK. I'd respect MD's a lot more if they'd acknowledge that instead of calling us names and liars. Dumb Ass?

Since there are a lot of us who have that reaction, I think it would be interesting to research that and possibly learn something about what the flu shot is affecting, other than the flu. But, no. I'm a Dumb Ass.

Since the MD doesn't believe me when I get sick from the flu shot why should I believe what he says?

The rant is not directed at patients.

It sounds awesome if you hear it in the voice of Dr. Gregory House, MD.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Gibsons
No, you fall under selfish dumbass. Millions get the flu every year, leading to a few hundred thousand being hospitalized and ~30K deaths. Those numbers could be reduced dramatically by vaccination, see "herd immunity."

You might be the one who catches it and spreads it to someone who dies. Maybe you just don't care... you aren't required to either care or get the vaccine.

And when I drive, even if I drive correctly, I might be the guy who the reckless driver swerves around just before he loses control and runs over a group of pedestrians on the sidewalk. The only way to ensure that we cannot ever cause indirect harm to someone else is to live life inside of a bubble.

If I'm sick, I stay home. I wash my hands and I sneeze into my elbow rather than onto my hands. I accept the risks associated with failure to vaccinate myself. If someone else does not accept those risks, then they should vaccinate themselves. I am not responsible for ensuring that another adult is protected.

Sorry, but 30,000 deaths in a population of 280+ million is a statistical irrelevance. It's not worth getting worked up over.

ZV

statistical irrelevence indeed

Argument from emotion. It was a fallacy yesterday, it's a fallacy today, and it will be a fallacy tomorrow.

You also completely fail to understand the context of my argument. From a later post of mine that clarifies my position (which you conveniently ignored when you posted your irrelevant troll response):

...there are over 40,000 deaths each year from traffic accidents yet somehow the 30,000 deaths per year from influenza are a severe issue? The numbers just don't scan. I am not making light of the individual deaths, but clearly neither traffic accidents nor influenza represent valid existential threats to our society.

ZV

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Fails on the first bullet point. Every year when the USAF had us get the flu shot, half the damn base would be infected with the flu from the shot.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Orwell called and said you're a disgrace to the English language. (his words, not mine)

orwells a dumbass too then, thats latin

 

[endervalentine]

okay, this might be a dumbass question, but for pregnant women is it safe? Is it safe to assume, since it's an inactivated virus, there will be no adverse effects to the fetus? I read in the past that there were studies down and they found no adverse affects but the sample size was like on 2.5k pregnant women.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: mrCide

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Kev
What an annoying article. The ideas are good but for some reason, with each sentence I get an increasing urge to punch whoever wrote it .

this. probably because he came off as a ATOT troll bitching and moaning about nothing.


and he forgot to mention my excuse for never getting the shot. i dont give a fuck. screw you and your flu shots, ill take my chances. because i dont give a fuck.

Frankly I don't give a damn that you don't give a fuck, the problem is people like you who choose to or are forced to work or decide to be social when they get the flu, thus fucking everyone else over against their will.

well, if i do start to show signs of sick ill make sure to come visit ya.

srsly, i rarely get sick, i dont work in health care or know anyone who does. my kids are older and rarely get sick beyond a 24 hr thing that will conveniently keep them home from school once in a while. over the last 5 years i have been sick once, had a fever for 2 days. according to you experts, id be a dumbass to think that was the flu.

in closing, i dont give a shit that you dont give a damn about me not giving a fuck.

 

[SunnyD]

Any doctor that repeatedly calls potential patients "Dumb Ass" should obviously be taken seriously... and should also have his license stripped for spreading several falsities himself.

 

[spidey07]

Only two times in my life have I had the flu. Those two times were within 7 days of getting a vaccine, the only times I got the vaccine. I will never, ever get a flu shot ever again. It cause me to get the flu.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

DP

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Thimerosal was not mentioned in that rebuttal anywhere.....

 

[Wheezer]

fuck the flu and fuck this idiot.

it's pretty simple...there is no way to ensure 100% that you will not get the flu even with a shot.

But you can significantly lesson it's effects by eating right, and maintaining good habits with or without the shot.

I prefer not to get one.....why?....because I don't...no reason I just don't want to.

I eat right, maintain my health and so far I have had one mild cold in the last 6 years while everyone around me felt like shit.

Don't call me selfish because I don't want to get a shot and now you're worried that you'll get sick because you like to stuff your face with Big Macs, fries and coke and then suck down a pack a day....you're health is not my problem....fuck you to.