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BLM Toronto co-founder asks Allah for strength not to kill white folks

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somebody who is frustrated and pissed off talking about wanting to kill people being the subject of the news, instead of the people who actually DID kill people ....

note, wanting to kill people is not threatening to kill people.

I don't know the Canadian constitution, but I do believe they have freedom of expression/speech rights similar to what we have in the states, no?
 
I first thought to address this by using a corollary for another marginalized group. First thing I thought of was a gay rights leader praying for strength not to kill straight people. It seems far fetched, but lacked in me any outrage. Then I thought of a feminist leader praying for strength not to kill men. That seems a lot more realistic, and yet also lacks in me any outrage.

I think our polarized emotional responses (either in anger for the statement, or in support for the statement) say a whole lot. It seems to be a challenge to accept that the wish to kill white people is wrong and wrongly expressed in public and also to accept the merits of the beliefs held by their speaker.

I believe most of us don't see conflict in extreme views held by activists for gay rights or women's equality, because I believe most of us believe in equal rights in these areas and recognize inequity.

Why, then, the emotional responses to this black leader? Clearly there are so many which, at least in public, do not hold the same beliefs. Especially in BLM, which lacks any central structure, one representative does not speak for the whole.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I'm late to the ownage. Sorry.
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Follow the bouncing ball...

The "I don't get it" refers to the level of comparable outrage.

The tweet was racially incendiary if not outright racist. However some guy in Toronto, a city in another country in case you didn't know, starts a BLM affiliate. Sends out a stupid tweet and maximum outrage condemning the entire rationale of the BLM movement is what I "don't get".
 
HomerJS said:
Let me understand this...

Someone from BLM praying for strength not to do harm to white people is more dangerous then right wing white supremacist groups who actually kill black people?

I still don't get it.
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Which white supremacist groups are killing black people, liar? Be specific.
 
eskimospy said:
Okay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof
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He is a group?

.... and wast there outrage, anger etc over it? Yep. Was he a vocal leader/member of some group that is supported in the mainstream? Nope. Is there someone saying we should be outraged about this particular tweet while not being outraged about actual violence and racism by others? Nope.

This racist idiot exposed her true colors for the world and should be condemned for her tweet. If the movement fails to condemn the tweet along with her other racist posts, it just confirms the racist nature of the movement itself.
 
PokerGuy said:
He is a group?
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He's someone who clearly identified with those groups. If you want to say he wasn't affiliated with ultra right wing white supremacist groups because he didn't have a membership card you're welcome to do so but I find that utterly unconvincing.

.... and wast there outrage, anger etc over it? Yep. Was he a vocal leader/member of some group that is supported in the mainstream? Nope. Is there someone saying we should be outraged about this particular tweet while not being outraged about actual violence and racism by others? Nope.

This racist idiot exposed her true colors for the world and should be condemned for her tweet. If the movement fails to condemn the tweet along with her other racist posts, it just confirms the racist nature of the movement itself.
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I already condemned this person for their stupid outburst. Roflmouth asked about white supremacist groups killing black people, basically saying it isn't happening. It was incredibly easy to show him how wrong he was.
 
interchange said:
I first thought to address this by using a corollary for another marginalized group. First thing I thought of was a gay rights leader praying for strength not to kill straight people. It seems far fetched, but lacked in me any outrage. Then I thought of a feminist leader praying for strength not to kill men. That seems a lot more realistic, and yet also lacks in me any outrage.

I think our polarized emotional responses (either in anger for the statement, or in support for the statement) say a whole lot. It seems to be a challenge to accept that the wish to kill white people is wrong and wrongly expressed in public and also to accept the merits of the beliefs held by their speaker.

I believe most of us don't see conflict in extreme views held by activists for gay rights or women's equality, because I believe most of us believe in equal rights in these areas and recognize inequity.

Why, then, the emotional responses to this black leader? Clearly there are so many which, at least in public, do not hold the same beliefs. Especially in BLM, which lacks any central structure, one representative does not speak for the whole.
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I can't see where you're coming from here. Those other statements don't "feel" any different to me. And I take as much issue with her inclusion of men as I do her inclusion of white people. I would take such issue with a statement directed at any similar group regardless of whether or not I belong to them. A statement like that made against women and black folks would be just as upsetting.

I think the statement is being blown out of proportion because I don't think this woman has the desire or inclination to actually kill anyone. It was hyperbole.

But I still think she's shown her prejudice and has issues viewing people as her enemies on the basis of their skin color or gender.
 
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And then there's this thing I found in the comments on the article...

The BLM activist decrying the media coverage, Sandra Hudson, seems like pure cancer. She and two other University of Toronto Student Union conspired to cheat the university out of nearly $250,000 as part of a fraudulent termination agreement and a sudden 1975 hour overtime charge.

http://thevarsity.ca/2015/09/24/uts...esident-vice-president-internal-and-services/

One of the other defendants settled and threw Hudson under the bus in the process:

http://themedium.ca/news/utsu-settles-suit-with-bollo-kamara

People need to gain a better awareness of how much activism positions like this are magnets for con artists and how much it hurts the cause when they're found out. If that isn't successfully buried anyway.
 
Blackjack200 said:
You don't think that black people are treated more harshly by law enforcement, up to and including the use of deadly force?
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That's beside the point. Because the solution involves helping EVERYBODY.
It's just not going to find as much support under a racial banner.
 
interchange said:
I first thought to address this by using a corollary for another marginalized group. First thing I thought of was a gay rights leader praying for strength not to kill straight people. It seems far fetched, but lacked in me any outrage. Then I thought of a feminist leader praying for strength not to kill men. That seems a lot more realistic, and yet also lacks in me any outrage.
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How about an abortion rights protestor praying for the strength not to kill abortion doctors? Is that a good corollary?
 
bshole said:
How about an abortion rights protestor praying for the strength not to kill abortion doctors? Is that a good corollary?
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Not a bad one at all. I don't see too many people feeling like recognizing horrific wrongness in murdering abortion doctors at all discrediting pro-life stances, nor do I see people compelled to support someone who would want to for fear of invalidating their belief that abortion is wrong. There would be some people, but the vast majority of pro-life people & organizers would be at the ready to condemn it.

There are some differences. For one, there is a lot more disagreement with abortion being ethical or not, whereas there is almost universal agreement that racism is wrong. I'd probably feel actually threatened if I were an abortion doc due to precedent by that person. Don't know of the actual data, both have happened, and maybe my perception of threat would be based on the selectivity of target.
 
I don't think these comments discredit BLM as a group, but I think that when they're spoken by a BLM community leader/figurehead it casts a lot of doubt on the other things they've said and yes, that takes away from the movement.

It doesn't help when you don't actually see other BLM figureheads denouncing it, and when her Toronto BLM co-founder (and massive fraudster) is outraged when asked for comment...
 
HomerJS said:
Let me understand this...

Someone from BLM praying for strength not to do harm to white people is more dangerous then right wing white supremacist groups who actually kill black people?

I still don't get it.
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i think you ate too many paint chips as a kid.
 
madoka said:
Khogali is a community organizer, activist and spoken word poet who “who uses her art as a form of resistance to challenge various forms of Canadian state-sanctioned anti-blackness,” according to her Facebook page.
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you canucks are the new south or something?
 
Jaskalas said:
That's beside the point. Because the solution involves helping EVERYBODY.
It's just not going to find as much support under a racial banner.
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That's exactly the point. If you accept that black people are treated more violently by society, then you accept that society is valuing their lives less. "Black Lives Matter" is rational cause in response.

I support the cause, even though I'm not black, because I understand where it's coming from. If someone else decides not to support it, that's up to them. I've thought carefully about the message and I believe it's the right one. Racism is one of the root issues, It cannot be ignored to make the message more palatable to people who don't understand or don't care.
 
Blackjack200 said:
That's exactly the point. If you accept that black people are treated more violently by society, then you accept that society is valuing their lives less. "Black Lives Matter" is rational cause in response.
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Say what now? The actions of the few dictate the values of the many?
 
interchange said:
Say what now? The actions of the few dictate the values of the many?
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Oh? Is there a movement happening to change police activity that the vast majority of people are a part of?

On this issue, it's the inaction of the many that's making their values clear.
 
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