Jeff7
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Yet there are other countries that very rarely use deadly force. We seem to have quite a few terrified, jittery officers that see lethal force as a quick solution to many perceived problems, rather than as an absolute last resort. If you are so willing to end another person's life, find another goddamn job.
As far as finding a cause, that doesn't seem likely. Root cause analysis can be hard work. We just want an easy scapegoat. (And is it any wonder then that systemic problems like this continue to persist?)
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JSt0rm
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better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 as the blue lives matter movement says.
umbrella39
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Don't confuse Derp Savage Fan with facts, this place is a cesspool of racists no matter how thinly veiled and clever they think they are. The lengths they go to whitewash their racist tendencies is amazing. They always slip up though and get banned. They are consumed with race and when you call them out it is YOU that is the racist for noticing their racism. What a tired, played out game they are losing...
master_shake_
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that's actually patently wrong.
allow me to demonstrate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE
same situation.
cop asked for id he went to get it and was shot.
he's looking at max 20 years for that.
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woolfe9998
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A video of a different incident does nothing to prove that this guy would have been shot if he had no firearm. 99.99% of the time a cop asks for ID he doesn't shoot you when you reach for it. In the .001 cases where they do, the reasons may vary from incident to incident. I don't know why the cop in your linked video shot the guy. But in this case, he had just told the officer that he had a gun. I find it hard to believe there is no connection between that and the shooting, that it is merely a coincidence that he had a gun and had just told the officer that right before he got shot.
Anyway, this is kind of a dumb argument since I already said that no generalizations can be made about a single incident like this. Even if this guy died in part because he had a gun, which I think is a reasonable conclusion, for all I know there may be more incidents were someone doesn't die because they have a gun than the other way around.
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bradly1101
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In the eighties a coworker of mine was trying to become a cop. He was refused by the force because he was overweight (which would obviously no longer be a problem). He moonlighted at a local racetrack as a security guard, and loved it when people would climb the fence to avoid paying. He said that causing them harm brought him a lot of pleasure.
Maybe it’s time to look closely at who desires a job with the police. Is this someone likely to escalate or deescalate a situation? Is this someone who enjoys violence? Clearly the current methods are flawed. And the behavior of these officers ends up costing tax payers millions, devastating families, and with the requisite miscarriage of justice when it all goes to a costly trial.
The world is watching and wondering. It’s obvious that getting as many people to own and carry guns as possible may not have been the best idea, lest there be any misunderstandings… From every angle this is chaos.
Maybe it’s time to look closely at who desires a job with the police. Is this someone likely to escalate or deescalate a situation? Is this someone who enjoys violence? Clearly the current methods are flawed. And the behavior of these officers ends up costing tax payers millions, devastating families, and with the requisite miscarriage of justice when it all goes to a costly trial.
The world is watching and wondering. It’s obvious that getting as many people to own and carry guns as possible may not have been the best idea, lest there be any misunderstandings… From every angle this is chaos.
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Jaskalas
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We seem to have a heavily armed population with great diversity and gang violence.
We are not one big happy communal family holed up on land the size of Vermont where a rifle is kept at home for emergencies. Our officers face guns, and face death by guns every week.
Guns are the solution to guns. It's a bit of a paradox, but we're stuck in it. They are terrified because they can be killed in the blink of an eye from a person placing their hand in their pocket. And I expect this is a more common reality in America than in most countries.
They found the bias even exists in minorities. That's fascinating. I'd like more research done to further understand it, to test and practice theories on it. With enough scientific study on a matter of social behavior and fear / reaction bias... I'm confident we can finally come to understand the threat perception failure, and learn how to adapt/overcome it with better safety for everyone.
Innocent people dying at the hands of officers is a preventable failure of our society.
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Sure seems like this cop is 100% in the wrong from the limited things I've read and seen about this. The woman was much more calm than he was. I do wish she would have helped her boyfriend though, tried to stop the bleeding or something, perhaps could have saved him. Very sad this happened in front of his daughter. Cop will and should face punishment.
Linux23
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WTF does this mean? Do you know what it's like being black or are you just watching what the media shows you and taking it from there?
Fanatical Meat
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I'm not certain but I believe she was told to keep her hands visible. I'm not a black guy who grew up in a city but I do believe its safe to assume that she feared being shot if she reached for the boy friend.
It is alarming that no help appeared to be rendered by her or the cop its something that needs to change.
**this part is speculating a bit** I think I heard last night the Police wanted to confiscate the phone, like the other shooting at the convenience store. Maybe they want evidence, maybe they want to review it to have a consistent story, maybe it would be lost or the data was unrecoverable. Either way its fishy.
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Don Vito Corleone
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I happen to have a considerable amount of experience in this area. I have represented police in several excessive-force cases, through trial, and, in another case, obtained the largest punitive damages award against a police officer in an excessive force case in the history of my state. I am very familiar with the continuum of force training given to police officers. I tend to be quite skeptical of drawing conclusions in use-of-force cases until all the evidence is in, because it's quite often the case that there was justification for the use of force that is not initially apparent.
All of this being said, the Philando Castile shooting (which happened about a mile from my house) is not one in which I can find any legitimate justification for the officer's actions, which were preserved on video. To me this was a clear-cut unjustified shooting, and a man who was, by all accounts, a solid citizen is dead because he reached for his wallet when asked to produce his license and registration, after being pulled over for a broken tail light. It's a tragedy.
I hope I somehow end up representing the estate in this case. I expect they already have counsel, but one never knows. There are some excellent lawyers handling cases of this nature in our area, but also some real clunkers. If I don't get it, I hope it goes to one of the good guys, because Philando's family deserves justice.
All of this being said, the Philando Castile shooting (which happened about a mile from my house) is not one in which I can find any legitimate justification for the officer's actions, which were preserved on video. To me this was a clear-cut unjustified shooting, and a man who was, by all accounts, a solid citizen is dead because he reached for his wallet when asked to produce his license and registration, after being pulled over for a broken tail light. It's a tragedy.
I hope I somehow end up representing the estate in this case. I expect they already have counsel, but one never knows. There are some excellent lawyers handling cases of this nature in our area, but also some real clunkers. If I don't get it, I hope it goes to one of the good guys, because Philando's family deserves justice.
Homerboy
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Doc Savage Fan
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dank69
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She would be dead now, too, if she reached for him. That chickenshit pig has no business in uniform. None. Every cop should be saying the same. If cops want me to start crying for their lost brethren in Dallas, they can start by crying for these victims instead of working day and night to make sure these shitty cops avoid real justice.
K1052
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Facebook glitch that deleted the Philando Castile shooting vid: It was the police sources
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/08/castile_shooting_police_deletion/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/08/castile_shooting_police_deletion/
They always use 'glitch' when accidents like this happen. Glitch is a non-explanation, it's what you tell nontechnical management after you identify the actual cause of the 'glitch' and fix the problem.
SheHateMe
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purbeast0
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lol ... as a software dev myself, this is such a pile of horse shit that it was a "glitch".
Doc Savage Fan
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Believe it or not I've been thinking about you quite often the past 16-20 hours.
SheHateMe
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After you said I had a Low IQ?
Oh, I'm so sure. What were you thinking about? Whether or not I was protesting somewhere?
Don't worry, I was at home because my mom wanted her kids to be with her and not driving around in fear that something would happen to us. I'm 26 and my mom is worried about me.
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