In this case, owning a gun didn't protect him, nor did anyone ever claim that owning a gun is a miracle fix that will protect you in every scenario. That's just strawman BS.
In this case, owning a gun didn't protect him, nor did anyone ever claim that owning a gun is a miracle fix that will protect you in every scenario. That's just strawman BS.
Subyman
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That's what gun rights advocates should be making sure of. If this guy was legally carrying as the article says and the cop gunned him down, then gun guys should be rabid.
Zstream
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Go look at statistics of police violence, and it's statistically shocking. Shocking as in it happens much less than the media likes to admit.
Can we have a daily mourning on Monday for all the people who die in Chicago each weekend? That's the true outrage, but it doesn't play to people's emotions.
If the facts are as they appear to be, then yes, they should be rabid and they are. The guy apparently was smart and even told the officer that he had a concealed weapon. Often things go south when the officer doesn't know and then all of a sudden sees a glimpse of a weapon or something... but that's not what happened here. Seems like the victim did everything by the book, but still ended up dead because of the mixup and a panicked cop.
woolfe9998
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Correction, owning a gun didn't merely fail to protect him; it actually got him killed. That said, a single incident doesn't prove much of anything about...anything.
bshole
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Wasn't telling the cop that he had a concealed carry the fatal mistake?... or perhaps going for his driver's license. What he should have done was put his hands up. He then should have asked permission to reach for his driver's license. He should have then judged the cop's reaction. If the cop was acting dicey, he should have asked to step out of the car so the cop could reach for the wallet and take it out. At no point should he have put his hands down without the cops ok. This wouldn't have guaranteed his safety but it would have upped his chances.
I guess it is out of the realm of possibility to hire officers who aren't chicken shit clowns.
buckshot24
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buckshot24
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The same way wearing a life preserver will protect you when you fall out of an airplane.
It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see how just carrying a gun could escalate some situations where the other party also has a gun. How much that balances against other cases where it deescalates situations or has other positive benefits is really hard to even figure out how to study, let alone actually study.
But you can't really use a situation like this to bring such things up very successfully anyway. Not when it involves an innocent person being murdered by a police officer. Looks too much like victim blaming.
Pipeline 1010
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Police families experience domestic violence at a rate of 2x - 4x that of the general population. This is a higher rate than NFL player families. How's that for violence statistics? How in the world can you believe that people so violent toward their own beloved families wouldn't be unnecessarily violent toward people they view as degenerates, especially when there is an astronomically high chance they will get away with it?
There will be more Chicago murderers convicted this month than the number of cops convicted of murder in the last decade. The outrage here is directed at the fact that the behavior goes unpunished with cops, seemingly for no other reason than cop. How did you fail to grasp the distinction?
Pipeline 1010
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Pipeline 1010
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Who gets to control and determine what the "facts" are? Police officers? That sure works out nicely for cops, doesn't it? Everyone must not discuss nor form opinions on what they saw/heard on video until COPS tell us what we saw and heard and what all the facts are.
May I have the same benefits? Nobody may discuss my potential crimes until my coworker buddies tell them what happened. If you would never consider giving me such protections, then why would you consider it for cops, who self-admittedly should be held to a HIGHER standard?
Sulaco
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You have the biggest victim and persecution mentality of almost any individual on here, which is saying something. Perhaps that's what purbeast meant when he says your posts are "painful" to read.
Compounded by the fact that you do exactly what you find so reprehensible in others; lumping groups of people together based on little to no other criteria then the fact they have a different opinion or deign to critique some of your "woe is me" postings.
Criticism and critique ≠ persecution. Nobody is trying to silence you or marginalize your opinion, and reading your constant martyr ramblings is beyond tedious, and you're simply getting called on it.
woolfe9998
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...which likely wouldn't have happened had he not been in possession of a firearm. See how things can have more than one cause?
Linux23
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NAC4EV
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This is seriously fucked up.
Top to bottom, the government in this country cannot be trusted.
Correction: This country is seriously fucked up.
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