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Blix doubts Falluja chemical arms find

BBond

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Blix doubts Falluja chemical arms find

Friday 26 November 2004, 8:27 Makka Time, 5:27 GMT

Former UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix says he would be surprised if a chemical laboratory found in the Iraqi city of Falluja was capable of creating weapons.

"Let's see what the chemicals are," Blix told a packed gathering of the Oxford Union debating club on Thursday, after Iraqi officials said they had uncovered a chemical bomb factory in Falluja.

"Many of these stories evaporate when they are looked at more closely," he told the mainly student crowd. "The chances [that the laboratory could produce weapons] are, I think, relatively small. I would be surprised if it was something real."

Blix, a former Swedish diplomat, was tasked to search for weapons of mass destruction in the 15 weeks leading up to the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Workshop found

In Baghdad, Iraqi security chief Qasim Dawud said national guardsmen had found a workshop in Falluja used to manufacture explosives and chemical substances.

"In a house in the industrial district, in southwest Falluja, national guardsmen discovered a chemical materials laboratory that was used to make explosives and toxic substances," he said.

"There were also pamphlets showing ways to make explosives, toxic substances, including anthrax," he said.

On Wednesday, US Lieutenant-Colonel Dan Wilson said troops had been surprised by the number of weapons found, describing it as capable of sustaining a "free-for-all in the city of Falluja for months".
AFP
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Blix doubts Falluja chemical arms find

Friday 26 November 2004, 8:27 Makka Time, 5:27 GMT

Former UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix says he would be surprised if a chemical laboratory found in the Iraqi city of Falluja was capable of creating weapons.

"Let's see what the chemicals are," Blix told a packed gathering of the Oxford Union debating club on Thursday, after Iraqi officials said they had uncovered a chemical bomb factory in Falluja.

"Many of these stories evaporate when they are looked at more closely," he told the mainly student crowd. "The chances [that the laboratory could produce weapons] are, I think, relatively small. I would be surprised if it was something real."

Blix, a former Swedish diplomat, was tasked to search for weapons of mass destruction in the 15 weeks leading up to the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Workshop found

In Baghdad, Iraqi security chief Qasim Dawud said national guardsmen had found a workshop in Falluja used to manufacture explosives and chemical substances.

"In a house in the industrial district, in southwest Falluja, national guardsmen discovered a chemical materials laboratory that was used to make explosives and toxic substances," he said.

"There were also pamphlets showing ways to make explosives, toxic substances, including anthrax," he said.

On Wednesday, US Lieutenant-Colonel Dan Wilson said troops had been surprised by the number of weapons found, describing it as capable of sustaining a "free-for-all in the city of Falluja for months".
AFP

Even if some were found... how could they know, at this point in this debacle, when and where it originated from? Doing 15th hour "LOOK WE FOUND WMD'S" just isn't going to cut it. Not when they let the borders of Iraq be as pourous as gauze.
 
They use stories such as this, along with stories of inflated numbers of foreign fighters in Fallujah, to justify destroying a city and killing its civilian population.

US 'inflated' foreign fighters' number

Friday 26 November 2004, 13:58 Makka Time, 10:58 GMT

Washington exaggerated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq to justify the recent assault on Falluja, an official Syrian daily has said.

A massive US-led assault on Falluja began 10 days ago with the alleged aim of wresting control of the city from foreign fighters.

The US says the men were led by Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other fighters opposed to the US presence in Iraq.

Washington has repeatedly accused Syria and Iran of allowing
foreign fighters to cross their borders with Iraq to join the Falluja resistance.

However, al-Thawra publication said on Thursday: "The question of foreign fighters crossing Iraqi [borders] has been exaggerated, given that only 24 of the 1000 men captured in Falluja are foreign."

Revised figures

Of the more than 1000 men aged between 15 and 55 who were captured in intense fighting in Falluja last week, just 15 are confirmed foreign fighters, General George Casey, the top US ground commander in Iraq, said on Monday.

Several senior commanders agree that the overwhelming majority of fighters are drawn from tens of thousands of former government employees whose sympathies lie with Saddam Hussein, unemployed criminals who find work laying roadside bombs, and Iraqi "religious extremists".

Also on Monday, interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi acknowledged that anti-US fighters were largely made up of his countrymen.

But he maintained that foreign fighters had often been responsible for car bombings and other spectacular attacks that he said were designed to derail elections scheduled for January.

Falluja 'destruction'

For its part, the Syrian daily warned "the destruction of Falluja is a message sent to other Iraqi cities, threatening them with the same fate if they rebel against the occupation and hinder plans made for the Americanisation of Iraq".

The United States must "prove that al-Zarqawi is not a ghost who serves to cover the intentions of the American invasion, as with the question of weapons of mass destruction which was exaggerated in order to launch the Iraq war" in March 2003.

Washington slapped unilateral sanctions on Damascus in May, claiming it was supporting terrorism and seeking to develop weapons of mass destruction, charges denied by Syria.

In September, Syria undertook to tighten its 600km border with Iraq, which was closed as part of a state of emergency declared in Iraq on 7 November.

The Syrian rebuke comes after US officials admitted only about 5% of fighters recently captured in Falluja were of foreign origin.

Aljazeera + Agencies
 
It's pretty easy to make a little bit of antrax. What's hard is making enough of it and devising a delivery mechanism that would make it an effective WMD.

Would you consider what happened in DC post-9/11 a WMD attack?
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
It's pretty easy to make a little bit of antrax. What's hard is making enough of it and devising a delivery mechanism that would make it an effective WMD.

Would you consider what happened in DC post-9/11 a WMD attack?

I consider what happened in DC, Florida, and NY after 9/11 to be a warning to the press and opposition senators.

 
Sounds like Blix may still be on the Saddam/UN payroll. Still, trying his hardest to make Saddam look as innocent as possible. How could anyone trust anything that comes out of that corrupt pile of **** in NYC.
 
any weapons/whatever find now is purely illegitimate, as Bush's Regime has had almost 2 years now to plant anything incriminating.

it's as illegitimate as bush's regime

next....
 
bombs are made out of chemicals therefore must be made in chemical labs

and thus cannot travel thru time

didn't you learn anything from T2?
 
However, al-Thawra publication said on Thursday: "The question of foreign fighters crossing Iraqi [borders] has been exaggerated, given that only 24 of the 1000 men captured in Falluja are foreign."

they are not American which makes them foreign. whichs means we captured 1024

Connecticut: Where Presidents from Texas are Born
Iraq: The Halliburton State
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Sounds like Blix may still be on the Saddam/UN payroll. Still, trying his hardest to make Saddam look as innocent as possible. How could anyone trust anything that comes out of that corrupt pile of **** in NYC.

Ignorance is truly bliss, isn't it?

Back it up, AFAIK NO ONE has accused Blix of being corrupt, i know it stings that the clown you call a president was wrong and that stuck up Swede was right.

I guess that is why you say he is corrupt without any kind of evidence and without anything known that even suggests he is.

So put a link to the accusation or STFU. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
However, al-Thawra publication said on Thursday: "The question of foreign fighters crossing Iraqi [borders] has been exaggerated, given that only 24 of the 1000 men captured in Falluja are foreign."

they are not American which makes them foreign. whichs means we captured 1024

Connecticut: Where Presidents from Texas are Born
Iraq: The Halliburton State

If it isn't FOX News me and Billy Bob ain't gonna trust them.

Y'all are corrupt turrrurists or sumthin', with us or against us.

Mission accomplished, c'mon and join the photo op instead of worrying with details like truth.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Sounds like Blix may still be on the Saddam/UN payroll. Still, trying his hardest to make Saddam look as innocent as possible. How could anyone trust anything that comes out of that corrupt pile of **** in NYC.

Three sentences. Each one more asinine than the previous.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Sounds like Blix may still be on the Saddam/UN payroll. Still, trying his hardest to make Saddam look as innocent as possible. How could anyone trust anything that comes out of that corrupt pile of **** in NYC.

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Sounds like Blix may still be on the Saddam/UN payroll. Still, trying his hardest to make Saddam look as innocent as possible. How could anyone trust anything that comes out of that corrupt pile of **** in NYC.

Aww man, that's a joke right? That's sarcasm right? *taps sarcasm meter*
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: irwincur
Sounds like Blix may still be on the Saddam/UN payroll. Still, trying his hardest to make Saddam look as innocent as possible. How could anyone trust anything that comes out of that corrupt pile of **** in NYC.

Aww man, that's a joke right? That's sarcasm right? *taps sarcasm meter*

The neocons are mad at Dr. Blix because it turned out he was right about NO WMD in Iraq.

They attack anyone who opposes them, even when those opposing them are right and they are wrong. It's their mandatory defense mechanism because they are wrong so often.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: irwincur
Sounds like Blix may still be on the Saddam/UN payroll. Still, trying his hardest to make Saddam look as innocent as possible. How could anyone trust anything that comes out of that corrupt pile of **** in NYC.

Aww man, that's a joke right? That's sarcasm right? *taps sarcasm meter*

The neocons are mad at Dr. Blix because it turned out he was right about NO WMD in Iraq.

They attack anyone who opposes them, even when those opposing them are right and they are wrong. It's their mandatory defense mechanism because they are wrong so often.

Attacking someone who supports the side that is backed by all the facts is a loosing proposition. It just makes you look stupider than sh!t and alienates anyone who's on the fence. I'm not sure why irwincur and others continue to do it. It's not going to win you any friends.
 
From Rainsford-

Attacking someone who supports the side that is backed by all the facts is a loosing proposition. It just makes you look stupider than sh!t and alienates anyone who's on the fence. I'm not sure why irwincur and others continue to do it. It's not going to win you any friends.

It's based on the principle that the truth doesn't matter. Repeating a lie often enough creates the perception that it is the truth. Check the results of the election to see just how effectively that works...
 
this is the same Blix that failed to guard al qaqaa arms facility with his UN peacekeepers after we were bombing everything giving terrorists access to 700,000lbs of IAEA grade explosives. Blix is practically with the terrorists, just like the IAEA
 
When was Blix last in Iraq?

The Clinton Debacle?

Yeah, hes got the facts.

"That there were such unresolved issues does not mean, Blix notes, that Iraq had in fact retained its WMD; it just meant that they had not provided the UN with sufficient evidence of their destruction if that was the case. Because Iraq had on prior occasions hidden proscribed WMD and programs from UN inspectors, there was little confidence placed by Blix, his staff or Council members in Iraqi declarations that it had none left and all had been previously destroyed."
 
Originally posted by: Tylanner
When was Blix last in Iraq?

The Clinton Debacle?

Yeah, hes got the facts.

No, Blix was last in Iraq immediately preceding the Bush debacle. And he did have the facts straight, then and now.

When are you people going to learn how to simply admit you are wrong? Do you realize how stupid it looks to insist you're right when you've been so clearly proven wrong?

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Tylanner
When was Blix last in Iraq?

The Clinton Debacle?

Yeah, hes got the facts.

No, Blix was last in Iraq immediately preceding the Bush debacle. And he did have the facts straight, then and now.

When are you people going to learn how to simply admit you are wrong? Do you realize how stupid it looks to insist you're right when you've been so clearly proven wrong?

So clearly?

"Blix doubts", thats clearly?

I'm trusting the people there, on the ground.
 
Originally posted by: Tylanner
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Tylanner
When was Blix last in Iraq?

The Clinton Debacle?

Yeah, hes got the facts.

No, Blix was last in Iraq immediately preceding the Bush debacle. And he did have the facts straight, then and now.

When are you people going to learn how to simply admit you are wrong? Do you realize how stupid it looks to insist you're right when you've been so clearly proven wrong?

So clearly?

"Blix doubts", thats clearly?

I'm trusting the people there, on the ground.


It's no use arguing with you if you insist on being too ignorant to recognize the facts. Blix and ElBaradei were conducting inspections before Bush told them to get out of Iraq before the bombs start falling. They told Bush there were NO WMD in Iraq and in the 20 months since, after spending over $150 million on the Iraq Survey Group, there are indeed NO WMD in Iraq.

But you and several million Americans can feel free to ignore the facts.


 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Tylanner
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Tylanner
When was Blix last in Iraq?

The Clinton Debacle?

Yeah, hes got the facts.

No, Blix was last in Iraq immediately preceding the Bush debacle. And he did have the facts straight, then and now.

When are you people going to learn how to simply admit you are wrong? Do you realize how stupid it looks to insist you're right when you've been so clearly proven wrong?

So clearly?

"Blix doubts", thats clearly?

I'm trusting the people there, on the ground.


It's no use arguing with you if you insist on being too ignorant to recognize the facts. Blix and ElBaradei were conducting inspections before Bush told them to get out of Iraq before the bombs start falling. They told Bush there were NO WMD in Iraq and in the 20 months since, after spending over $150 million on the Iraq Survey Group, there are indeed NO WMD in Iraq.

But you and several million Americans can feel free to ignore the facts.

Wait, your calling Saddam a Honest and Cooperative dictator?
 
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