Blatant racism/sterotyping in P&N

[Hacp]

In this thread, EagleKeeper is frankly being offensive to Chinese people. Chinatown is an offensive and degrading slang term used to describe Chinese people, much like N-bomb is used to describe Black people. It usually isn't an offensive term, and can be used in a non offensive way, but he went too far with that post.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2089966&enterthread=y


In another thread, Rpanic links to an article talking about a Hispanic man who molested 3 children in an illegal immigration thread. There is no evidence that the Hispanic man was illegal, and I feel that he tried to imply that all Hispanic people were illegals.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2090237&enterthread=y

Both of these posts are in the first page. I usually don't have a problem with even the harshest personal attacks, but when people start making offensive remarks based on race, I think it goes a little too far.


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[Red Dawn]

So your the guy who started all this PC crap. I have a request, knock it off, you're making our society a mess.

The above response was made as a Member not a Moderator. Because I've participated as a Member I cannot Moderate this thread nor would I want to waste my time doing so! I'm totally within my rights here as a member to mock you for being ridiculous and I suggest you not go back to P&N until you can grow some thicker skin!

The term Chinatown is racist:roll:

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So your the guy who started all this PC crap. I have a request, knock it off, you're making our society a mess.

The above response was made as a Member not a Moderator. Because I've participated as a Member I cannot Moderate this thread nor would I want to waste my time doing so! I'm totally within my rights here as a member to mock you for being ridiculous and I suggest you not go back to P&N until you can grow some thicker skin!

The term Chinatown is racist:roll:

I take it you aren't Chinese.It is offensive to me when someone uses Chinatown to describe me or my actions. It is a degrading word.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So your the guy who started all this PC crap. I have a request, knock it off, you're making our society a mess.

The above response was made as a Member not a Moderator. Because I've participated as a Member I cannot Moderate this thread nor would I want to waste my time doing so! I'm totally within my rights here as a member to mock you for being ridiculous and I suggest you not go back to P&N until you can grow some thicker skin!

The term Chinatown is racist:roll:

I take it you aren't Chinese.

It is offensive to me when someone uses Chinatown to describe me or my actions.

It is a degrading word.

Interesting, guess it's time to wipe out an entire section of New York City?

 

[Red Dawn]

No I'm a Cockasian

Sorry I lost it, I think you are being a little too sensitive. It's not as if he said Chinaman. If the term Chinatown was so racist wouldn't you think the city of SanFrancisco, one of the most liberal and PC places in the US, would stop using it to promote tourism?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No I'm a Cockasian

Sorry I lost it, I think you are being a little too sensitive. It's not as if he said Chinaman. If the term Chinatown was so racist wouldn't you think the city of SanFrancisco, one of the most liberal and PC places in the US, would stop using it to promote tourism?

I thought San Fran had one too but never been there so wasn't sure.

Atlanta has a very small section called Chinatown too.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No I'm a Cockasian

Sorry I lost it, I think you are being a little too sensitive. It's not as if he said Chinaman. If the term Chinatown was so racist wouldn't you think the city of SanFrancisco, one of the most liberal and PC places in the US, would stop using it to promote tourism?

I thought San Fran had one too but never been there so wasn't sure.

Atlanta has a very small section called Chinatown too.

Yeah they have one in Frisco, it's one if it's major tourist attractions. They always promote the Chinese New Years parade in "Chinatown"

 

[Fulcrum]

:roll:

P&N is P&N. Always has been, always will be.

If you are going to read or post in there at all, expect that you're going to encounter material that will undoubtedly offend you at some point. If you can't handle being offended at what someone writes from time to time as you can?t just shrug such things off, then you had best stay out of P&N. There's a reason some of us don't venture there much. I suggest you either follow suit or stop whining about what you might encounter there. You shouldn?t walk into a freezer and then complain that you?re cold, just as you shouldn?t complain about anything in P&N, because in there pretty much anything goes.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So your the guy who started all this PC crap. I have a request, knock it off, you're making our society a mess.

The above response was made as a Member not a Moderator. Because I've participated as a Member I cannot Moderate this thread nor would I want to waste my time doing so! I'm totally within my rights here as a member to mock you for being ridiculous and I suggest you not go back to P&N until you can grow some thicker skin!

The term Chinatown is racist:roll:

I take it you aren't Chinese.It is offensive to me when someone uses Chinatown to describe me or my actions. It is a degrading word.

Well, nobody used it to describe you or your actions or anyone else or their actions. Eaglekeeper used it to note a location.

Look!
Chinatown San Francisco
Chinatown Los Angeles
Chinatown New York City

As to the second thread, you are right in that there's absolutely nothing in the article saying that the Hispanic male in question is illegal or even thought to be illegal and you called the poster on putting it in the thread.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Most major cities have an area that is called Chinatown.
To expand on the list

Boston
Las Vegas
Denver

There was no racial slur within anything I wrote, nor will you ever find any racial slurs in any of my posts.

As Allisolm indicated, I was describing an area of town that many Chinese (& Asian) businesses are located and many Chinese (& Asian) people choose to visit/shop/hang out.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No I'm a Cockasian

Sorry I lost it, I think you are being a little too sensitive. It's not as if he said Chinaman. If the term Chinatown was so racist wouldn't you think the city of SanFrancisco, one of the most liberal and PC places in the US, would stop using it to promote tourism?

I did not coin the term. It is not some strange insult that originated in China. Its used as a deragatory term in the United States. People in the United States knowningly use it to degrade Chinese people.

 

[imported_Baloo]

Originally posted by: allisolm


As to the second thread, you are right in that there's absolutely nothing in the article saying that the Hispanic male in question is illegal or even thought to be illegal and you called the poster on putting it in the thread.

hmm, true, but it was about a sexual assault, and the thread was about sexual assaults.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Most major cities have an area that is called Chinatown.
To expand on the list

Boston
Las Vegas
Denver

There was no racial slur within anything I wrote, nor will you ever find any racial slurs in any of my posts.

As Allisolm indicated, I was describing an area of town that many Chinese (& Asian) businesses are located and many Chinese (& Asian) people choose to visit/shop/hang out.

You were expaning on a racial steryotype, associating this person with an area. It was offensive, kind of like how people say, "Go back to Chinatown".

I admit, you did not use the term as a racial slur. However, you did use it as a derogatory racial stereotype.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Baloo

Originally posted by: allisolm


As to the second thread, you are right in that there's absolutely nothing in the article saying that the Hispanic male in question is illegal or even thought to be illegal and you called the poster on putting it in the thread.

hmm, true, but it was about a sexual assault, and the thread was about sexual assaults.

The thread was about Illegal Aliens accused of taking part in sexual assults. To think otherwise would be ignorance.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Most major cities have an area that is called Chinatown.
To expand on the list

Boston
Las Vegas
Denver

There was no racial slur within anything I wrote, nor will you ever find any racial slurs in any of my posts.

As Allisolm indicated, I was describing an area of town that many Chinese (& Asian) businesses are located and many Chinese (& Asian) people choose to visit/shop/hang out.

You were expaning on a racial steryotype, associating this person with an area. It was offensive, kind of like how people say, "Go back to Chinatown".

A person who is collecting political donations in much more apt to collect from people who are similar in culture , political goals and taste.

Logic and history have shown this to be true.

A Chinese person is more apt to collect donations from other Chinese than go to a Korean/Japanese/Filipino, etc.

However, you also overlooked the sarcasm implied within my statement; Where are the donations being collected from.

It is a stretch to expect someone to be donating that amount of personal funds given the situation described. Plus they admitted that the funds were collected.

w/ Clinton, the funds came from China and were "washed" through the Chinese connections and claimed to be "collected" from local businesses.

 

[yllus]

Man, remind me to never make a post about living one major street over from the Gay Village in Toronto. Hell, even major websites list it as such. :Q

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Most major cities have an area that is called Chinatown.
To expand on the list

Boston
Las Vegas
Denver

There was no racial slur within anything I wrote, nor will you ever find any racial slurs in any of my posts.

As Allisolm indicated, I was describing an area of town that many Chinese (& Asian) businesses are located and many Chinese (& Asian) people choose to visit/shop/hang out.

You were expaning on a racial steryotype, associating this person with an area. It was offensive, kind of like how people say, "Go back to Chinatown".

A person who is collecting political donations in much more apt to collect from people who are similar in culture , political goals and taste.

Logic and history have shown this to be true.

A Chinese person is more apt to collect donations from other Chinese than go to a Korean/Japanese/Filipino, etc.

However, you also overlooked the sarcasm implied within my statement; Where are the donations being collected from.

It is a stretch to expect someone to be donating that amount of personal funds given the situation described. Plus they admitted that the funds were collected.

w/ Clinton, the funds came from China and were "washed" through the Chinese connections and claimed to be "collected" from local businesses.

Would it have been that hard to explain your thoughts like that, instead of resorting to racial stereotypes?

Again, its an offensive stereotype. Would I be offended if he actually did collect money from the streets of Chinatown and you mentioned it? No. But to associate Chinatown with this family ,without any connection other than the fact that they're chinese ,is my problem with what you wrote.

 

[EagleKeeper]

It revolves on the fact that you are choosing to take "Chinatown" as a slur rather than a location.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It revolves on the fact that you are choosing to take "Chinatown" as a slur rather than a location.

1) It is a slur, but as I admitted in an edited post above, you did not use it as such.
2) You used it as racial stereotype. As I said, why did you associate Chinatown with this man and his family even if there is no connection that you know of between the family and Chinatown, other than the fact that they're Chinese?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chinatown is an offensive and degrading slang term used to describe Chinese people...

No, it's not.

In another thread, Rpanic links to an article talking about a Hispanic man [...] and I feel that he tried to imply that all Hispanic people were illegals.

You are free to feel whatever tender delusions you wish, just please don't clog up FI with them. You''re wasting our time and making yourself look bad.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chinatown is an offensive and degrading slang term used to describe Chinese people, much like N-bomb is used to describe Black people.

I call bullshit!

I call more bullshit!

I call even more bullshit!

I call LOTS more bullshit!

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chinatown is an offensive and degrading slang term used to describe Chinese people...

No, it's not.

Yes it is. However, I'm glad that you have never come across it used in this way before, as it is a slur when someone says, "What are you doing here Chinatown" or something similar when you walk by. However, as I admitted before, it was not used in this manner here. Instead, it was used as a racial stereotype that is offensive frankly. I was offended when I read it, and I couldn't pinpoint why at first.

In another thread, Rpanic links to an article talking about a Hispanic man [...] and I feel that he tried to imply that all Hispanic people were illegals.

You are free to feel whatever tender delusions you wish, just please don't clog up FI with them. You''re wasting our time and making yourself look bad.

He openly admitted that he assumed that the guy was illegal further reinforcing the stereotype that either any Hispanic you walk across is an illegal, or that all illegals are rapists/muderers/etc.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Hacp
Chinatown is an offensive and degrading slang term used to describe Chinese people, much like N-bomb is used to describe Black people.

I call bullshit!

I call more bullshit!

I call even more bullshit!

I call LOTS more bullshit!

And I can't find the word wixxen on google either, so it mustn't be a term used to degrade jews at all!

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Hacp
I was offended when I read it, and I couldn't pinpoint why at first.

Are you sure that your reaction as noted above wasn't your contrary political opinion influencing your feelings? It sounds like you got angry/irritated and then searched for a way to attack the people you highlighted.

Edit: Not to say that isn't entirely human or that any of us haven't fallen prey to those feelings at one point or another. But I think you can see that the vast majority of people here disagree with you (not even one person agrees) so we might be on to something.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Hacp
I'm glad that you have never come across it used in this way before, as it is a slur when someone says, "What are you doing here Chinatown" or something similar [...]
I was offended when I read it, and I couldn't pinpoint why at first.

Hey, man, I'm sure you've encountered your share of racist assholes out there, but just because some knuckle dragger tries to use "Chinatown" as a derogatory term doesn't automatically make it one, and I simply think you need to lighten up just a bit, is all.

Harvey is no racist. His butt bleeds liberal kumbaya goodness, fer Chirst's sake!

Hacp, no offense, really, but you've simply got to chose your battles more wisely, or no one is going to listen to you at all, and the real racists will have a field day.

Peace.