Blanco Or Sicko?

[Zebo]

Something that's been bothering me about what the Govenor said maybe someone can shed some light.

Blanco said "They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

So are they going to blow away someone ripping off a Plasma TV? How will they decren if it's your house or not you're getting the items from?

Eitherway I find it very disturbing our country is deteriorating into an acceptance of brutality and excessive use of force on our own citizens to this point. And it is excessive, death is not justice for theft, least no sentence I've ever heard of. Not to mention I find it doubtful the agents/gaurdsmen will be right 100% of the time as mentioned earier.

What do you guys think? Justice? or crazed woman?

 

[Taggart]

I would think she is talking about the thugs shooting at ambulances and helicopters, as well as shooting cops.

 

[OS]

I'm not even sure looters is a good term anymore, it's basically rioting and general lawlessness. There are reports of the authorities/police being attacked, things like helicopters/patrol vehicles being shot at. You'd have to be one fcked up person to be attacking the same people who are trying to save everyone around you.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Taggart
I would think she is talking about the thugs shooting at ambulances and helicopters, as well as shooting cops.

She did'nt say in the quote I read but lets hope so.. I've been reading here some people think shooting was good enough for any of these thugs no matter degree hopefully she does'nt have this engagement plan. Anyone seen ROE?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Lt. General Honore, as I saw in a CNN video, saw soldiers and officers walking the city streets with guns drawn.

He immediately told them to "Put your God damn weapons down."

:thumbsup: to Lt. General Honore

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Something that's been bothering me about what the Govenor said maybe someone can shed some light.

Blanco said "They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

So are they going to blow away someone ripping off a Plasma TV? How will they decren if it's your house or not you're getting the items from?

Eitherway I find it very disturbing our country is deteriorating into an acceptance of brutality and excessive use of force on our own citizens to this point. And it is excessive, death is not justice for theft, least no sentence I've ever heard of. Not to mention I find it doubtful the agents/gaurdsmen will be right 100% of the time as mentioned earier.

What do you guys think? Justice? or crazed woman?

Just curious... but are you really going to carry your plasma TV (which is covered by your homeowners insurance) through sewage infected waters on your way to an aid center?

It's called common sense. If you're starving and in desperate need of water the last thing you're going to do is carry your plasma TV through chest deep waters flooded with sewage and dead bodies.

Normal people leave their posessions behind and pray for their survival. Looters carry their booty.

 

[Zebo]

I would definity be carrying my guns out of my house for all sorts of reasons even though they are covered. Does'nt have to be a TV just an example

 

[TRUMPHENT]

It was the appropriate response to the situation at the time. It's questonanble how many of the lawless individuals got the message. They will get it the moment they see a military presence. Which thoretically is working under the control and guidance of local law enforcement officials.

The first thing that had to be done was restore law and order. It happens every time there is a sudden disruption local law enforcement.

 

[Zebo]

How about none "got the message"? AFAIK no power, no cable, no nothin for the people inside NO to see her threatening remarks.

More I think about it more I think she was grandstanding. If no one can hear your message, what's the point? "Tough on crime" for the voters in the rest of the state who can hear it. Even GW, a proof positive Saddist, was'nt making such rediculus threatening remarks.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

I'm not a mindreader so I can't say with 100 percent certainty why she uttered those exact words. It's like chickensoup. It can't hurt. It would also serve as a morale boost to the city employees that remained on their jobs.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Zebo
How about none "got the message"? AFAIK no power, no cable, no nothin for the people inside NO to see her threatening remarks.

More I think about it more I think she was grandstanding. If no one can hear your message, what's the point? "Tough on crime" for the voters in the rest of the state who can hear it. Even GW, a proof positive Saddist, was'nt making such rediculus threatening remarks.

I'm inclined to agree. Despite my GOPie roots, I'm not inclined to say Haley Barbour was the paragon of strength under duress, while Blanco folded like a Walmart lawn chair. Blanco's state really took a hit of arguably unprecedented scope. Technically, she was "ultimately" in charge, yet she either had no idea what to do or knew what to do but had woefully inadequate resources. Either way, she was less than reassuring during the first 24-48 hours and appeared to overcompensate afterwards.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
It would also serve as a morale boost to the city employees that remained on their jobs.

Or a licence to kill. That's what preturbs me so much as I mentioned in OP.

BaliBabyDoc- I prolly get labled a sexist for this but I don't care since it's how I feel but I have a general distrust of women in law enforcement after rubi ridge and waco murders. Over compensating to prove they are tougher than thier male peers?

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
It would also serve as a morale boost to the city employees that remained on their jobs.

Or a licence to kill. That's what preturbs me so much as I mentioned in OP.

BaliBabyDoc- I prolly get labled a sexist for this but I don't care since it's how I feel but I have a general distrust of women in law enforcement after rubi ridge and waco murders. Over compensating to prove they are tougher than thier male peers?

"A lincence to kill", That is alarmist in the extreme. You need to take a moment. I have been in Army and the National Guard. I would have a greater fear of answering to someone lke General Honore over a shooting than pretty much everything else. We are finally seeing the Guard do what they were intended. Restoring the order and law in the city is their mission. It is not to incite or inflame the situation.

I am sure the NG soldiers have weapons and ammunition. I am sure it won't be used unless the rules of engagement call for it. You need to take a nap.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
It would also serve as a morale boost to the city employees that remained on their jobs.

Or a licence to kill. That's what preturbs me so much as I mentioned in OP.

BaliBabyDoc- I prolly get labled a sexist for this but I don't care since it's how I feel but I have a general distrust of women in law enforcement after rubi ridge and waco murders. Over compensating to prove they are tougher than thier male peers?

Eh, I'm not sure I buy your logic. Reno made judgments based on information she received from the field. I don't recall her "official" response to Ruby Ridge, but after it went FUBAR at Waco she at least took "credit". How many men with questionable cajones credentials have done so in the past 10 years?

Women can be exceptional leaders, they can also be piss poor. Nagin, Brown, Chertoff, and Bush have essentially proven that a Y chromosome guarantees nothing.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT
It would also serve as a morale boost to the city employees that remained on their jobs.

Or a licence to kill. That's what preturbs me so much as I mentioned in OP.

BaliBabyDoc- I prolly get labled a sexist for this but I don't care since it's how I feel but I have a general distrust of women in law enforcement after rubi ridge and waco murders. Over compensating to prove they are tougher than thier male peers?

Eh, I'm not sure I buy your logic. Reno made judgments based on information she received from the field. I don't recall her "official" response to Ruby Ridge, but after it went FUBAR at Waco she at least took "credit". How many men with questionable cajones credentials have done so in the past 10 years?

Women can be exceptional leaders, they can also be piss poor. Nagin, Brown, Chertoff, and Bush have essentially proven that a Y chromosome guarantees nothing.

You don't recall Reno's official response to Ruby Ridge because it happened before her watch. Waco started before Reno was US Attorney General By the time Reno was US AG, there were already 4 dead federal agents and the siege was well underway. Janet Reno did not take credit for Waco. She took the responsibliity for the irretrievable mess that her predecessor handed her.

Zebo is overreacting. The National Guard has strict rules and training for the situation in New Orleans. He is also confused on issues such as Ruby Ridge.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Something that's been bothering me about what the Govenor said maybe someone can shed some light.

Blanco said "They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

So are they going to blow away someone ripping off a Plasma TV? How will they decren if it's your house or not you're getting the items from?

Eitherway I find it very disturbing our country is deteriorating into an acceptance of brutality and excessive use of force on our own citizens to this point. And it is excessive, death is not justice for theft, least no sentence I've ever heard of. Not to mention I find it doubtful the agents/gaurdsmen will be right 100% of the time as mentioned earier.

What do you guys think? Justice? or crazed woman?

First possibility: Democrats get a little nuts at the slightest mention of the word gun.

Another possibility: A Democrat who thinks the world is just perfect and force is never reeded for anything being proud that the neocons in the military were there to pull her chestnuts out of the fire. Now, like a kid, she is threatening everyone with her big brothers gun. Pick one!

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I was being facetious when I said Reno took "credit" for Waco. In the old days, one would say Reno, "manned up," for something that wasn't totally her fault. She made the call that ultimately FUBAR'd Waco. Granted, it's possible the Branch Davidian seige was doomed from the beginning and her authorization for the breach was irrelevant.

In the end, Waco was a disaster and Reno took "credit" for the DOJs inability to protect innocent life. Has anyone taken such a "leadership" position in the past five years?

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I was being facetious when I said Reno took "credit" for Waco. In the old days, one would say Reno, "manned up," for something that wasn't totally her fault. She made the call that ultimately FUBAR'd Waco. Granted, it's possible the Branch Davidian seige was doomed from the beginning and her authorization for the breach was irrelevant.

In the end, Waco was a disaster and Reno took "credit" for the DOJs inability to protect innocent life. Has anyone taken such a "leadership" position in the past five years?

Not in the last five years. Chertof just finished a tapdance in front of Tim Russert on Meet The Press. And its still hurricane season.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Taggart
I would think she is talking about the thugs shooting at ambulances and helicopters, as well as shooting cops.

Which appears to somewhat have been disinformation. FAA spokespeople have reported no reports of shots fired at aircraft. Fri., a FEMA rep said there had been no shots fired at anyone in at least the last 48 hrs.

But, I think she was right to issue that statement. *IF* there were armed gangs going around threatening rescuers, those armed criminals needed to be taken out. Hmm...they could have drafted Pat Robertson to help out!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Something that's been bothering me about what the Govenor said maybe someone can shed some light.

Blanco said "They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

So are they going to blow away someone ripping off a Plasma TV? How will they decren if it's your house or not you're getting the items from?

Eitherway I find it very disturbing our country is deteriorating into an acceptance of brutality and excessive use of force on our own citizens to this point. And it is excessive, death is not justice for theft, least no sentence I've ever heard of. Not to mention I find it doubtful the agents/gaurdsmen will be right 100% of the time as mentioned earier.

What do you guys think? Justice? or crazed woman?

You think the thug carrying the Plasma TV hasn't done more than just that??? 😕

I am happy to see them shot and killed and tossed into the incinerator.

 

[digiram]

Justice or a crazed woman?


I think a little bit of both. She's talking out of emotion from the shock and horror of what's going on(not thinking straight, so a little crazy I guess), and shooting those that are unlawfull(raping, killing, etc.) is justice.