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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
The "They didn't write a memo." excuse is a pretty lame excuse, at the very least, someone at FEMA/Homeland should have mentioned that they wanted something in writing in a timely manner.
All Blanco had to do was decide she wanted to make the request, call the proper authority, request it, and tell them the paperwork was on its way. It's not like she'd be up all night typing it herself. She has a room full of lackeys for that very purpose. :)

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Deudalus
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Deudalus
How ironic that you have a governor admitting she screwed up on camera, then stammering all over the place saying "I don't even know what day it is"; yet the libs here still find a way to make it all Bush's fault.

Why does it have to be all anyone's fault?

It is everyone's fault I think.

If you look at my original post asking everyone to stop the partisan bickering about Katrina you will see that I was hoping people would actually shut up about it all.

But the libs around here smell blood in the water so they aren't going to let this go. Now that more and more reports are coming out showing more and more state and local ineptitude I think its comical that they wouldn't let it drop.

I'm with you, but don't pretend it's just the libs doing it...or am I missing the inten of the 87 new threads every day blaming the local officials with nary a mention of federal issues?

:thumbsup: Especially now that Brown is gone and GWB admitted that "someone" in the federal goverment didn't do what they should have.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Deudalus
I'm with you, but don't pretend it's just the libs doing it...or am I missing the inten of the 87 new threads every day blaming the local officials with nary a mention of federal issues?
The only question is who's knee jerked first I suppse?

But that begs the question of why Republicans would knee jerk during this? Repubilcans have the house, the senate, and the presidency under wraps. What do they really have to gain by blaming a bunch of Democrats that no one knew existed in Louisiana until the hurricane hit? Compare that to what Democrats have to gain by blaming Bush saying he is racist, saying he dropped the ball, etc etc. You make the call.

Here's a link to my post asking people to shut up and me stating everyone made mistakes:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1680398&enterthread=y

It took all of 2 posts before Conjur's knee jerked trying to play politics with the disaster despite the fact that:

"No one was ready for this. That goes from Bush all the way down to the local officials in New Orleans." was right in the middle of my original post to start the thread.

Everyone flamed Conjur for it of course, and I stayed out of the blame game until lately.

But now its totally hilarious to watch one guy blame X person for Y while saying person Z shouldn't worry about situation Y because yadda yadda yadda.

Its so pathetic.
All I pointed out was the idiotic and ridiculous RW talking-point finger-pointing about the buses.

And, the ones flaming me? The Freepers. wow.

Why can't you ever say something without using clichés? Where was the "idiotic and ridiculous RW talking-point finger-pointing about the buses" in Deudalus' OP? Surely you weren't going OT, were you?

How do you say it? Oh, yeah: wow.
 

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur

What could be more clear that that was a desperate plea for help?

Did you watch the whole thing? Including the part where she said "I really need to call for the military, and I should've started that the first call."? It seems *she* wasn't even clear with what she said.

I guess she gets a break, though, because... well... I'm sure there *has* to be a reason.

Because she's just a girl? Because she's a Democrat? Or is it because she's incompetent and out of her depth?

Contrary to popular belief on these forums, it IS possible for politicians on both sides to be empty suits who couldn't manage a McDonald's in real life, let alone a state. In fact, its not just possible; its the RULE. There's a damn good reason why both Republicans and Democrats look like bumbling idiots in a real crisis: because they ARE.
 

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just got through listening to a live 20 minute speech from gov. blanco on tv. a pretty good speech i thought. she gave credit to everyong including her "dear close friend, pres bush.
i think everyone is on the same track now and the wheels are really moving fast now. but what a long way to go. one big worry i have is corruption. there is going to be a awful lot of money spent down here. and where there is so much money, they are that many people waiting to get their hands on it. time will tell.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Unfortunately, filing the paperwork properly is mandatory, particularly in today's partisan environment. A paper trail is a necessary evil.
Wrong answer and the National Response Plan proves it. I've shown you many times but you keep pointing out other parts that aren't relevant in the case of a major catastrophe.
Are you talking about this statement?

Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance
may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances,
suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of
catastrophic magnitude.
Have you ever written any government documentation, conjur? If so, you'd know the difference between the usage of "may" and "will." (Read through the rest of page 43 and you'll see the context of those two words.) Will means a declaration is mandatory. May is used to indicate an elective. It would also have to be ordered by an authorized person. Since Blanco is in charge, it would have to be her who issued that authorization. I'm not aware that she did that. You?
Blanco was in charge of enacting the NATIONAL Response Plan? She was going to be in charge of the US military?

Wow...pretty amazing for a Gov. of Louisiana.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Unfortunately, filing the paperwork properly is mandatory, particularly in today's partisan environment. A paper trail is a necessary evil.
Wrong answer and the National Response Plan proves it. I've shown you many times but you keep pointing out other parts that aren't relevant in the case of a major catastrophe.
Are you talking about this statement?

Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance
may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances,
suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of
catastrophic magnitude.
Have you ever written any government documentation, conjur? If so, you'd know the difference between the usage of "may" and "will." (Read through the rest of page 43 and you'll see the context of those two words.) Will means a declaration is mandatory. May is used to indicate an elective. It would also have to be ordered by an authorized person. Since Blanco is in charge, it would have to be her who issued that authorization. I'm not aware that she did that. You?
Blanco was in charge of enacting the NATIONAL Response Plan? She was going to be in charge of the US military?

Wow...pretty amazing for a Gov. of Louisiana.
LOL. Aren't you just grasping at straws?

As I've pointed out many of the times you re-posted your claim about pg. 43 of the NRP, and which you continue to ignore, read the section on Roles & Responsbilities. There is your answer, conjur.
 

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DOD provides DSCA in response to requests for
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DSCA normally is provided when local, State, and
Federal resources are overwhelmed, provided that it
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Requests for DSCA originating at the JFO will be
coordinated and processed through the DCO with the
exception of requests for DOD/USACE support,
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¦ Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance
may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances,
suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of
catastrophic magnitude.


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"Roles & Responsibilities" is where now?


That's saying to me the Feds had the ability to waive the requirement. And I'm not the only one that thinks that
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1688626&enterthread=y



You still haven't clarified how Gov. Blanco was in charge of the National Response Plan as you said in your previous post, and I quote:
Have you ever written any government documentation, conjur? If so, you'd know the difference between the usage of "may" and "will." (Read through the rest of page 43 and you'll see the context of those two words.) Will means a declaration is mandatory. May is used to indicate an elective. It would also have to be ordered by an authorized person. Since Blanco is in charge, it would have to be her who issued that authorization. I'm not aware that she did that. You?

You wrote that regarding the suspension of the requirements. So, you're saying Gov. Blanco was supposed to suspend the requirement of her having to issue a request. Interesting. You have no fvcking idea wtf you're talking about.

Admit you made a mistake and we can move on.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
You still haven't clarified how Gov. Blanco was in charge of the National Response Plan as you said in your previous post, and I quote:
Have you ever written any government documentation, conjur? If so, you'd know the difference between the usage of "may" and "will." (Read through the rest of page 43 and you'll see the context of those two words.) Will means a declaration is mandatory. May is used to indicate an elective. It would also have to be ordered by an authorized person. Since Blanco is in charge, it would have to be her who issued that authorization. I'm not aware that she did that. You?
Yes. Read it again, conjur. Read it closely. Hint: "authorize" and "elective" are the key words here.

Nothing I've said claims that Blanco was in charge of the NRP.

However, Blanco is assigned responsibilities according to the NRP. Take some time to let it soak in. You might understand eventually.

btw, Roles & Responsibilities is Section III. It's page 8 of the NRP, if you can't figure out that whole complicated section heading thing. But I've told you this numerous times already and you keep ignoring it, as if it will go away if you keep ignoring it. It won't, conjur. Hijacking a couple of pages and interpreting them erroneously doesn't make your case.

You wrote that regarding the suspension of the requirements. So, you're saying Gov. Blanco was supposed to suspend the requirement of her having to issue a request. Interesting. You have no fvcking idea wtf you're talking about.

Admit you made a mistake and we can move on.
LOL. You're completely out of your element and have no idea whatsoever of what you speak, and you're merely being defensive now.
 

conjur

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Let's make this REALLY SIMPLE for the Simple-Minded:

Guiding Principles for Proactive Federal Response

Guiding principles for proactive Federal response
include the following:

¦ The primary mission is to save lives; protect critical
infrastructure, property, and the environment;
contain the event; and preserve national security.

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¦ Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance
may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances,
suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of
catastrophic magnitude.
Guiding....Principles...for....Proactive...FEDERAL...Response


See...this is a NATIONAL Response Plan. It's not a STATE Response Plan. This NATIONAL Response Plan deals with the authorities vested in the...yes, you guessed it...FEDERAL government.

It's saying the FEDERAL government can expedite or SUSPEND requirements that it be asked to assist. That requirement that would be SUSPENDED is that of the Gov. having to formally request help.

The PROACTIVE wording means this OVERRIDES anything else in the plan as it relates to a major catastrophe that has struck a region of the U.S.

I cannot make it any clearer. If you still want to dodge and evade, go right ahead. I shan't be listening, though.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Another evasive response from conjur
You can keep posting it over and over conjur. It doesn't change the fact that you keep avoiding my response.

Thanks for being so clearly transparent for everyone in that regard though.
 

conjur

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Because the section to which you are referring is NOT GERMANE to an IMMEDIATE RESPONSE as outlined in pp.41-44.


/thread.
 

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So... I guess this means that the federal government didn't realize that New Orleans was going to need more than just the resources Louisiana could mobilize following a near direct hit by a Category 4 hurricane? That they really had to wait for a phone call from the governor before they could prepare the country's response? And, of course, they couldn't call her I suppose...

:roll:

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

So... I guess this means that the federal government didn't realize that New Orleans was going to need more than just the resources Louisiana could mobilize following a near direct hit by a Category 4 hurricane? That they really had to wait for a phone call from the governor before they could prepare the country's response? And, of course, they couldn't call her I suppose...

:roll:

LOL, leave it to a dam engineer (pun intended) to bring common sense into the fray. Dam n00bs! ;)
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Because the section to which you are referring is NOT GERMANE to an IMMEDIATE RESPONSE as outlined in pp.41-44.


/thread.
And where does it state that on pgs. 41-44, conjur? Where does it state that local and state officials are no longer responsible, as defined in Section III?
 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

So... I guess this means that the federal government didn't realize that New Orleans was going to need more than just the resources Louisiana could mobilize following a near direct hit by a Category 4 hurricane? That they really had to wait for a phone call from the governor before they could prepare the country's response? And, of course, they couldn't call her I suppose...

:roll:

LOL, leave it to a dam engineer (pun intended) to bring common sense into the fray. Dam n00bs! ;)
LOL. No, Bush can't just waltz federal orgs into LA without the governor's request. That discussion has already been dealt with in here. There are laws in this country that prevent that sort of thing, for good reason. Common sense would clue someone into that fact. Maybe it's the n00bs that aren't aware of the law?

Edit: And Bush DID call her. He had to urge her to get evacuation orders issued. Remember?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Because the section to which you are referring is NOT GERMANE to an IMMEDIATE RESPONSE as outlined in pp.41-44.


/thread.
And where does it state that on pgs. 41-44, conjur? Where does it state that local and state officials are no longer responsible, as defined in Section III?
Jeez lou fvcking weez you're really about as dumb as a box of rocks.


:roll:
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Because the section to which you are referring is NOT GERMANE to an IMMEDIATE RESPONSE as outlined in pp.41-44.


/thread.
And where does it state that on pgs. 41-44, conjur? Where does it state that local and state officials are no longer responsible, as defined in Section III?
Jeez lou fvcking weez you're really about as dumb as a box of rocks.


:roll:
Translation=You got nothin'. Thanks for proving it.
 

conjur

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No, translation = you have no fvcking clue what the NRP is about. You keep railing on one section that has NO BEARING when a state of immediate response is required.

Now, are you going to keep embarrassing yoursef? Please do. I'm enjoying this.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
No, translation = you have no fvcking clue what the NRP is about. You keep railing on one section that has NO BEARING when a state of immediate response is required.

Now, are you going to keep embarrassing yoursef? Please do. I'm enjoying this.
Still can't refute what I said, eh?

No surprise.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: conjur
"We need everything you've got"

But didn't specifically request troops as she didn't feel she needed to.



"We need everything you've got"


What could be more clear that that was a desperate plea for help?


She's guilty of being ill-informed of what she specifically needed to request.

She is guilty of being dumber than most Democrats and that is a pretty huge achievement! Like President said, she is doing an outstanding job.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur

What could be more clear that that was a desperate plea for help?

Did you watch the whole thing? Including the part where she said "I really need to call for the military, and I should've started that the first call."? It seems *she* wasn't even clear with what she said.

I guess she gets a break, though, because... well... I'm sure there *has* to be a reason.

And she is not even blonde!

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Strk
And? This probably just means Jindel will be the governor on the next round.

And why can't we all settle with the "Everyone screwed up" part?

How about locals screwed up beyond belief and as soon as the President realized just how dumb they were, he strapped on his SuperPres suit and saved the people that the Democrats hadn't killed yet?
 

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
WoW...

Soon this will morph to "she was taken out of context" then "she never said that" followed by it is all part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

Covering is not 1 12 step program.

Probably as soon as they wake Hilary up! She completely slept through dinner, for the last 7 years!