Blair blames recent crime wave on black culture

[Butterbean]

Blair said:

"Economic inequality is a factor and we should deal with that, but I don't think it's the thing that is producing the most violent expression of this social alienation.

"I think that is to do with the fact that particular youngsters are being brought up in a setting that has no rules, no discipline, no proper framework around them.

"We need to stop thinking of this as a society that has gone wrong - it has not - but of specific groups that for specific reasons have gone outside of the proper lines of respect and good conduct towards others and need by specific measures to be brought back into the fold."



Blair sounds correct there. In the US black illegitimate birth rates were lower than whites before the 1960's. Black and white crime was lower before liberals made excuses for eveybody (having first excused themselves inwardly). Of course the initial civil rights movement was good but then the far left liberals got hold of blacks and used them as a battering ram to break down institutions. Of course a main loss was the breakdown of the black family.

Close to 80% of prsion inmates have no fathers. They weren't slaves either. The first cause of their anger is the abandonment of their own family members. Then the liberals come by latter and play on the anger and turn segments of the population anti social. Hence the baby goes out with the bath water. Shame of it is there are a lot of black people who do not like having liberals hover over them telling them they can't do well without them.

A sophisticated form of evil is false love and virtue that encourages decline in individuals and society. If you love a theif as a theif they become more of a theif.

An interesting thing about the UK is their "chav" population. These are mostly whites who mimic almost exactly the culture of black rappers and there are many of them. So "yes" black crime is more about culture than race but the coarse culture is tied to the family breakdowns encouraged by socialist inclinations to hover and breed weakness and deterioration under then guise of caring.

 

[spittledip]

I think we all agree here that it has nothing to do with being Black, but it has to do with a people who were oppressed and continue to be oppressed although to a less extent.

 

[Butterbean]

To keep telling certain blacks they are "oppresed" is the problem. This isn't South Africa. My town is mostly black and hispanic and hardly anyone is poor. The illegals can't believe how crazy Americans are to just let them wander in a sign up for benefits. They are equally dismayed that blacks say they can't get jobs or make a living because they are owning businesses and houses in 5 -10 years. They also fear blacks because they get mugged by them in high numbers. Around here a white guy can hardly get a job with Verizon, utilities, state and county governmnets etc. Heck they are even taking white guys out of ads if you look. "Oppression" is a word whose overuse is brought about by programmed emotional thinking - propaganda.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

........When you look at hip hop culture you are looking at yourself.

Nope. Utter nonsense.

Fern

Good grief! Don't you even notice that your lame denial just confirms what I said?

Bwuhahha. Uh, no it doesn't.

But then I'm reminded of your sig

The above is probably just my usual sarcasm and in no way reflects my real opinion

I think it more accurate to edit your notion as follows:

........Moonie when you look at your avatar you are looking at yourself

Almost. My Avatar is there to show you how you must see me because of who you are. I know more about you than you know about yourself. And it's the second part of that portion of my sig you quoted that applies. My sig and my avatar are all there for you and the fact that I knew you were coming long long ago. I have seen you thousands of times.

But you should know that you never even understood what I said and you instantly disagreed. Know that when you look at hip hop you are looking at yourself. You will not see the primitive state of your mental development any more than they. You are as interested in how advanced I am over you than they are your advancement over you. You are a chump calling other chumps black. You poor damn ignorant fool. 😉

But the good news is that you will know you've found a cure for 'Black Ghetto' when you have treated and cured yourself.

 

[Rainsford]

While it's obvious that there ARE groups that support criminal behavior more than other groups, I don't think it's out of line or overly PC to say it's racist to refer to that as "black culture". Not only does it imply that the problem is something inherent to being black, it also ignores the distinct lack of law abiding behavior by white people, Hispanics, Arabs, Asians, whoever. And it ALSO ignores the socio-economic factors, which seem to be pretty important if you ask me. Obviously the most effective way to reduce crime is targeted enforcement, but calling your target "black culture" encourages behavior that's more like arresting people for "driving while black" than anything truly useful.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Shivetya
It is not RACIST to identify a group of people whose criminal element is causing problems. Learn what the term means before being a parrot of the PC culture.

Wow, this is one of the most blantently racist things i have seen here. Identifying a group of people by RACE as being a criminal element is about the most racist thing anyone can do. I motion for a ban for the small minded elements that have made their racist ideas known here.

one of my ex-girlfriends, who is of that descent, would say that its not racist, hell she gets nervous when young black males in groups pass her on the street. Is she racists for being fearful on those who are her same race?



fine, let you have it your way, its racist but if its true does that change the equation?

 

[TheSlamma]

Well I guess if they didn't run that Triangle so many years ago they wouldn't be in England in the first place 😱

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
It is not RACIST to identify a group of people whose criminal element is causing problems. Learn what the term means before being a parrot of the PC culture.

Except that it's not black culture. It's thug culture. There's no such thing as "black culture". None of my black friends listen to rap or dress like street thugs. Most of them are techies and you're more likely to find them in khakis than you are in jeans, to say nothing of wearing them jeans with their crotches at the knees. Skin color means nothing.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
To keep telling certain blacks they are "oppresed" is the problem. This isn't South Africa. My town is mostly black and hispanic and hardly anyone is poor. The illegals can't believe how crazy Americans are to just let them wander in a sign up for benefits. They are equally dismayed that blacks say they can't get jobs or make a living because they are owning businesses and houses in 5 -10 years. They also fear blacks because they get mugged by them in high numbers. Around here a white guy can hardly get a job with Verizon, utilities, state and county governmnets etc. Heck they are even taking white guys out of ads if you look. "Oppression" is a word whose overuse is brought about by programmed emotional thinking - propaganda.

Your thinking is much too one-sided. It is a fact that they are oppressed, but it is their responsibility to move past it. That said, the ones who struggle (or rather just give in) are the ones born in the projects with horrible parents. Sorry, but if you have horrible parents, it doesn't matter what color you are, your chances of "making it" are much reduced. Of course i am not sure what you have been exposed to. I have worked with the kids and the families. I have seen first hand. Most people here have not seen the situation. Again, what certain people don't seem to understand is that these people are not terrible parents b/c they are black. These are the ones whose forefathers did not work past the horror of slavery and persecution after slavery and were terrible parents themselves. It just gets passed down the line until a someone tries to break free from the pattern. However, it is hard to break free when there are people saying that they are worthless bums who just expect handouts and refuse to work like the mexicans, etc etc. Again, this is not an excuse. This si an explanation of the patterns that have come about since slavery. You need to understand this is not some simple problem with some simple solution. On top of it all, these kids have access to the crappiest school systems b/c tax dollars get funneled to the rich and middle class school systems first. I am only stating what I have seen and situations I have worked with.

Everyone has the responsibility to make their life. The point is that some are not equipped to deal with life properly due to their backgrounds. For some it is much much more difficult. And the ones that you always here about are the ones who make the bad decisions b/c news tends to cover those stories more (obviously).

So let me say again, I think we all agree here that it has nothing to do with being Black, but it has to do with a people who were oppressed and continue to be oppressed although to a lesser extent.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Shivetya
It is not RACIST to identify a group of people whose criminal element is causing problems. Learn what the term means before being a parrot of the PC culture.

Except that it's not black culture. It's thug culture. There's no such thing as "black culture". None of my black friends listen to rap or dress like street thugs. Most of them are techies and you're more likely to find them in khakis than you are in jeans, to say nothing of wearing them jeans with their crotches at the knees. Skin color means nothing.

Exactly. If you see a guy dressed like a thug, it doesn't matter what color he is, you might get a bit nervous which is understandable. If you see a black or hispanic and get nervous, well then you are just prejudiced.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: spittledip
That said, the ones who struggle (or rather just give in) are the ones born in the projects with horrible parents. Sorry, but if you have horrible parents, it doesn't matter what color you are, your chances of "making it" are much reduced. Of course i am not sure what you have been exposed to. I have worked with the kids and the families. I have seen first hand. Most people here have not seen the situation. Again, what certain people don't seem to understand is that these people are not terrible parents b/c they are black. These are the ones whose forefathers did not work past the horror of slavery and persecution after slavery and were terrible parents themselves. It just gets passed down the line until a someone tries to break free from the pattern. However, it is hard to break free when there are people saying that they are worthless bums who just expect handouts and refuse to work like the mexicans, etc etc. Again, this is not an excuse. This si an explanation of the patterns that have come about since slavery. You need to understand this is not some simple problem with some simple solution. On top of it all, these kids have access to the crappiest school systems b/c tax dollars get funneled to the rich and middle class school systems first.

Thank you. I get tired of people dismissing the poverty problem in our country as one caused by pure laziness.

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: spittledip
That said, the ones who struggle (or rather just give in) are the ones born in the projects with horrible parents. Sorry, but if you have horrible parents, it doesn't matter what color you are, your chances of "making it" are much reduced. Of course i am not sure what you have been exposed to. I have worked with the kids and the families. I have seen first hand. Most people here have not seen the situation. Again, what certain people don't seem to understand is that these people are not terrible parents b/c they are black. These are the ones whose forefathers did not work past the horror of slavery and persecution after slavery and were terrible parents themselves. It just gets passed down the line until a someone tries to break free from the pattern. However, it is hard to break free when there are people saying that they are worthless bums who just expect handouts and refuse to work like the mexicans, etc etc. Again, this is not an excuse. This si an explanation of the patterns that have come about since slavery. You need to understand this is not some simple problem with some simple solution. On top of it all, these kids have access to the crappiest school systems b/c tax dollars get funneled to the rich and middle class school systems first.

Thank you. I get tired of people dismissing the poverty problem in our country as one caused by pure laziness.

I agree with mosts of spittledips post I am not sure I agree on the funding. I am pretty sure that school districts with under performing students can be shown to spend a significantly higher amount of money per student then other schools to achive the same results. It does comes back to the parents. Government schooling can't raise the kids. No amount of money will fix that.

My other comment is that most of these communities are self segregated. Its long been the culture to self deprecate and to promote the culture of 'tapping ho's' and for women to raise fatherless children with an eye torwards a welfare check (at least in the U.S.)

No easy fix is right.

 

[compuwiz1]

Blacks have been stuck in a rut of a lot of things, based on mentalities, which refuse to change, for some reason. A combination of culture or upbringing, perhaps? Bad leadership of the Black community? Education, could be a factor, but I think there is more education available, to those who truely want to learn.
Some of those ruts are:
Crime
Welfare
Bad Credit
High Pregnancy rate, out of wedlock
Section 8 housing

I have no statistical information on any of the above, but if I were a betting man, my bet would be that they currently enjoy the most of all of the above, per capita.

Having worked in a retail world, where I access credit reports on a daily basis, I can vouch that at least 90 percent of applicants have poor credit ratings, when Black.

Mexicans generally have decent credit, some have amazing credit, considering many of them don't make much money, especially if they are laborers.

Asians, generally have some of the best credit I ever see.

As far as Blacks being involved in more crime, I have friends who work in the prison system, who cannot confirm this is a fact. They work as prison guards, and the two I know say there are more mexican inmates, than Blacks.

In county jail, there are more Blacks, than anyone, but those are mostly shoplifting, burglary, and other petty crimes.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Bad leadership of the Black community?

Definitely.

The black community needs better leadership. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are so far away from the man who MLK Jr was. When was the last time either of those two said anything even remotely close to, "we must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline?"

He was telling blacks that they needed to hold their heads high, act with dignity and integrity, be educated, and that earned respect was solid, and long-lasting. They aren't fed this way of thinking anymore. Other than the too rare lashings out of Bill Cosby, the black leadership is sending out no, or wrong messages.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Bad leadership of the Black community?

Definitely.

The black community needs better leadership. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are so far away from the man who MLK Jr was. When was the last time either of those two said anything even remotely close to, "we must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline?"

He was telling blacks that they needed to hold their heads high, act with dignity and integrity, be educated, and that earned respect was solid, and long-lasting. They aren't fed this way of thinking anymore. Other than the too rare lashings out of Bill Cosby, the black leadership is sending out no, or wrong messages.

They teach retaliation, frivolous lawsuits, etc. They profit from those teachings.