Blackwater performs flawlessly

[Nebor]

http://ap.google.com/article/A...FLYuMsEGS6gjVvgAnxbsvQ

For all its high-profile failings and its reputation for "cowboy" aggression, the secretive security company Blackwater USA has never failed at its primary mission in Iraq: Protecting State Department diplomats.

You can't argue with perfection. These guys get the job done, that's why they're worth the cost.

 

[nick1985]

...any second now.

 

[maddogchen]

what are you trying to say here? that they're worth the money?

I think whats at issue is more about being made accountable for their actions. If some blackwater contractor kills an Iraqi in a drunken rage, he should be charged and prosecuted by someone for that offense.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: nick1985
...any second now.

...someone will respond to this ridiculous claim with a well reasoned argument that you will dispute because you think needlessly killing Iraqi civilians including murdering children doesn't matter so long as they "get the job done."

This post does not purport to be the above referenced well reasoned argument. This is merely a smirk aimed at the troll OP, which as you so tersely indicate, begs refutation.

 

[Craig234]

So, if no Japanese officials were harmed in China during that occupation, because the Japanese forces were able to protect them, that's all that matters, right?

Also - are you not 'supporting our troops' by suggesting the US military is too incompetent to guard our officials so that we need to pay Blackwater 6 to 9 times as much for the same service?

 

[StageLeft]

The person who made my last Big Mac also got the job done, but that doesn't excuse him for then leaving the restaurant and robbing a gas station, does it?

 

[tomywishbone]

"When I was in the Air Force, those Russians didn't attack us once." -George Carlin

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
what are you trying to say here? that they're worth the money?

I think whats at issue is more about being made accountable for their actions. If some blackwater contractor kills an Iraqi in a drunken rage, he should be charged and prosecuted by someone for that offense.

They've broken no laws.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: maddogchen
what are you trying to say here? that they're worth the money?

I think whats at issue is more about being made accountable for their actions. If some blackwater contractor kills an Iraqi in a drunken rage, he should be charged and prosecuted by someone for that offense.

They've broken no laws.

Which is a good thing, since they seem to be subject to none. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20884905/

 

[dualsmp]

Someone lock this POS thread down.

 

[Moonbeam]

A hammer in hand will cure a headache better and more cheaply than two aspirin in the drug store.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://ap.google.com/article/A...FLYuMsEGS6gjVvgAnxbsvQ

For all its high-profile failings and its reputation for "cowboy" aggression, the secretive security company Blackwater USA has never failed at its primary mission in Iraq: Protecting State Department diplomats.

You can't argue with perfection. These guys get the job done, that's why they're worth the cost.

I normally agree with a bunch of what you post, but I tend to disagree with Blackwater and their costs. But then again, maybe I'm just jealous b/c I didn't go and try out for a job with them when i left active duty.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://ap.google.com/article/A...FLYuMsEGS6gjVvgAnxbsvQ

For years, North Carolina Democratic Rep. David Price has urged colleagues to regulate the private security industry and increase congressional oversight of companies such as Blackwater. But as the GOP controlled Congress, he said, his efforts went nowhere.

"I was getting silence," Price said. "My impression is that many Republicans see any attempt to tighten up the contracting practice as an implicit criticism of the Bush administration."

Blackwater's ties to the GOP run deep. Company founder and former Navy Seal Erik Prince has given more than $200,000 to Republican causes, a pattern of donation followed by other top Blackwater executives. The company's vice chairman is Cofer Black, a former CIA counterterrorism official who is serving as a senior adviser to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

For all its high-profile failings and its reputation for "cowboy" aggression, the secretive security company Blackwater USA has never failed at its primary mission in Iraq: Protecting State Department diplomats.

You can't argue with perfection. These guys get the job done, that's why they're worth the cost.

Yes, if you agree with Republican style corruption and business practices it is an absolute total success.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://ap.google.com/article/A...FLYuMsEGS6gjVvgAnxbsvQ

For all its high-profile failings and its reputation for "cowboy" aggression, the secretive security company Blackwater USA has never failed at its primary mission in Iraq: Protecting State Department diplomats.

You can't argue with perfection. These guys get the job done, that's why they're worth the cost.

I normally agree with a bunch of what you post, but I tend to disagree with Blackwater and their costs. But then again, maybe I'm just jealous b/c I didn't go and try out for a job with them when i left active duty.

Mercs are not a part of normal procedure, they don't have a chain of command and their first reaction is to shoot at anything that moves, i think there are a lot more friendly fires made by mercs than either you nor me will ever know, if there are troops in the vincinity and mercs who hear gunfire you can pretty much count on friendly fire.

From what i have seen they are often high or drunk while on duty, sometimes both, they have no one they answer too, they drive their vehicles and fire sometimes for fun and sometimes at just about anything because they thought they saw a gun.

They have no place in a war zone, they are not "security" they are mercenaries, weekend warrior has beens who have no sense of duty.

Worthless pieces of shit is another word for them.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://ap.google.com/article/A...FLYuMsEGS6gjVvgAnxbsvQ

For all its high-profile failings and its reputation for "cowboy" aggression, the secretive security company Blackwater USA has never failed at its primary mission in Iraq: Protecting State Department diplomats.

You can't argue with perfection. These guys get the job done, that's why they're worth the cost.

I normally agree with a bunch of what you post, but I tend to disagree with Blackwater and their costs. But then again, maybe I'm just jealous b/c I didn't go and try out for a job with them when i left active duty.

Mercs are not a part of normal procedure, they don't have a chain of command and their first reaction is to shoot at anything that moves, i think there are a lot more friendly fires made by mercs than either you nor me will ever know, if there are troops in the vincinity and mercs who hear gunfire you can pretty much count on friendly fire.

From what i have seen they are often high or drunk while on duty, sometimes both, they have no one they answer too, they drive their vehicles and fire sometimes for fun and sometimes at just about anything because they thought they saw a gun.

They have no place in a war zone, they are not "security" they are mercenaries, weekend warrior has beens who have no sense of duty.

Worthless pieces of shit is another word for them.

Many of them have pretty good tactical backgrounds (ranger/special forces/seal etc.). And they make a boatload of money (sometimes upwards of $500 a day). I'm not a big fan of their above the rules mentality, but it is a pretty good job for a year or two if you can stay alive.

 

[jonks]

Heck of a job blackie!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...MKC_270ZLNtNZFYTas0NUE

Blackwater involved in 195 shootings, says report By Sue Pleming
43 minutes ago


U.S. security contractor Blackwater was involved in at least 195 shooting incidents in Iraq since 2005, said a congressional report on Monday that also panned the State Department's oversight of the company.

State Department contractor Blackwater, under investigation for the shooting deaths of 11 Iraqis on September 16, will answer questions about that incident and others at what is expected to be a testy congressional hearing on Tuesday.

Senior State Department officials will also be grilled by the House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform examining whether the growing use of military contractors undermines U.S. efforts in Iraq.

In another development, the FBI said it had been asked by the State Department to send a team of investigators to Iraq to look into the September 16 shootings. No criminal charges have been filed yet against Blackwater over that incident.

A report prepared by the staff of committee chair Rep. Henry Waxman, released details from Blackwater's own reports of multiple incidents involving Iraqi casualties and said in most instances Blackwater fired first.

The memorandum also slammed the State Department's oversight of Blackwater and said it was often more interested in getting the company to pay off victims' families and "put the matter behind us" than in investigating what happened.

It listed 195 shooting incidents from the start of 2005 until September 12 of this year, an average of 1.4 per week. Of those, there were 16 Iraqi casualties and 162 cases with property damage, the California Democrat said. He did not specify if there were fatalities.

"In 32 of those incidents, Blackwater were returning fire after an attack while on 163 occasions (84 percent of the shooting incidents), Blackwater personnel were the first to fire," Waxman, a vocal critic of the Iraq war, said.

State Department rules say Blackwater's actions should be defensive rather than offensive.

Blackwater, which has been paid a little over $1 billion by the U.S. government since 2001, declined comment.

"We look forward to setting the record straight on this and other issues" when Erik Prince, Blackwater's chief, testifies before the committee, spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell said.

DISMISSALS

The report said Blackwater had fired 122 of its staff in Iraq over the past three years for a number of infractions, including 28 weapons-related incidents and 25 cases involving drugs and alcohol violations.

Waxman criticized the State Department's handling of several incidents involving Blackwater.

"It appears that the State Department's primary response was to ask Blackwater to make monetary payments to put the 'matter behind us' rather than to insist upon accountability or to investigate Blackwater personnel for potential criminal liability," said the memorandum.

State Department spokesman Tom Casey declined to comment on specifics listed by Waxman but said the department was "scrupulous" in its oversight of all contractors.

"These are tough jobs and these people often perform heroically in very difficult circumstances," Casey said. "But at the same time they have to be held accountable for their actions."

In a shooting incident on December 24, 2006, a security guard for Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi was killed by an allegedly drunken Blackwater contractor, who was then flown out of the country and faced no charges, the memorandum said.
E-mail traffic from the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad back to Washington described Iraq concerns over the incident.

"Iraqis would not understand how a foreigner could kill an Iraqi and return a free man to his own country," it said.

The State Department's charge d'affaires recommended Blackwater pay $250,000 and give an "apology." Waxman noted the State Department's diplomatic security said that was too much and would cause Iraqis to "try to get killed." Eventually Blackwater agreed on a $15,000 payment.

In another incident where Blackwater shooters killed an "innocent Iraqi," Waxman said the State Department requested only a $5,000 payment to "put this unfortunate matter behind us quickly."

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Many of them have pretty good tactical backgrounds (ranger/special forces/seal etc.). And they make a boatload of money (sometimes upwards of $500 a day). I'm not a big fan of their above the rules mentality, but it is a pretty good job for a year or two if you can stay alive.

So, running around killing people is a 'pretty good job', because you put the money ahead of the morality, huh?

Sounds like we need to deal with our own terrorists.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Many of them have pretty good tactical backgrounds (ranger/special forces/seal etc.). And they make a boatload of money (sometimes upwards of $500 a day). I'm not a big fan of their above the rules mentality, but it is a pretty good job for a year or two if you can stay alive.

So, running around killing people is a 'pretty good job', because you put the money ahead of the morality, huh?

Sounds like we need to deal with our own terrorists.

WTF ever man. It's a good job like I said. No one said you have to shoot first and ask questions second. If done right, it's a damn good job for the right person.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://ap.google.com/article/A...FLYuMsEGS6gjVvgAnxbsvQ

For all its high-profile failings and its reputation for "cowboy" aggression, the secretive security company Blackwater USA has never failed at its primary mission in Iraq: Protecting State Department diplomats.

You can't argue with perfection. These guys get the job done, that's why they're worth the cost.

I normally agree with a bunch of what you post, but I tend to disagree with Blackwater and their costs. But then again, maybe I'm just jealous b/c I didn't go and try out for a job with them when i left active duty.

Mercs are not a part of normal procedure, they don't have a chain of command and their first reaction is to shoot at anything that moves, i think there are a lot more friendly fires made by mercs than either you nor me will ever know, if there are troops in the vincinity and mercs who hear gunfire you can pretty much count on friendly fire.

From what i have seen they are often high or drunk while on duty, sometimes both, they have no one they answer too, they drive their vehicles and fire sometimes for fun and sometimes at just about anything because they thought they saw a gun.

They have no place in a war zone, they are not "security" they are mercenaries, weekend warrior has beens who have no sense of duty.

Worthless pieces of shit is another word for them.

Many of them have pretty good tactical backgrounds (ranger/special forces/seal etc.). And they make a boatload of money (sometimes upwards of $500 a day). I'm not a big fan of their above the rules mentality, but it is a pretty good job for a year or two if you can stay alive.

Many of them do have great backgrounds up until their dishonorable discharge, those who just leave to make money as mercs are not really higher in my book.

Staying alive isn't a problem for them, for soldiers around them it might be, for civilians around them even more of a challenge.

I have no respect for them and their conduct, their lack of camaraderie and unwillingness to help even their own when needed.

Besides, i make more than what they make just being a soldier boy, at least i get paid for every hour i have to stay, they get paid for like 10 hours per week. Last i calculated my monthly paycheck compared to theirs from their stated numbers i make about 12 times what they make a month.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://ap.google.com/article/A...FLYuMsEGS6gjVvgAnxbsvQ

For years, North Carolina Democratic Rep. David Price has urged colleagues to regulate the private security industry and increase congressional oversight of companies such as Blackwater. But as the GOP controlled Congress, he said, his efforts went nowhere.

"I was getting silence," Price said. "My impression is that many Republicans see any attempt to tighten up the contracting practice as an implicit criticism of the Bush administration."

Blackwater's ties to the GOP run deep. Company founder and former Navy Seal Erik Prince has given more than $200,000 to Republican causes, a pattern of donation followed by other top Blackwater executives. The company's vice chairman is Cofer Black, a former CIA counterterrorism official who is serving as a senior adviser to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

For all its high-profile failings and its reputation for "cowboy" aggression, the secretive security company Blackwater USA has never failed at its primary mission in Iraq: Protecting State Department diplomats.

You can't argue with perfection. These guys get the job done, that's why they're worth the cost.

Yes, if you agree with Republican style corruption and business practices it is an absolute total success.

Now Dave, You've altered Nebor's quote without noting such. IIRC, that's a no-no.

Otherwise, calling Blackwaters' campaign contributions "corruption" should reasonably reqiure that you offer proof that they were illegal. While I hate McCain/Fiengold, that perpetrates this, to act like like it's only Repubs is stupid.

And at $200K, they have a ways to go to even get close to Hsu. The big Dem donor who is a felon and a fraud.

Fern

 

[eits]

what a disgraceful and embarrassing thread. this should be locked.

the op is gloating about an american mercenary company effectively murdering civilians.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: eits
what a disgraceful and embarrassing thread. this should be locked.

the op is gloating about an american mercenary company effectively murdering civilians.

He's entitled to his opinion.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: eits
what a disgraceful and embarrassing thread. this should be locked.

the op is gloating about an american mercenary company effectively murdering civilians.

He's entitled to his opinion.

Opinions can be reprehensible, and criticized as such. Is an opinion that all Jews should be killed, all blacks should be lynched or slaves, all whites should be shot, beyond criticism?

It's our responsibility to stand up to evil, and that includes evil in opinions. The 'opinion' here drives the vote that elects the leaders who send the killers who kill people.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: eits
what a disgraceful and embarrassing thread. this should be locked.

the op is gloating about an american mercenary company effectively murdering civilians.

He's entitled to his opinion.

Indeed he is entitled to that as well as to participate in a fantasy mercenary league for all I care. Makes it no less distasteful.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: eits
what a disgraceful and embarrassing thread. this should be locked.

the op is gloating about an american mercenary company effectively murdering civilians.

He's entitled to his opinion.

you're right... he's entitled to his opinion. that doesn't stop mods from locking threads, dipshit.