Blacks Not Allowed to be Conservative?

[Jhhnn]

Blacks are very sensitive to issues of being sold out, particularly by members of their own race. The whole "Uncle Tom" syndrome is seen among them as having been instrumental in keeping them at the bottom end of the socio-economic foodchain all through the Jim Crow era, and on into today. So they'll react very strongly to that issue, even if Whites are left wondering what they're doing and what they're talking about...

As a white man, I really don't think I have the background or the right to make judgements in such matters, except to say that there's more going on than my own racial/cultural lens will allow me to comprehend...

Sometimes I feel the same way about women's issues, too...

I try to recognize my own limitations, to recognize that I'm not necessarily equipped to have a strong opinion about everything and anything, particularly across some of the rather large and obvious divides in our world...

 

[Jhhnn]

From fuzzy bee-

"Nice, although incorrect, generalization."

Well then, explain reality in some other way.

From ckGunslinger-

"Exactly which policies are contrary with the "black interest?" Do any of these policies even mention skin color or race?"

Of course not, silly boy. Too obvious. Repub policy merely discriminates against the working class in general, which translates to the vast majority of blacks in particular. Even if working class whites have trouble seeing it, blacks seem to have no such difficulty.

Zendari chimes in with his usual pointless troll...

"So much for independent thinking, or uniting, not dividing.

Toe the radical left party line or else!"

At least it's consistent...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Blacks are very sensitive to issues of being sold out, particularly by members of their own race. The whole "Uncle Tom" syndrome is seen among them as having been instrumental in keeping them at the bottom end of the socio-economic foodchain all through the Jim Crow era, and on into today. So they'll react very strongly to that issue, even if Whites are left wondering what they're doing and what they're talking about...

As a white man, I really don't think I have the background or the right to make judgements in such matters, except to say that there's more going on than my own racial/cultural lens will allow me to comprehend...

Sometimes I feel the same way about women's issues, too...

I try to recognize my own limitations, to recognize that I'm not necessarily equipped to have a strong opinion about everything and anything, particularly across some of the rather large and obvious divides in our world...

Spot on

 

[imported_Shivetya]

There are no black conservatives. They might look black but they are not. They are traitors! They should be ridiculed for having an opinion that is not allowed!

Actually I work with a couple of "black" people who think just like that. We have one lady who calls Condi "Bush's Nxxxxxwife".

There are "black" people and there are "black trash". It is easy to distinquish the two. Anyone person of color who would call another the N-word is black trash. They are so full of self hatred they truly do not see any fault in using the term. It usually is applied to those who are much more successful than themselves AND have the audacity to express a view not in line with that spouted by the race-warlords.

Perhaps that line of thinking is one of the reasons I cannot really find much to like about Obama. He is just another race warlord but he picks his wording very carefully.

It really is distressing to belive that Black Democrat politicians would use such racial epitahs and claim its OK. How can they expect any non-black to ever take their complaints of racial inequitty with sincerity when they themselves participate in the same behaviour they decry?

fwiw, I have and still do date women of color. Most of those who work in professional settings actually think for themselvs and are just as attractive as any other women.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
There are no black conservatives. They might look black but they are not. They are traitors! They should be ridiculed for having an opinion that is not allowed!

Actually I work with a couple of "black" people who think just like that. We have one lady who calls Condi "Bush's Nxxxxxwife".

There are "black" people and there are "black trash". It is easy to distinquish the two. Anyone person of color who would call another the N-word is black trash. They are so full of self hatred they truly do not see any fault in using the term. It usually is applied to those who are much more successful than themselves AND have the audacity to express a view not in line with that spouted by the race-warlords.

Perhaps that line of thinking is one of the reasons I cannot really find much to like about Obama. He is just another race warlord but he picks his wording very carefully.

It really is distressing to belive that Black Democrat politicians would use such racial epitahs and claim its OK. How can they expect any non-black to ever take their complaints of racial inequitty with sincerity when they themselves participate in the same behaviour they decry?

fwiw, I have and still do date women of color. Most of those who work in professional settings actually think for themselvs and are just as attractive as any other women.

Brothers, sistas, n****s
When I say n****s it is not the ****** we are grown to fear
It is not the n**** we say as if it has no meaning
But to me
It means Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished, ******
N****s what are we going to do
Walk blind into a line or fight
Fight and die if we must like n****s

This is for the masses the lower classes
The ones you left out, jobs were givin', better livin'
But we were kept out
Made to feel inferior, but we're the superior
Break the chains in out brains that made us fear yah
Pledge a legiance to a flag that neglects us
Honour a man that who refuses to respect us
Emmancipation, proclamation, Please!
N**** just said that to save the nation
These are lies that we all accepted
Say no to drugs but the governments' keep it
Running through our community, killing the unity
The war on drugs is a war on you and me
And yet they say this is the Home of The Free
But if you ask me its all about hyprocracy
The constitution, Yo, it don't apply to me
Lady Liberty still the bitch lied to me
Steady strong nobody's gonna like what I pumpin'
But its wrong to keeping someone from learning something
So get up, its time to start nation building
I'm fed up, we gotta start teaching childern
That they can be all that they wanna to be
There's much more to life than just poverty


Words of Wisdom
They shine upon the strength of an nation
Conquer the enemy on with education
Protect thy self, reach with what you wanna do
Know thy self, teach what we been through
On with the knowledge of the place, then
No one will ever oppress this race again
No Malcolm X in my history text
Why is that?
Cause he tried to educate and liberate all blacks
Why is Martin Luther King in my book each week?
He told blacks, if they get smacked, turn the other cheek
I don't get it, so many questions went through my mind
I get sweated, They act as if asking questions is a crime
But forget it, one day I'm gonna prove them wrong
Now every brother had to smother on the welfare line
The american dream, though it seems it attainable
They're pulling your sleave, don't believe
Cause it will strangle yah

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not surprising, racism and intolerance is fine provided it is pointed towards people who dont fit the ideological mold of a whoever is being racist and intolerant.

Fixed for how things really seem to work. Beliefs about how people should be treated seem to change with whether or not those people share your ideology. Not just a liberal thing...

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
As a white man, I really don't think I have the background or the right to make judgements in such matters, except to say that there's more going on than my own racial/cultural lens will allow me to comprehend...

Sometimes I feel the same way about women's issues, too...

I try to recognize my own limitations, to recognize that I'm not necessarily equipped to have a strong opinion about everything and anything, particularly across some of the rather large and obvious divides in our world...

Best post here. :thumbsup:

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
As a white man, I really don't think I have the background or the right to make judgements in such matters, except to say that there's more going on than my own racial/cultural lens will allow me to comprehend...

Sometimes I feel the same way about women's issues, too...

I try to recognize my own limitations, to recognize that I'm not necessarily equipped to have a strong opinion about everything and anything, particularly across some of the rather large and obvious divides in our world...

Best post here. :thumbsup:

I think most of the people in here will agree with him.. But on the same level people that are overly sympathetic to race issues that live in suburban America and have comfortable lives should also tone down their rhetoric.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
As a white man, I really don't think I have the background or the right to make judgements in such matters, except to say that there's more going on than my own racial/cultural lens will allow me to comprehend...

Sometimes I feel the same way about women's issues, too...

I try to recognize my own limitations, to recognize that I'm not necessarily equipped to have a strong opinion about everything and anything, particularly across some of the rather large and obvious divides in our world...

Best post here. :thumbsup:

I think most of the people in here will agree with him.. But on the same level people that are overly sympathetic to race issues that live in suburban America and have comfortable lives should also tone down their rhetoric.

I'm interested in what you are implying here. Not in a bad way.

Care to explain?

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
There are no black conservatives. They might look black but they are not. They are traitors! They should be ridiculed for having an opinion that is not allowed!

Actually I work with a couple of "black" people who think just like that. We have one lady who calls Condi "Bush's Nxxxxxwife".

There are "black" people and there are "black trash". It is easy to distinquish the two. Anyone person of color who would call another the N-word is black trash. They are so full of self hatred they truly do not see any fault in using the term. It usually is applied to those who are much more successful than themselves AND have the audacity to express a view not in line with that spouted by the race-warlords.

Perhaps that line of thinking is one of the reasons I cannot really find much to like about Obama. He is just another race warlord but he picks his wording very carefully.

It really is distressing to belive that Black Democrat politicians would use such racial epitahs and claim its OK. How can they expect any non-black to ever take their complaints of racial inequitty with sincerity when they themselves participate in the same behaviour they decry?

fwiw, I have and still do date women of color. Most of those who work in professional settings actually think for themselvs and are just as attractive as any other women.

This is a very good read, I think you should print this post and share it with all the black people you know and date.

Get back to us with the results when it's done too please.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Shivetya
There are no black conservatives. They might look black but they are not. They are traitors! They should be ridiculed for having an opinion that is not allowed!

Actually I work with a couple of "black" people who think just like that. We have one lady who calls Condi "Bush's Nxxxxxwife".

There are "black" people and there are "black trash". It is easy to distinquish the two. Anyone person of color who would call another the N-word is black trash. They are so full of self hatred they truly do not see any fault in using the term. It usually is applied to those who are much more successful than themselves AND have the audacity to express a view not in line with that spouted by the race-warlords.

Perhaps that line of thinking is one of the reasons I cannot really find much to like about Obama. He is just another race warlord but he picks his wording very carefully.

It really is distressing to belive that Black Democrat politicians would use such racial epitahs and claim its OK. How can they expect any non-black to ever take their complaints of racial inequitty with sincerity when they themselves participate in the same behaviour they decry?

fwiw, I have and still do date women of color. Most of those who work in professional settings actually think for themselvs and are just as attractive as any other women.

This is a very good read, I think you should print this post and share it with all the black people you know and date.

Get back to us with the results when it's done too please.

:laugh:

 

[beyoku]

Is there anyone in here that thinks that Bush "sold out america" and is not longer really "american?"
Are there laws that you can past and things that you can do as a president that are totally opposite for what "american" stands for?
Can "humans" really be "inhuman?"
Do you think that that the first black president could "Sell out" the nation into war based in false info?
As role models, condi an colin were idols in the black community, by lying and "Selling out" the nation into war can we say they are no longer our idols and no longer represent us?
Are you aware that black people started saying that condi and colin were not black in spring of 2003.

Where do you get the info on the black community in the first place? How do you know what we deem as a role model?
At 25, I have an education, a career and own my home in a black community and i am a role model, and people see me as such.
There is a thread about a suburb school that had a "thug day." Where do you think they get there images and ideas of what it means to be black, and what black people see as role models.......................from the same place you do i guess.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: beyoku
Is there anyone in here that thinks that Bush "sold out america" and is not longer really "american?"
Are there laws that you can past and things that you can do as a president that are totally opposite for what "american" stands for?
Can "humans" really be "inhuman?"
Do you think that that the first black president could "Sell out" the nation into war based in false info?
As role models, condi an colin were idols in the black community, by lying and "Selling out" the nation into war can we say they are no longer our idols and no longer represent us?
Are you aware that black people started saying that condi and colin were not black in spring of 2003.

Where do you get the info on the black community in the first place? How do you know what we deem as a role model?
At 25, I have an education, a career and own my home in a black community and i am a role model, and people see me as such.
There is a thread about a suburb school that had a "thug day." Where do you think they get there images and ideas of what it means to be black, and what black people see as role models.......................from the same place you do i guess.

What did Michael Steele do to "sell out" Maryland?

 

[Starbuck1975]

How do you know what we deem as a role model?

Throwing Oreo cookies at a prominant and successful but Republican black politician is a pretty clear indicator.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
As a white man, I really don't think I have the background or the right to make judgements in such matters, except to say that there's more going on than my own racial/cultural lens will allow me to comprehend...

Sometimes I feel the same way about women's issues, too...

I try to recognize my own limitations, to recognize that I'm not necessarily equipped to have a strong opinion about everything and anything, particularly across some of the rather large and obvious divides in our world...

Best post here. :thumbsup:

I think most of the people in here will agree with him.. But on the same level people that are overly sympathetic to race issues that live in suburban America and have comfortable lives should also tone down their rhetoric.

I'm interested in what you are implying here. Not in a bad way.

Care to explain?

I'm not talking about you, you seem like an educated person with strong ideals.. I'm talking more about people like Todd33 that sit behind their keyboards spewing nonsense and garbage about how oppressed black people are and how white conservatives seek to keep them down. As if he had any clue what it was like to be black or poor or even understood how politics has little to do with both the problems and the solutions.

 

[umbrella39]

Well, the freepers are in rare form tonight. They care about the blacks and their political leanings just about as much as they care about the Iraqi people and their "freedom". You all make better windows than you do doors.

 

[sandorski]

If I were a Democrat I'd be embarrassed by this. Perhaps for the African-American community this would be acceptable, I dunno, but what's acceptable and what's best can often be diferent things. It seems to me that our(generally speaking) Leaders should be above the fray, they should be the best society has to offer and not just another part of the mob that makes up the whole. Certainly politicians do engage in shenanigans, name calling, obfuscation, etc, but there are limits to how far one goes before going over the line. IMO, this is clearly beyond that line and those involved in this should get a talking to, even if it's from a White Man.

That said, this happens on the White side of the aisle too. It's just not as controversial of an issue to get major attention. Not that that makes it right either.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Well, the freepers are in rare form tonight. They care about the blacks and their political leanings just about as much as they care about the Iraqi people and their "freedom". You all make better windows than you do doors.

I guess it was only a matter of time before Iraq somehow made it into this thread...LOL...so predictable and tired it's almost juvenile.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Well, the freepers are in rare form tonight. They care about the blacks and their political leanings just about as much as they care about the Iraqi people and their "freedom". You all make better windows than you do doors.

I guess it was only a matter of time before Iraq somehow made it into this thread...LOL...so predictable and tired it's almost juvenile.

I'd have to agree.

I'm from Maryland and Iraq has nothing to do with our candidates so please keep it out of here.

 

[glenn1]

If I were a Democrat I'd be embarrassed by this. Perhaps for the African-American community this would be acceptable, I dunno, but what's acceptable and what's best can often be diferent things. It seems to me that our(generally speaking) Leaders should be above the fray, they should be the best society has to offer and not just another part of the mob that makes up the whole. Certainly politicians do engage in shenanigans, name calling, obfuscation, etc, but there are limits to how far one goes before going over the line. IMO, this is clearly beyond that line and those involved in this should get a talking to, even if it's from a White Man.

That said, this happens on the White side of the aisle too. It's just not as controversial of an issue to get major attention. Not that that makes it right either.

It definitely seems counter-productive. IMHO if you disagree with someone's POV you will have a better chance of bringing them around to yours (or at least have them understand it) if you treat them with at least simple civility. You can firmly oppose someone without resorting to childish behavior. Ditto for the activists who interrupt public speakers when they disagree with the message and other like tactics. The only thing you do in the eyes of the undecided is make yourself look like you're scared to have your POV questioned and unable to defend it using respectable means.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

i'm sorry but the thought of people actually throwing oreos at this guy just makes me laugh. that is absolutely absurd. if he wants to be conservative let him be, who cares it is one freaking guy!

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: beyoku
Is there anyone in here that thinks that Bush "sold out america" and is not longer really "american?"
Are there laws that you can past and things that you can do as a president that are totally opposite for what "american" stands for?
Can "humans" really be "inhuman?"
Do you think that that the first black president could "Sell out" the nation into war based in false info?
As role models, condi an colin were idols in the black community, by lying and "Selling out" the nation into war can we say they are no longer our idols and no longer represent us?
Are you aware that black people started saying that condi and colin were not black in spring of 2003.

Where do you get the info on the black community in the first place? How do you know what we deem as a role model?
At 25, I have an education, a career and own my home in a black community and i am a role model, and people see me as such.
There is a thread about a suburb school that had a "thug day." Where do you think they get there images and ideas of what it means to be black, and what black people see as role models.......................from the same place you do i guess.

What did Michael Steele do to "sell out" Maryland?

I dont know, i dont live in maryland.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: zendari
Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, you name it, if they are conservative they aren't "really black" and are public enemy number 1.

They've been paid off by the republicans. They are all Uncle Toms.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Part of my stunned silence I think is that you just don't see other races penalizing members of their own race for having different beliefs than the majority in that race. Latinos seem to predominantly vote democrat but you don't see them crucifying another latino for being a conservative or republican. They even differ on immigration policy but I don't hear the kind of vitriol hurled at those who would like to close the borders that you hear with black people who out themselves as being on the right. Obviously politics in the white race are all over the board. Asians? No clue. I would assume that they are all over the board too.

I guess I just don't understand why a black person has to be Democrat or they are an (insert derogatory term here).

 

[Bumrush99]

On top of that successful groups often play both sides of the fence... Special interest groups and lobbyists often allign themselves with both parties and are deeply entrenched on both sides of the political spectrum.. I'm not talking about groups like the NRA or Greenpeace, more like AIPAC, Business Interests, Hispanic Organizations and many others..

It does not serve black interests to only allign themselves with one party, not doing so is harmful. Acts like these show the difficulty they have moving outside the accepted norms