blacks in the rest of the world? how do they fare?

[busydude]

Don't lump African-Americans and black immigrants from Africa to the US in one group.

This.. if it is any indication; There are more professors in my university who are African Immigrants than African-Americans. There are a few Depts that are actually dominated by African Immigrants.

 

[MotionMan]

Don't lump African-Americans and black immigrants from Africa to the US in one group.

I had a discrimination case dealing entirely with this distinction.

MotionMan

 

[Zeze]

In the UK there's no difference, and I'm not just saying that. It was insane to me how big the divide between black and white people is in America, didn't believe it until I saw it first hand. It's insanity. How this race divide is still so ingrained in the US of A is beyond me.

[serious]

See, I never bought into this whole 'people are different' mindset. We are all the same generally.

Nazis didn't kill Jews because they were German. It was human nature that surfaced to its worst point.

Japanese didn't torture and rape other Asians because they were Japanese. It's because they are human.

My point is this: I also don't buy this US vs UK shit. Racism exists everywhere because it's ingrained in our survival instinct from our primitive days (Lion killed my friend, I avoid all lions).

I'm sure racism against blacks are just as similar in UK. US hating on Hispanics is probably equivalent to you hating on Muslims/Arabs/Indians there too.

I never bought into government propaganda. People are fucking same, regardless of country.

 

[MotionMan]

[serious]

See, I never bought into this whole 'people are different' mindset. We are all the same generally.

Nazis didn't kill Jews because they were German. It was human nature that surfaced to its worst point.

Japanese didn't torture and rape other Asians because they were Japanese. It's because they are human.

My point is this: I also don't buy this US vs UK shit. Racism exists everywhere because it's ingrained in our survival instinct from our primitive days (Lion killed my friend, I avoid all lions).

I'm sure racism against blacks are just as similar in UK. US hating on Hispanics is probably equivalent to you hating on Muslims/Arabs/Indians there too.

I never bought into government propaganda. People are fucking same, regardless of country.

Our nature may be the same, but one's nurture can very different.

Identical twins raised in different families (or, for that matter, even in the same family) can become very different people.

MotionMan

 

[ichy]

This.. if it is any indication; There are more professors in my university who are African Immigrants than African-Americans. There are a few Depts that are actually dominated by African Immigrants.

African immigrants are actually the most successful ethnic group in the US as measured by educational achievement. People often think of Asians as doing really well in that area, but Nigerians in the US put even Chinese and Korean immigrants to shame.

All this goes to show is that it's about ethic, not ethnic. Someone who buys into ghetto culture is going to fail at life regardless of their skin color, while smart and hard working people will do well.

 

[MotionMan]

African immigrants are actually the most successful ethnic group in the US as measured by educational achievement. People often think of Asians as doing really well in that area, but Nigerians in the US put even Chinese and Korean immigrants to shame.

All this goes to show is that it's about ethic, not ethnic. Someone who buys into ghetto culture is going to fail at life regardless of their skin color, while smart and hard working people will do well.

Which is why these types of discussions should not be seen as discussing a race, but rather discussing a culture and why people who criticize a particular culture should not be labeled as racists.

MotionMan

 

[Zeze]

Our nature may be the same, but one's nurture can very different.

Identical twins raised in different families (or, for that matter, even in the same family) can become very different people.

MotionMan

Yes.

I'm merely saying, Nazis committed those atrocities because they were GERMAN, do you? That Germans had a predisposition to genocide? No.

The Pol pot in SE Asia did the same thing. How about Serbs? It's human nature on a big scale.

 

[gevorg]

Its always been a cultural thing, slavery is just an excuse. And this particular culture, although dominated by blacks, is not all black, there are whites, latinos and asians in it too. Even wondered how many Africans do facepalm when they come to US and see typical African-Americans? 🙂

 

[busydude]

Even wondered how many Africans do facepalm when they come to US and see typical African-Americans?

Sadly there are a lot of Africans who get influenced by ghetto culture and they try to become a part of it.

 

[ichy]

And this particular culture, although dominated by blacks, is not all black, there are whites, latinos and asians in it too.

Yup. You don't have to look hard to find welfare dependent white trash losers with neck tattoos and multiple illegitimate children. I'm not so brainwashed by political correctness to pretend that AAs don't buy into that culture at a higher rate, but people should be judged by their behavior, not their appearance.

 

[deanx0r]

I lived in various parts of the world (France, Martinique, Réunion, New Caledonia, now USA), and even there, black people tend to have lower social standings than any other ethnicity. The black people that I refer to are not always africans, many of the native aborigines feature very dark complexion (e.g. melanesians). There is a higher crime level associated with black people there, but I believe it has more to do with their social standings than just the colour of their skin.

Those people were not enslaved, but were not treated as proper citizens for years, and that resulted in a poor integration into the dominating population.

 

[Lummex]

Surprised no one has mentioned that one of the biggest reasons black men are REPORTED as committing more crimes is because they are more often caught/reported/arrested simply because they are black. You would be a fool to think that racism isn't still deeply ingrained in our culture. White people get away with a shit ton more crimes than black people. The racism in just this thread is fucking appalling.

 

[BoberFett]

I strongly suspect that disproportionate assistance is why native americans are probably the most failed group of all in the United States. They have no employment and gobs of social problems, alcoholism, etc. It's like the more that has been given to them the more they fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Ey_g4wOnw

 

[MotionMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Ey_g4wOnw

I :heart: John Stossel

His stories always rock.

MotionMan

 

[shortylickens]

64 posts and no lock?

But if you mention that one member by a completely unrelated name..........


As for thread: They actually do better in places where they DONT have loads of free handouts.

 

[MotionMan]

64 posts and no lock?

But if you mention that one member by a completely unrelated name..........


As for thread: They actually do better in places where they DONT have loads of free handouts.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

MotionMan

 

[brainhulk]

 

[God Mode]

They want affluence without conforming into a culture/society that allows such.

'Every man out for himself' is the cause and motto of many people that can't get out of this kind of rut. You make sacrifices and work together. Sometimes, you get nothing back but allowing this to jade you will cause bigger problems.

 

[sygyzy]

Oh no sir - there were many blacks killing whites during WWII..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Airmen

You know that's not what he meant.

 

[ichy]

Surprised no one has mentioned that one of the biggest reasons black men are REPORTED as committing more crimes is because they are more often caught/reported/arrested simply because they are black. You would be a fool to think that racism isn't still deeply ingrained in our culture. White people get away with a shit ton more crimes than black people. The racism in just this thread is fucking appalling.

Crime rates are often manipulated, but to pretend that's the reason for the higher crime rate among black Americans is laughable. Take a look at homicide numbers. Unlike most other types of crime those are difficult to fudge. The leading cause of death for young black men in this country is other young black mean, you can stick your head in the PC sand all you want but it won't change that fact.

 

[QuantumPion]

As for thread: They actually do better in places where they DONT have loads of free handouts.

This. Look at blacks in the US pre 1960's. Yeah, government-enforced segregation was lame. But back then black Americans had low unemployment, better education, lived together as a function family, and were not disproportionately disposed to crime. It all went down-hill with the great society program and welfare.

 

[Taejin]

Its always been a cultural thing, slavery is just an excuse. And this particular culture, although dominated by blacks, is not all black, there are whites, latinos and asians in it too. Even wondered how many Africans do facepalm when they come to US and see typical African-Americans? 🙂

not an excuse imo. Slavery and other events gave rise to ghetto black culture in the USA. If you were to trace that culture down to its roots, the white settlers that bought and abused slaves, destroyed any semblance of their history and home and then treated them as subhumans.. that's the direct cause (although, not only) of what we see today.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Surprised no one has mentioned that one of the biggest reasons black men are REPORTED as committing more crimes is because they are more often caught/reported/arrested simply because they are black. You would be a fool to think that racism isn't still deeply ingrained in our culture. White people get away with a shit ton more crimes than black people. The racism in just this thread is fucking appalling.

I have been working in the criminal justice system in one way or another for 13 years, and my mother did for more than 25 years, including much of my childhood. Your post is incredibly naive. I do not dispute there may be a certain degree of systemic bias in the justice system - each jurisdiction is somewhat different in this respect - but in 2011 America it isn't enough to account for even 5% of the vast disparity between blacks and other ethnic groups in terms of crime rate. In my own state, Minnesota, I doubt it accounts for even 1%.

The reality is that young black men commit a wildly disproportionate percentage of all violent crimes in our society.

I resent your particular brand of naiveté because ignoring reality prevents us from dealing with the true causes for the disparity in crime rate (including, among many others, the relatively very high unemployment and lack of emphasis on education, and enormous percentages of single-parent families in the black community). If you want to talk about why the numbers are what they are, that is a worthwhile discussion, but if you insist on pretending the sky isn't blue, you can't help cure the underlying problem.

 

[lothar]

This.. if it is any indication; There are more professors in my university who are African Immigrants than African-Americans. There are a few Depts that are actually dominated by African Immigrants.

Let me guess...
Engineering? Nursing? Computer Science? Medicine? Pharmacy? Business? Finance?
I've never met a Nigerian that is a liberal arts, sociology, fashion, or medieval history major. Maybe that has something to do with it?

African immigrants are actually the most successful ethnic group in the US as measured by educational achievement. People often think of Asians as doing really well in that area, but Nigerians in the US put even Chinese and Korean immigrants to shame.

All this goes to show is that it's about ethic, not ethnic. Someone who buys into ghetto culture is going to fail at life regardless of their skin color, while smart and hard working people will do well.

I wouldn't go that far just yet, but we do seem to put most African Americans here to shame.
I think lack of proper parenting is to blame more than anything else.
Not teachers, not schools, not slavery, etc...

Its always been a cultural thing, slavery is just an excuse. And this particular culture, although dominated by blacks, is not all black, there are whites, latinos and asians in it too. Even wondered how many Africans do facepalm when they come to US and see typical African-Americans? 🙂

I've noticed a lot of people use "slavery" and "discrimination" that occurred 50 years ago as an excuse for implementing many issues and implementing many programs that don't achieve anything at all except increasing dependency of the minority group on said programs.
Instead of trying to support equal outcomes, we need to support equal opportunities.
Dumping wheat to 3rd world countries doesn't achieve much. Teaching 3rd world countries advanced farming and irrigation techniques works better than supplying them with free wheat which sometimes has the unintended effect of destroying the local agriculture market.

I do that facepalm thing almost everyday I come to work.
The most important thing I learned to do on the job is "shut your mouth". I work with a lot of African Americans and it seems they purposely try to get me into argument about certain subjects. I simply say "It is what it is" or "you can interpret what I said anyway you want to" rather than trying to explain myself which can get me in even worse dodo.

 

[lothar]

Sadly there are a lot of Africans who get influenced by ghetto culture and they try to become a part of it.

I've seen a lot of these as well. They disgust me.