blacks given poorer service while dining because of tipping stereotype

[Joseph F]

Yet you want to be my friend...
And, yes, it does show intellect. A lot of it. Don't be jealous if you didn't go to an elite university, let alone high school...

Getting into an elite university has nothing to do with intellect.
One of the most hardworking, and intelligent people I know was denied entry into Yale for her brothers having had criminal records.

Mind you, this denial came after her initially receiving a full scholarship to said school.

 

[TallBill]

So places that automatically add 16% or 18% to your bill for gratuity if you have 6 or more people are screwing themselves?

They are not screwing anyone. It ensures that the server will make some money on a party. At my bar, we have the choice to add 18% gratuity to parties of 6 or more and 20% to parties of 10 or more or risk getting whatever tip.

The neighborhood that I work in is in the top 10 richest zip codes in the country though, so I always STRONGLY urge our servers to not add the gratuity. Not only do 95% of the tables tip 20% or more, but they tip POST tax as opposed to 18% pre-tax. This can be a huge difference on a $400 check.

 

[Rudee]

I don't have a problem with tipping in a restaurant where staff is waiting on me. I do find the custom of giving a bartender a dollar just for flipping the cap off a beer bottle in a pub a bit much though.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I double the tax (7.375%*2) then round-up to the nearest dollar: Unless something is out of line or amazing service is provided.

Does this seem reasonable?

 

[blackangst1]

I double the tax (7.375%*2) then round-up to the nearest dollar: Unless something is out of line or amazing service is provided.

Does this seem reasonable?

Thats what I do.

 

[kaerflog]

They are not screwing anyone. It ensures that the server will make some money on a party. At my bar, we have the choice to add 18% gratuity to parties of 6 or more and 20% to parties of 10 or more or risk getting whatever tip.

The neighborhood that I work in is in the top 10 richest zip codes in the country though, so I always STRONGLY urge our servers to not add the gratuity. Not only do 95% of the tables tip 20% or more, but they tip POST tax as opposed to 18% pre-tax. This can be a huge difference on a $400 check.

I would disagree.
Sure good people would tend to tip you more than the added gratuity but if you get screw once from a big party and you are in the hole.
Always put in the auto grat if your restaurant allows you to.
If they party think you deserve more than the auto 15%, 18%, they will add in a few dollars.
Best thing about this is that you will never get screwed.

 

[JD50]

I double the tax (7.375%*2) then round-up to the nearest dollar: Unless something is out of line or amazing service is provided.

Does this seem reasonable?

I just take the total, move the decimal point over one, and double it. I almost always have good service and I have no problem tipping 20%.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I just take the total, move the decimal point over one, and double it. I almost always have good service and I have no problem tipping 20%.

Growing up my mom was a waitress. I was told that a 15% tip is customary, so I've just always stuck with that; I was also told that tipping on before tax prices.

Since it's the custom I follow it; but if I didn't feel socially obligated to pay the less-than-minimum-wage worker something for her or his service I would much rather give money away to a more directed charity.

But hell, single woman with kids, collage girl getting money for school, guy who's got child support payments to make... it's not like waiters are a poor choice of charity: 100% goes to the needy.

 

[Sinsear]

They are not screwing anyone. It ensures that the server will make some money on a party. At my bar, we have the choice to add 18% gratuity to parties of 6 or more and 20% to parties of 10 or more or risk getting whatever tip.

The neighborhood that I work in is in the top 10 richest zip codes in the country though, so I always STRONGLY urge our servers to not add the gratuity. Not only do 95% of the tables tip 20% or more, but they tip POST tax as opposed to 18% pre-tax. This can be a huge difference on a $400 check.

Do they add it for blacks though?

 

[TallBill]

I would disagree.
Sure good people would tend to tip you more than the added gratuity but if you get screw once from a big party and you are in the hole.
Always put in the auto grat if your restaurant allows you to.
If they party think you deserve more than the auto 15%, 18%, they will add in a few dollars.
Best thing about this is that you will never get screwed.

To each his own, I just happen to know my job and location pretty damned well. If a check gets high enough, of course I'd add gratuity. But something in the $400 range will surely get you a $80-100 tip. If its a fun group, or business professionals I know I'll be fine. We have really cute girl servers too so they can easily pull a 30% post tax tip.

So a $400 post tax check at 18% grat is a roughly $65 tip (check is ~$360 pretax).

Even if they give you a "shitty" tip, or 15% of post-tax (since that's what people usually tip on its still $60, but if they leave you a good tip, its all profit.

And if you have any reason to believe that you'll be absolutely be burned, I'll absolutely add gratuity. If its a group of shoddy looking individuals, black or not, then hell yeah auto-grat. I haven't ever been burned.

But I don't serve anymore, so behind the bar I'm at the will of the gods. Although I average around 20-30% (depending on the night) of post tax totals. Tonight was 25% average. And that's after I ate 2.5 meals.

 

[rh71]

But hell, single woman with kids, collage girl getting money for school, guy who's got child support payments to make... it's not like waiters are a poor choice of charity: 100% goes to the needy.

That's what they want you to think. Look at all the examples where waiters end up making more than your avg college job. Sometimes way more. Half the time they can't help but brag about it. 😉

 

[gorcorps]

That's what they want you to think. Look at all the examples where waiters end up making more than your avg college job. Sometimes way more. Half the time they can't help but brag about it. 😉

Good servers can make bank at decently popular restaurants. My sister has worked at a couple different restaurants part time, and she'll usually bring home a fair amount more in cash than she makes teaching. If you don't mind dealing with people's BS, and doing the same crap every day you can make a decent chunk of change if you care enough to be good at it.

 

[kaerflog]

That's what they want you to think. Look at all the examples where waiters end up making more than your avg college job. Sometimes way more. Half the time they can't help but brag about it. 😉

Well, I always tell people that if you are jealous that servers make too much money, then become a servers.
I can tell you you that having done it, it a hard job.
The job consists of pretty much sucking up to people all the time.

 

[nageov3t]

chicks always seemed like the worst tippers to me.

guys will just throw a bunch of $20's in a pile and call it a day... girls seem to sit there and dicker over who owes how much, what percent of tip, should you tip on the tax, etc, etc.

 

[hanoverphist]

20% is standard. And if tipping went out the window in America, either service would plummet or prices of food and beverage would increase roughly 20% at every establishment.

Go to a super high end steakhouse where servers make $100k. Take away tips, and guess what the restaurant is going to start having to pay servers to retain them?

this would cause a much needed reform in the whole restaurant world, IMO. you wouldnt have to retain those servers, you could let them go and hire someone else that needed a job more, pay them a salary that made sense (100k, lol) and adjust pricing accordingly. sure, it would suck to be a part of the transition, but the future benefits far outweigh the annoyances it would cause to the here and now.

i was a waiter for a long time back in my youth, and i made damn good cash doing it. i always tried to serve everyone the best i could, regardless of whether i could tell they were going to be crappy tippers or not. believe me, you can tell within 5 or so minutes. knowing what wait staff goes through, i have always thought the restaurant scene needed a shake up like stated above, even when i was making much more than i would under my restructure. some jobs just arent meant to be high paying jobs, food service is one of those jobs. the chefs in the back make bank due to their skills, but really... the service to the table isnt a highly skilled position that only a few people can master.

 

[Beev]

chicks always seemed like the worst tippers to me.

guys will just throw a bunch of $20's in a pile and call it a day... girls seem to sit there and dicker over who owes how much, what percent of tip, should you tip on the tax, etc, etc.

My mom and sister do this and it's annoying as fuck.

 

[Nahtzee]

Are you discriminating against a person of certain skin because of poor previous experiences?

You're racist, generalizing, and illogical.

The fact of the matter is, you're purposely providing sub-par service on the basis of past experiences with people of a certain color of skin.

Provide poor service? Get poor tip.

/thread
Edit: Yes it is extremely ironic that someone with the username "Nahtzee" is posting this.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Are you discriminating against a person of certain skin because of poor previous experiences?

You're racist, generalizing, and illogical.

The fact of the matter is, you're purposely providing sub-par service on the basis of past experiences with people of a certain color of skin.

Provide poor service? Get poor tip.

/thread
Edit: Yes it is extremely ironic that someone with the username "Nahtzee" is posting this.

Stereotyping /= Racism

Yes, there is a large chance they are driving down the path of a self-fulfilling prophecy. But then again, stereotypes hold true most of the time for a reason.

All in all personal experience with individual customers trumps everything.

 

[ss284]

Even if they give you a "shitty" tip, or 15% of post-tax (since that's what people usually tip on its still $60, but if they leave you a good tip, its all profit.

When did 15% become a shitty tip? Also, when did tipping on TAX become the norm?

 

[TallBill]

this would cause a much needed reform in the whole restaurant world, IMO. you wouldnt have to retain those servers, you could let them go and hire someone else that needed a job more, pay them a salary that made sense (100k, lol) and adjust pricing accordingly. .

Once again, I work in one of the top 10 richest zip codes in the country. People buy 10,000 bottles of wine (not at my restaurant, but the neighboring ones). A friend of mine got a $1000 tip on a $1000 tab last week. The bartenders working at the place next to mine are unionized and make SALARY on top of really really good cash tips. You could absolutely not replace them, they are the core of their establishment, being there for 15+ years.

When did 15% become a shitty tip? Also, when did tipping on TAX become the norm?

Once again, in my area, 15% of pre-tax is a shitty tip. Almost everyone averages well over 20% of post-tax. Maybe people in Chicago are just more generous. I don't know a single person who would tip less than 20% of post-tax unless service was bad.

 

[Wreckem]

Once again, I work in one of the top 10 richest zip codes in the country. People buy 10,000 bottles of wine (not at my restaurant, but the neighboring ones). A friend of mine got a $1000 tip on a $1000 tab last week. The bartenders working at the place next to mine are unionized and make SALARY on top of really really good cash tips. You could absolutely not replace them, they are the core of their establishment, being there for 15+ years.



Once again, in my area, 15% of pre-tax is a shitty tip. Almost everyone averages well over 20% of post-tax. Maybe people in Chicago are just more generous. I don't know a single person who would tip less than 20% of post-tax unless service was bad.

The norm for most of america is 15% pre tax for good service. Excellent service and above is 20-25% pre tax. Bad service is 10% and getting the person fired...

I personally tip 16.5% pre tax for good service or 24.75% pre tax for excellent service. 10% for bad, unless it is so terrible they deserve nothing. There is only one time I ever tipped zero.

 

[TallBill]

Understandable. To get a Jack + Coke is $8.50 after tax at my bar if that gives you a frame of reference to what kind of money we're dealing with here.

 

[Nahtzee]

To the person talking about "Wrigleyville" being one of the most affluent zipcodes in the country, you're completely FULL of shit.

Winnetka, Naperville, Evanston, Skokie, New Trier blow Wrigleyville out of that department. You have NO idea what you're talking about.

Wrigleyville is a hipster middle-wage community at best.

Sources:
I lived there for 6 years.

 

[TallBill]

Double post - but I'll comment that wrigleyville is NOT a hipster area at all. It's a yuppie frat boy fresh out of college area. I work on the weekends so I get to enjoy the great bars/restaurants on quieter days, but I'm moving out of this area soon, possibly a bit south to Lakeview

 

[TallBill]

To the person talking about "Wrigleyville" being one of the most affluent zipcodes in the country, you're completely FULL of shit.

Winnetka, Naperville, Evanston, Skokie, New Trier blow Wrigleyville out of that department. You have NO idea what you're talking about.

Wrigleyville is a hipster middle-wage community at best.

Sources:
I lived there for 6 years.

I work in river north. You can take your foot out of your mouth whenever you'd like.

It's #9 if you sort by income per return at $207k /yr