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blacks given poorer service while dining because of tipping stereotype

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my wife is an RN and quite often works in the intensive care peds units. She always dreads getting the african american kids due to dealing with the parents. The parents think the hospital is a motel, demanding a place to sleep while they stay with their kids and on more then once instance, my wife was yelled at because she wouldn't ask them to bring up coffee with the child's meal. As for tipping, the people waiting tables are very underpaid; it's expected for them to make up their wages, by receiving tips. Right or wrong, that's the system.
 
Race has nothing to do with me tipping nicely. My tip size depends on the bitch's hotness. Ugly? Low tip. Guy? Sorry go to hell.
 
zerocool84 said:
Why would you tip if the service is poor? That's encouraging poor service. Makes no sense at all.
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Do you think a tip of 3-5% and a brief conversation about why I am stiffing them on their tip fails to convey that poor service just cost them $10-20 on one single table?

I agree, if I did that and just didn't say anything, I would just look cheap.

Given I am a repeat customer at most places I eat, my main interest is in getting great service on my next visit, not saving a couple of dollars and justifying it because the service sucked.
 
3chordcharlie said:
Do you think a tip of 3-5% and a brief conversation about why I am stiffing them on their tip fails to convey that poor service just cost them $10-20 on one single table?

I agree, if I did that and just didn't say anything, I would just look cheap.

Given I am a repeat customer at most places I eat, my main interest is in getting great service on my next visit, not saving a couple of dollars and justifying it because the service sucked.
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D:

You've never worked in a restaurant have you?
 
WelshBloke said:
D:

You've never worked in a restaurant have you?
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I'm one of the best customers you will ever have, and likely a known 'good tipper' at many of the places I go. I'm not particularly demanding, polite and friendly.

The one and only time I didn't tip at all, I was so pissed off at the service, and the manager's response that I have indeed never been back.

As I said, I'm talking about less than 10 times leaving a poor tip in probably a couple of thousand meals. And every one of those servers knew in perfectly polite terms why I was unhappy. To be honest I can't remember seeing one of them still working by the next time I was in the same restaurant.
 
I'll make 2 comments.

The first is, America is the tipping country of the world. Ive got 13 countries stamped in my passport, and have spent quite a bit of time in about 5 of them. Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, and Brazil. the locals dont tip, nor are tips expected. Argentina is a mixed bag, but usually locals dont tip. Foreigners, however, are expected to tip (of course they wont refuse it). But overall, save the major "westernized" cities (Beijing, Hong Kong, Rio, etc) tipping isnt expected. I cant speak for Europe as my travels have all been Asia and South/middle America.

As far as the subject matter...I waited tables a long time ago. I worked in a primarily uppity mostly white area, and also worked in a downtown rougher area. In both cases I can say IN GENERAL, blacks tip far worse. My buddy lives in Nashville and works as a server, and he mirrors my experience. He works at a upper mid level type resto.
 
Went to an Indian wedding reception yesterday. The bartender had a total of like $10 in tips half if which was me. Probably over the course of 200-250 beers and wines.

Coincidentally the reception was in long beach CA. Went to a club lounge place down the street called mai tais. It must have been ghetto hip hop night since there was lil jon blasting and soulja boy on. Went to the bathroom and the towel guy had a total of a quarter in tips. Gave him a dollar. Lots of black people at said bar. Made me remember this thread lol.
 
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DixyCrat said:
Of course Dari, you're not stupid; you just fail in this thread.

I'm giving you shit because you're representing my perspective poorly; I'm not jealous, i'm sad that ann-arbor isn't doing a better job with you.

It should be clear that almost everyone on this forum is intelligent enough to hold an honest and deep conversation with; they deserve a better quality of argumentation than you've put forth.
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Ann-Arbor? Is that the school you think I went to? lol. Anyway, remove your request to be friends. I have no interest.
 
JD50 said:
You either have a terrible memory or you're thinking of the wrong person. I was in the Navy for 2 months. I'm partially color blind and they didn't realize it (neither did I actually) until after I was at bootcamp. I couldn't do what I went in to do (because of the red/green color deficiency) so I got out. 2 months of being in the military wouldn't make up for not having a high school diploma. Anyways I don't think I've ever heard of a police department that allows people in that haven't graduated high school.

I don't know what else to tell you Dari, I graduated high school in 2000 with the same people I went to kindergarten with. I'm finishing my Computer Science degree now, and I definitely had to send in my high school diploma when I applied for college.

Anyways, the fact that you think this even matters shows how narrow minded you are. Lack of a degree, or diploma, doesn't say anything about how intelligent someone is. You can keep going with this if you want, but you're simply wrong.
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We had this argument before and you admitted as much. Maybe you're deficient in other areas as well...
 
Dari said:
Ann-Arbor? Is that the school you think I went to? lol. Anyway, remove your request to be friends. I have no interest.
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There is no discipline within which Ann-Arbor does not have some of the top faculty in the world. You've proven your ignorance, exactly as I expected. Further, you've proven that you're one of the sad-lot that seem to think because a school's name is famous it makes it 'the best', or some-how better-than.

Ever more proof that you are little more than a tool for the 1% my fail friend.

So, being so anti 1% can I take it that despite seeing through the 1% oppression of setting us 99%ers against each-other; you still respect those whom serve you and leave a large tip? Or do you just fail, generally, at living a life in accord with the ideas that you wish to identify yourself with? Or do you feel as-though you always get poor service because of the poorly defined proto-Marxist views, which you proudly display via your dress?

It's honestly sad how poorly you defend your thoughts when called to task.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
I've never waited tables so I have no firsthand experience but based on what I read here, the stereotype has been confirmed on multiple occasions.
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Not going to read 13 pages of people apologizing for bad customer behavior. But anyone who has every waited tables will tell you that this is an unfortunate truth, however as anyone with any common sense will also tell you its not across the board. Of course you cant generalize that 100% of black customers are this way. Black people dont even like waiting on black people and they make no excuses for the customers behavior, So i guess black people are also racist. Or just maybe waiters (white, black, asian, hispanic or whatever) like to put there energy towards the customer who will tip more and are nice rather than rude and cheap and that goes towards any race. IT AINT ABOUT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN. ITS ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

Of course this isnt the only people group that are known for being cheap.
 
elitejp said:
Not going to read 13 pages of people apologizing for bad customer behavior. But anyone who has every waited tables will tell you that this is an unfortunate truth, however as anyone with any common sense will also tell you its not across the board. Of course you cant generalize that 100% of black customers are this way. Black people dont even like waiting on black people and they make no excuses for the customers behavior, So i guess black people are also racist. Or just maybe waiters (white, black, asian, hispanic or whatever) like to put there energy towards the customer who will tip more and are nice rather than rude and cheap and that goes towards any race. IT AINT ABOUT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN. ITS ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

Of course this isnt the only people group that are known for being cheap.
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if it's an assumption based on past experiences, is it still considered racist in the negative sense?
 
Dari said:
We had this argument before and you admitted as much. Maybe you're deficient in other areas as well...
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$500

Actually, lets make a bet. If I can provide proof that I graduated high school on time, you never post on these forums again. I have my diploma sitting right here next to me. I'll scan it along with my drivers license and send it to one of the mods, they can verify. If I don't provide proof I'll never post here again. Also that $500 offer is still on the table. The search function on this forum sucks but I'm sure you can figure out how to use google to search these forums.

Deal?
 
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fstime said:
they should perform their job at standard level to everyone and simply receive whatever wage they earn (at minimum-minimum wage) or be fired for poor performance.
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This, plus they can get tipped if the customer feels it was good service. That's what a tip actually is.

The way it is now, 15% is standard, because we feel obligated to pay the rest of their salary.
 
DixyCrat said:
There is no discipline within which Ann-Arbor does not have some of the top faculty in the world. You've proven your ignorance, exactly as I expected. Further, you've proven that you're one of the sad-lot that seem to think because a school's name is famous it makes it 'the best', or some-how better-than.

Ever more proof that you are little more than a tool for the 1% my fail friend.

So, being so anti 1% can I take it that despite seeing through the 1% oppression of setting us 99%ers against each-other; you still respect those whom serve you and leave a large tip? Or do you just fail, generally, at living a life in accord with the ideas that you wish to identify yourself with? Or do you feel as-though you always get poor service because of the poorly defined proto-Marxist views, which you proudly display via your dress?

It's honestly sad how poorly you defend your thoughts when called to task.
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Yeah, you got me🙄

Not sure why you think I even take you or this thread seriously. It piqued my interest and I was amused so I started off with a joke. Then I became inquisitive. Then you and I got into a scuffle. I never took you seriously then and I don't now. You insulted me and I returned the insults in spades. I did not even realize I was having a logical argument with you. And I have no idea how the fuck Ann Arbor came into the picture. Seriously, dude, you're an annoying distraction that I find somewhat intriguing. Intriguing because you somehow want to be my friend. I don't want to be your friend. Get a girfriend (or boyfriend, if you roll that way) and take away that fucking friend request. It's FUCKING ANNOYING! Take it back.

Oh, and I graduated from Princeton and Columbia. Make of it what you want. I'm done with you. I will ignore you from now on.
 
JD50 said:
$500

Actually, lets make a bet. If I can provide proof that I graduated high school on time, you never post on these forums again. I have my diploma sitting right here next to me. I'll scan it along with my drivers license and send it to one of the mods, they can verify. If I don't provide proof I'll never post here again. Also that $500 offer is still on the table. The search function on this forum sucks but I'm sure you can figure out how to use google to search these forums.

Deal?
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JD50 said:
Bump for Dari
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Actually, I don't know or care whether or not you graduated from high school. All that stuff about us having a discussion over it is not true. You lied about me acting irrationally when it comes to race issues and I asked you to provide proof, at which you ran away from doing. I, therefore, decided to make you work another way by bringing up this high school bullshit. And worked you did. Now you want to provide solid proof that you graduated from high school. I figured if you weren't going to prove that I acted a certain way then you were going to prove that you were not a high school drop out.

All this could have been avoided if you had just provided the proof I asked for. The only reason why you couldn't was because there was none (there was certainly none in THIS thread). You irritated me so I decided to do the same to you.

You can ignore me now.
 
Blacks in definitely more common at being terrible tippers. That being said, I like to make money so I try to give good service to everyone. I'd hate to give bad service to any big tipper and miss out on money, especially if they end up being service industry themselves.

I had a slightly mentally challenged black man in today who happened to leave me 22% on a very easy tab to work ($8 on $36). I can guarantee that he probably gets bad service constantly because of his obvious condition + skin color which is a shame.

I also got a $2 tip on a $27 tab from black woman in there today who got equal service as everyone else and was the only customer of the day to tip under 20%, let alone shitty.

So the bias is there for a reason, but a smart server/bartender will ignore it since it isn't always true.
 
rh71 said:
This, plus they can get tipped if the customer feels it was good service. That's what a tip actually is.

The way it is now, 15% is standard, because we feel obligated to pay the rest of their salary.
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20% is standard. And if tipping went out the window in America, either service would plummet or prices of food and beverage would increase roughly 20% at every establishment.

Go to a super high end steakhouse where servers make $100k. Take away tips, and guess what the restaurant is going to start having to pay servers to retain them?
 
Dari said:
Actually, I don't know or care whether or not you graduated from high school. All that stuff about us having a discussion over it is not true. You lied about me acting irrationally when it comes to race issues and I asked you to provide proof, at which you ran away from doing. I, therefore, decided to make you work another way by bringing up this high school bullshit. And worked you did. Now you want to provide solid proof that you graduated from high school. I figured if you weren't going to prove that I acted a certain way then you were going to prove that you were not a high school drop out.

All this could have been avoided if you had just provided the proof I asked for. The only reason why you couldn't was because there was none (there was certainly none in THIS thread). You irritated me so I decided to do the same to you.

You can ignore me now.
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Yes, clearly that is rational behavior...🙄 One thing is a perception gained from reading multiple posts of yours over the past few years, the other is a fact that's easily proven. Apples to Oranges.

As for you acting irrationally in other threads, see the Trayvon Martin thread, you even got multiple mod warnings.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2231467&page=128

You've got a serious chip on your shoulder.
 
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TallBill said:
20% is standard.
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So places that automatically add 16% or 18% to your bill for gratuity if you have 6 or more people are screwing themselves?

I agree service would decline if taken away - which is why I said the whole idea is fuct to begin with.

What is the idea behind a tip? To show your gratitude for OUTSTANDING service. Tip the cable installer for giving you extra channels, or showing up early. Tip the coffee maker because she knows what you want everyday. Tip the furniture delivery guy because he put it exactly where you want it in the house. The waiter brings you food you ordered. No faster than it is made inside. They disappear for 10 minutes at a time and you're left to peer around for them everytime ANOTHER waiter walks by. You want your check... ask for it, they give it to you then run away again so they can serve someone else. And we are supposed to show our gratitude for waiting on them. No, the customer should not be paying their _salaries_ even if they smile a lot and are friendly to our kids. That is maybe when you tip.

As for the price hikes IF WAITERS ARE PAID A REGULAR SALARY - take out restaurants charge $6 for a good burger while eat-in already charges $10. So what you're getting at is they're raping us twice as it is.
 
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rh71 said:
So places that automatically add 16% or 18% to your bill for gratuity if you have 6 or more people are screwing themselves?
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No, they're screwing the server, assuming the server always gets 20%, which they don't, a lot of people only tip 15% or worse.

I worked at a place that had an auto gratuity rule, but the server had the option of not applying it, basically taking a huge risk, hoping the guy would tip 20% or more. Sometimes it worked, sometimes if backfired, badly. Even good tippers can screw up with large bills and tip a way lower % than they think they are tipping.
 
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