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Blackhawk down

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Is it true to the actual facts? If so, why did we leave?
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Yes. Clinton was a poll-driven pu$$y.
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Yeah, pretty much. The casualties most likely would have been much lower had Clinton committed the proper assets to the theatre.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Is it true to the actual facts? If so, why did we leave?
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Yes. Clinton was a poll-driven pu$$y.
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Yep and sent them to Haiti six months later only to have them return again when he saw the action did not bode well with the American public.

 
Personally I despise Clinton, but I doubt he made those decisions on his own without asking his military advisors first.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Personally I despise Clinton, but I doubt he made those decisions on his own without asking his military advisors first.
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If I remember correctly, it was Les Aspin, Clinton's Secretary Of Defense at the time, that denied Colin Powell's request for heavy armor in Somalia.


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And after a quick search...........



In September General Powell asked Aspin to approve the request of the U.S. commander in Somalia for tanks and armored vehicles for his forces. Aspin turned down the request. Shortly thereafter Aideed's forces in Mogadishu killed 18 U.S. soldiers and wounded more than 75 in attacks that also resulted in the shooting down of three U.S. helicopters and the capture of one pilot.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Personally I despise Clinton, but I doubt he made those decisions on his own without asking his military advisors first.
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It's no secret the Pentagon wanted spectre-gunships to provide air support for that mission. That request was denied by "Washington."

It's no secret that liberals don't want the US to be a lone Superpower. Hence, why they love the UN, why they want the US to lose in Iraq, and why Clinton advanced the Chinese space and nuclear programs by 20 years.
 
Originally posted by: Daaavo
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Personally I despise Clinton, but I doubt he made those decisions on his own without asking his military advisors first.
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If I remember correctly, it was Les Aspin, Clinton's Secretary Of Defense at the time, that denied Colin Powell's request for heavy armor in Somalia.


-EDIT-

And after a quick search...........



In September General Powell asked Aspin to approve the request of the U.S. commander in Somalia for tanks and armored vehicles for his forces. Aspin turned down the request. Shortly thereafter Aideed's forces in Mogadishu killed 18 U.S. soldiers and wounded more than 75 in attacks that also resulted in the shooting down of three U.S. helicopters and the capture of one pilot.
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If Bush has to take the heat for Rummy then Clinton can take the blame for borking up the Somalia mission.
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Daaavo
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Personally I despise Clinton, but I doubt he made those decisions on his own without asking his military advisors first.
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If I remember correctly, it was Les Aspin, Clinton's Secretary Of Defense at the time, that denied Colin Powell's request for heavy armor in Somalia.


-EDIT-

And after a quick search...........



In September General Powell asked Aspin to approve the request of the U.S. commander in Somalia for tanks and armored vehicles for his forces. Aspin turned down the request. Shortly thereafter Aideed's forces in Mogadishu killed 18 U.S. soldiers and wounded more than 75 in attacks that also resulted in the shooting down of three U.S. helicopters and the capture of one pilot.
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If Bush has to take the heat for Rummy then Clinton can take the blame for borking up the Somalia mission.
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I love that 2000 Election Results map in your sig!

 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: Daaavo
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Personally I despise Clinton, but I doubt he made those decisions on his own without asking his military advisors first.
Click to expand...

If I remember correctly, it was Les Aspin, Clinton's Secretary Of Defense at the time, that denied Colin Powell's request for heavy armor in Somalia.


-EDIT-

And after a quick search...........



In September General Powell asked Aspin to approve the request of the U.S. commander in Somalia for tanks and armored vehicles for his forces. Aspin turned down the request. Shortly thereafter Aideed's forces in Mogadishu killed 18 U.S. soldiers and wounded more than 75 in attacks that also resulted in the shooting down of three U.S. helicopters and the capture of one pilot.
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If Bush has to take the heat for Rummy then Clinton can take the blame for borking up the Somalia mission.
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I love that 2000 Election Results map in your sig!
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Wish I could claim it was my research. 🙂 Thanks though.
 
The movie or the book, The book was *very* close to what happened which is a shocker (of course comparing it to the book).
 
We left because we should not have been there in the first place, and we weren't there for the reason we said we were, and the administration decided to cut their loses in the end.
 
I saw a documentary on the events of BlackHawk Down a couple of weeks ago, and the movie was *very* close to the actual events... even some of the dialogue were accurate...
 
This is pretty weird:

Les Aspin (Leslie Aspin, Jr.), 1938?95, U.S. politician and government official, b. Milwaukee, Wis. Running as a Democrat opposed to the Vietnam War, he won election as a U.S. Representative from Wisconsin in 1970. Reelected 10 times, he served in the House until 1993. In 1985 he became chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and in that position supported many aspects of President Ronald Reagan's military buildup.


But yet strangely, his argument for denying armor in Somalia was that he didn't want to give the appearance of escalation in the region. I don't get it.
 
This is pretty weird:

Les Aspin (Leslie Aspin, Jr.), 1938?95, U.S. politician and government official, b. Milwaukee, Wis. Running as a Democrat opposed to the Vietnam War, he won election as a U.S. Representative from Wisconsin in 1970. Reelected 10 times, he served in the House until 1993. In 1985 he became chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and in that position supported many aspects of President Ronald Reagan's military buildup.


But yet strangely, his argument for denying armor in Somalia was that he didn't want to give the appearance of escalation in the region. I don't get it.
 
Originally posted by: Daaavo
This is pretty weird:

Les Aspin (Leslie Aspin, Jr.), 1938?95, U.S. politician and government official, b. Milwaukee, Wis. Running as a Democrat opposed to the Vietnam War, he won election as a U.S. Representative from Wisconsin in 1970. Reelected 10 times, he served in the House until 1993. In 1985 he became chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and in that position supported many aspects of President Ronald Reagan's military buildup.


But yet strangely, his argument for denying armor in Somalia was that he didn't want to give the appearance of escalation in the region. I don't get it.
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Yeah, because we were there on a "peacekeeping" mission
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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Originally posted by: Daaavo
This is pretty weird:

Les Aspin (Leslie Aspin, Jr.), 1938?95, U.S. politician and government official, b. Milwaukee, Wis. Running as a Democrat opposed to the Vietnam War, he won election as a U.S. Representative from Wisconsin in 1970. Reelected 10 times, he served in the House until 1993. In 1985 he became chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and in that position supported many aspects of President Ronald Reagan's military buildup.


But yet strangely, his argument for denying armor in Somalia was that he didn't want to give the appearance of escalation in the region. I don't get it.
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Yeah, because we were there on a "peacekeeping" mission
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True. It was a peace keeping mission up until June 5th, 1993, when 24 Pakistani's were killed. Shortly there after, there was a $25K reward put on the head of Aidid. About a month later 4 American military policeman were killed by a remote detonated landmine (sound familiar to anything going on today?) and two weeks later Task Force Ranger arrives with the sole purpose of capturing Aidid. At that point armor should have been provided.
 
although i could tell that blackhawk down was going to suck after only 5 minutes, i still sat there for 45 minutes, hoping against hope that i might see something that might redeem the incredible suckiness i was experiencing. but when it never came, i turned that piece of crap off. i think it might be flat out the worst war movie i've ever seen. you know it's bad when you're rooting for the other side.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
i think it might be flat out the worst war movie i've ever seen. you know it's bad when you're rooting for the other side.
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I don't know what you mean by worst war movie, as far as realism goes, it's up there, if not the best.
 
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