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WelshBloke said:
I remember you specifically pickig MRI reporting, and I'm sure thats why DivideBYZero picked that video.
For you to call it moronic is not only dishonest but also hypocritical.


How well do the iPads mesh in with the rest of your network? Theres a lot of patient confidentiality issues with using wireless systems for patient reporting. How closely is Apple working with you on this?
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We use a lot of WiFi enbled COW's, as do many hospitals in the US, the bulk of the work I do is on a COW. My hospital has not deployed iPads, they did purchase a significant number of them for testing.

BB making a big deal about seeing an MRI is typical of a tech company, it's not particularly useful and the monitors we use are so high resolution, I actually don't like to use them.

I'm really not sure what you're so angry about :\
 
Pliablemoose said:
We use a lot of WiFi enbled COW's, as do many hospitals in the US, the bulk of the work I do is on a COW. My hospital has not deployed iPads, they did purchase a significant number of them for testing.

BB making a big deal about seeing an MRI is typical of a tech company, it's not particularly useful and the monitors we use are so high resolution, I actually don't like to use them.

I'm really not sure what you're so angry about :\
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I don't see that BB making a big deal out of it, but they are simply the first to show a working app for the field. Looking at an MRI on a tablet may seem silly on first inspection, but having access to all scans, documents and reports on a patient in one device for initial diagnosis anywhere you are seems great to me. It's not trying to replace large monitor modalities, and nobody is silly enough to say it will, it augments them by bringing them to the fingertips wherever the health professional is.

Anyway, basic points are, it's real, it's working and people are already working on some pretty cool applications.
 
gsaldivar said:
Wake me up when someone other than RIM's CEO is allowed to play with it............
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Take a look at the video I posted above at the Adobe MAX expo. Pretty certain he's not the CEO of RIM, and that's a working device. Deal with it.

But whetever I post, haters gonna hate... :hmm:
 
gsaldivar said:
🙄🙄🙄

1. CEO of RIM
2. CTO of Adobe

Ok, other than those two people.
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Sure, but if Steve Jobs was doing the same you'd be all over it, right?

What's the issue? You can clearly see the real device running medical apps, running HD video and multitasking while playing the HD video and you can see a true desktop browsing experience.

What does this thing have to do?

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DBZ, there is no need to be this crude to make your point. Forum rules stipulate that technical discussions are intended to be "basic cable level" in terms of content as interpreted by the moderator, and I find that this post crossed that line. Please consider yourself warned.

Edit by DBZ; Cleaned up.
 
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DivideBYZero said:
What's the issue? You can clearly see the real device running medical apps, running HD video and multitasking while playing the HD video and you can see a true desktop browsing experience.

What does this thing have to do, suck you off at the drive in?
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There is no need to be crude.

Here is the issue... People are eager to see a working device. A *working* device. Not some cg video, or a few seconds of scripted demo by the CEO.

If it's a functional device, as you so fond of claiming - then let some of the press play with it and run it through its paces.

Is that so much to ask?
 
gsaldivar said:
There is no need to be crude.

Here is the issue... People are eager to see a working device. A *working* device. Not some cg video, or a few seconds of scripted demo by the CEO.

If it's a functional device, as you so fond of claiming - then let some of the press play with it and run it through its paces.

Is that so much to ask?
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I fail to see how that device isn't working and isn't functional, it's not running CG video, and it's clearly a device still in development. Like I said, what does it have to do? HD video, real web, medical applications, etc are running on a fake device? Really? :\

No company, not google, not Apple, not Samsung, would offer a device for review months before release.

You're still trying to insinuate that this device is 'fake', and that's more than a little sad. It's also interesting that you actively post in BB threads to talk shit. Did a BlackBerry touch you in your no-no square?
 
DivideBYZero said:
You're still trying to insinuate that this device is 'fake', and that's more than a little sad. It's also interesting that you actively post in BB threads to talk shit. Did a BlackBerry touch you in your no-no square?
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Why so defensive?

Do you think RIM's customers all required to love their devices? (I have news for you if you answer yes to this one...)

Do you really feel that RIM needs a diehard advocate here on AT to browbeat any dissenting opinions about their platform?

I'm responsible for a pretty good amount of business to RIM, and will soon be recommending (or not recommending) more business to them in the future... so with all due respect I think I'm qualified to ask some tough questions, or "talk shit" as you so eloquently put it...
 
DivideBYZero said:
No company, not google, not Apple, not Samsung, would offer a device for review months before release.
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What are you smoking?

It happens all the time. Ever been to a trade show? There are countless devices available for the trade and press to play with that aren't yet for sale...
 
gsaldivar said:
What are you smoking?

It happens all the time. Ever been to a trade show? There are countless devices available for the trade and press to play with that aren't yet for sale...
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Yes, I have. Like to express which devices have been handed to press audiences for review five months prior to release?
 
DivideBYZero said:
I fail to see how that device isn't working and isn't functional, it's not running CG video, and it's clearly a device still in development. Like I said, what does it have to do? HD video, real web, medical applications, etc are running on a fake device? Really? :\

No company, not google, not Apple, not Samsung, would offer a device for review months before release.

You're still trying to insinuate that this device is 'fake', and that's more than a little sad. It's also interesting that you actively post in BB threads to talk shit. Did a BlackBerry touch you in your no-no square?
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What RIM is trying to do is "freeze the market" and salvage sales for when they deliver the device next year.

One could argue that if the unit is so functional, why have they not allowed anyone to touch one or use it?

What they'll do is get some devices near production in a few months and allow the tech bloggers to use them and we'll once again see posts about how the device is "real" now, and what were we thinking by doubting them.

I think RIM is foolish to enter the 7" tablet market, they only make sense in the RIM universe where the rest of their devices are no match for the user experience of a large touch screen phone.

Android, iOS devices and WP7 are going to continue to erode RIM marketshare as time progresses. RIM dropped to fewer sales than the iPhone recently, and Apple is selling only 2 phones versus RIM's 7.

What manufacturer is pushing a device that won't be available for nearly 6 months on it's website?

http://us.blackberry.com/playbook-tablet/

In 6 months, we'll likely have gen II of the iPad, and 10+ more Android tablets from major manufacturers...

Also, dude, what the hell is up with the personal insults?

Did you honestly just suggest that a phone sexually molested a poster when he was a child?

Do you see any other posters suggesting things like that?

It gets old real quick, someone brings up a question and you turn it into a personal slam, WTF? No one can ask a question?
 
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Seems like we have people in this thread that work for some of the companies involved in this thread... anyone want to come out and say they're a shill?

Otherwise, there are some strong opinions (on both sides) for something relatively meaningless.
 
DivideBYZero said:
Phone sales have what exactly to do with the PlayBook? Keep your bias on topic, at least...
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My bias?

Let's see, my bias is to keep tabs on the telecom industry for investing purposes. And as a consumer, I look for functional devices that deliver some value to me. A 7 inch tablet possibly available in April of 2011, and possibly for $499 does absolutely nothing for me.

Seems they're so bad, and the perception of RIM is so bad they're pimping a device they won't allow anyone but a CEO to demo 6 months prior to it's release.

Were the device so production ready, why haven't they let anyone else use it? Why are they announcing a new device for them (and anyone that wants one needs to think long and hard about buying into a new device with a new OS from a company that gave us the Storm gen I) 6 months prior to it's release and pimping it on their website?

Seems RIM is having problems...

http://yhoo.it/bpny3O

http://yhoo.it/ciIOfE

RIM's struggle to deliver compelling devices is pretty sad actually....
 
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sjwaste said:
Seems like we have people in this thread that work for some of the companies involved in this thread... anyone want to come out and say they're a shill?

Otherwise, there are some strong opinions (on both sides) for something relatively meaningless.
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Disclosure:

My Wife used to work for RIM, she now works for Apple. I work for a Software company and have no links with RIM.

I'm assuming you were claiming I'm a shill and you just didn't feel like you could name names.
 
Pliablemoose said:
One could argue that if the unit is so functional, why have they not allowed anyone to touch one or use it?
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Obviously it can be functional and not be ready for release yet, otherwise they'd be releasing it, ya know, now. If they let the "press" use a pre-pre-production version, they'll just bitch about the things that still need work, so why bother?

What they'll do is get some devices near production in a few months and allow the tech bloggers to use them and we'll once again see posts about how the device is "real" now, and what were we thinking by doubting them.
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It is real. Its "real" now, even if its not finished. There is really no doubting the fact that its real. Anyone that doubts that its real has some serious issues. You can doubt that its finished...because its not. But all the RIM-haters (including you) that claimed after the first announcement that it didn't exist in working form, that video was fake, etc, were proven dead wrong on that already.

I think RIM is foolish to enter the 7" tablet market, they only make sense in the RIM universe where the rest of their devices are no match for the user experience of a large touch screen phone.
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Of course you do, because you have a curious phobia against 7" tablets. We get it - you don't like that form factor. The magical thing is, not everyone has the same opinion as you, and some people would prefer the smaller size.

What manufacturer is pushing a device that won't be available for nearly 6 months on it's website?
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Microsoft has had a website for WP7 since February. Apple announced the iPhone in January 2007 and it wasn't released until the following June - and I'm sure they had a website for it. In fact - I don't think Apple had any press hands ons at that event, now did they?
 
Pliablemoose said:
My bias?

Let's see, my bias is to keep tabs on the telecom industry for investing purposes.

Seems RIM is having problems...

Seems they're so bad, and the perception of RIM is so bad they're pimping a device they won't allow anyone but a CEO to demo 6 months prior to it's release.

Were the device so production ready, why haven't they let anyone else use it? Why are they announcing a new device for them (and anyone that's bought a first gen BB device needs to think long and hard about buying into a new device with a new OS from a company that gave us the Storm gen I)

http://yhoo.it/bpny3O

http://yhoo.it/ciIOfE
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LOL, I see a nice rise in RIM stock since the PlayBook announcement...
 
DivideBYZero said:
Disclosure:

My Wife used to work for RIM, she now works for Apple. I work for a Software company and have no links with RIM.

I'm assuming you were claiming I'm a shill and you just didn't feel like you could name names.
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Edited because I'm not generally an asshole around here.
 
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DivideBYZero said:
Yes, I have. Like to express which devices have been handed to press audiences for review five months prior to release?
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The iPad (3 months). Unveiled in January of 2010, released in April of 2010, after the unveiling in January, the press in attendance, actually everyone in attendance was invited to go right out and play with the devices on display.
 
Folks, we are actually arguing about whether a pre-release, unfinished product could possibly be demoed as a means to drumming up the hype machine. Seriously, this is an argument?

Of course this is hype. No, the product does not exist yet. When a consumer can receive one, or when a review can be conducted on one without an interested party present, then the product exists.
 
I have to admit, I'm not as anti BB biased as I come off, I think it's great that there's competition in the tablet market, it gives us better devices, more choices and better prices.

I truly hope RIM manages to put out a compelling device, but honestly, by the time this thing hits the market, we'll have a slew of Android tablets in different form factors that are just starting to hit the retail market this month, and we don't even have Gingerbread yet. Apple will likely have it's gen II tablet out with dual or maybe just a front facing camera for Facetime and a bunch of other refinements out as well.

A tablet friendly version of Android is going to rock the industry... Just like their phones have.
 
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Pliablemoose said:
I have to admit, I'm not as anti BB biased as I come off, I think it's great that there's competition in the tablet market, it gives us better devices, more choices and better prices.

I truly hope RIM manages to put out a compelling device, but honestly, by the time this thing hits the market, we'll have a slew of Android tablets in different form factors that are just starting to hit the retail market this month, and we don't even have Gingerbread yet.

A tablet friendly version of Android is going to rock the industry... Just like their phones have.
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Are you that confident that Android tablets will hit the market that quickly? So far we haven't seen a capable version of the OS (for tablets I mean).

Personally, I don't care who releases what. Once a good product comes out, I will buy it. We have an iPad, but it's really not what I was looking for and my wife has even lost interest in it. The lack of flash isn't a total showstopper, but it does happen to creep up at inopportune times.

This RIM tablet looks promising, but again, nothing's been out in the wild or independently reviewed. If it works like they say it does, and is reasonably priced (under $500 without a carrier lock/contract), I'll buy it.
 
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