Black Viper is back

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: forrestroche

Originally posted by: spyordie007
Please dont tweak anything when you arent fully aware of the implications (not just reading someone's opinion on the tweak, but really understanding what it does and what will be effected).

Why not? BV states very clearly (for those who read ALL of the information in the tweaks section - anyone who reads HALF the book "how to overhaul your car's engine" deserve to have it blow up) you should create services profiles - and the first one is the default setting, that way you can return to all of your original settings no problem.

Even were that not true, with programs like Ghost, I feel free to do ANYTHING to my OS, because no matter what, I can restore my c: partition in under 5 minutes. All of my personal files are on a seperate partition, so I can't lose anything.

I don't understand much of anything about these services, but as I stated in an earlier post, following his advice (and some other peoples') allowed me to run XP Pro on a 475mhz 64mb ram HP laptop. It is stable and more responsive than 98se. But I used common sense and didn't go sticking my thang anywhere before I put a sock on (Ghost).

That said, I do think BV should provide and alternative to Sys Restore which he recommends shutting off (I agree humbly). Radified ( http://radified.com/index2.html ) articles on partition strategies and Ghost allowed me to set up my system so that I have NO fear of much of anything anymore.

Just a n00b's opinion

But ignorance, while it checks the enthusiasm of the sensible, in no way restrains the fools...
- Stanislaw Lem

:laugh:

Seriously though, not everyone has the ghost backups to get things to a default configuration when something doesn't work. Going through all that just seems like it'd take too much time.

Why not just buy more ram?

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Why not just buy more ram?:thumbsup:

LOL, that might be a Good closing to the Thread.:beer:

:sun:

P.S. Unless some one would like to tally the amount of RAM that is saved by closing these services and we can figure out the monetary value of Mr. Viper's page.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: JackMDS

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Why not just buy more ram?:thumbsup:

LOL, that might be a Good closing to the Thread.:beer:

:sun:

P.S. Unless some one would like to tally the amount of RAM that is saved by closing these services and we can figure out the monetary value of Mr. Viper's page.

Not gonna do that, but I have to question the value of running XP on a computer with 64 MB of RAM since even if the OS can run fine in ~50 MB of RAM with some tweaking, it's gonna be slow as hell the second you actually try to get some work done.
A few bucks for more RAM seems like a good idea indeed.

 

[spyordie007]

You're crazy if you want to run any modern desktop OS on 64MB of RAM.

 

[forrestroche]

Originally posted by: Sunner
Not gonna do that, but I have to question the value of running XP on a computer with 64 MB of RAM since even if the OS can run fine in ~50 MB of RAM with some tweaking, it's gonna be slow as hell the second you actually try to get some work done.
A few bucks for more RAM seems like a good idea indeed.

I am shopping ebay for cheap ram right now. But first I wanted to see if it could be done - a buddy who should know said it wouldn't even boot. As long as I only do one thing at a time it's fine - but as soon as I launch multiple browser windows, it does slow down quite a bit.

I will ditch the 64mb module and put in 2x128 (that's max for this laptop). To think, the thing was kick ass when I bought it!

 

[JackMDS]

Even Win98se run as a Lame on 64MB.

:sun:

 

[forrestroche]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Even Win98se run as a Lame on 64MB.

:sun:

Not in 1999.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: forrestroche

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Even Win98se run as a Lame on 64MB.

:sun:

Not in 1999.

It was Lame in 1999 as wel, but then with TX Laptop Mobos and the price of memory, we did not have other choices

:sun:

 

[eplebnista]

Originally posted by: Sunner
Blackviper is a fvcking moron.

:shocked:

 

[Fresh Daemon]

If you ask me, tweaking for performance is pointless now anyway. Maybe when we had 386 processors and 1MB of RAM, then every kilobyte was precious. But now, tweaking windows should be about appearance and functionality. By which I mean things like samurize, konfabulator, objectdock, avedesk, visual styles, etc. Hardware development has outstripped software requirements.

P.S. Unless some one would like to tally the amount of RAM that is saved by closing these services and we can figure out the monetary value of Mr. Viper's page.

I like that idea. I have a PII-300 system with 96MB of RAM lying around here, maybe I'll try out some installations of Win2K and WinXP according to Viper's recommendations and see how much RAM it saves, and if it frees up enough CPU cycles to make a difference in any benchmark. It's low-end enough that it should benefit "noticeably" from his tweaks.

 

[spyordie007]

It's low-end enough that it should benefit "noticeably" from his tweaks.

You'd probably notice the differance in RAM reading from taskmanager. But I doubt you'd see a signifigant differance in your benchmarks (once the unused components were paged to disk).

If you do such a test please post the results, I'd be curious to see what you came up with.

 

[Fresh Daemon]

I'm performing a clean install of XP as we speak. I'm very curious myself as to what the results will be of BV's tweaks. The only tweak whose performance he actually measured on his site was his pagefile tweaks. By creating a static page file instead of the dynamic one he achieved a 0.52% decrease in UT2003 botmatch FPS (yes, decrease) on his first test system. Other results were very similar, i.e. minuscule changes and not always positive. It occurs to me that BV has probably not tested most, if any, of his tweaks. We shall see soon.

 

[Fresh Daemon]

Alright, I'm about half-way through testing and benchmarking. Results soon, maybe tomorrow.

 

[Fresh Daemon]

Part One is done: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=34&threadid=1678445&enterthread=y