Black Violin

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

I'm not going to be negative about your reply as you're just voicing your opinion. I can say that your opinion is common to those that don't know classical music, and that's quite all right. Many think it's just a simple regurgitation of what's on the page, but to refute such an incorrect assessment would take more than a post in a message board, imo.

Suffice it to say that you are entirely wrong for a lot of reasons:

1) She improvised in some of those pieces. She also composed her own cadenza for Mozart's violin sonata. This is hardly a regurgitation and it shows an impressive command of music as a language.

2) Her mechanical command of the violin takes a lifetime to master, and most never achieve what she has in her short years.

Those are the two primary refutations. Also understand that there's a difference between knowing how to speak (improvisation) and learning how to communicate (language). Classical musicians learn the language of music and work from there.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

That's because you don't have an eye for talent. Someone else's music? Are you JOKING me? Every song ever written since the first song was written has been a near copy of each other, if you look at the musical fundamentals of it all.

Music is a language; Like all languages, not all can understand it.

Like I posted in my edit, she's VERY, VERY GOOD, great maybe, but there's something missing for me.

We can disagree.

frankly, something like that piece requires proper expoerience, not to adaquately judge it, but to understand what goes into it.

I remember, with all of my years of experince, with all my medals, with all my awards, sitting their baffled and bruised/beaten when I fianlly got my hands on Sibelius' Violin Concerto in D.

It was my favorite piece, and I realized that, finally, I had found something that I could not play.

I was just not good enough. On that day I got extremely depressed, but my respect for jascha heifetz, who played the best rendition I have ever heard of it, increased ten fold.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

That's pretty insulting to those of us who are making a career out of classical music. You obviously know next to nothing about classical performance or classical musicians, or you'd see all the flaws in your statements. I'm not going to get too far up on a soap box, but I'll just say: if "anyone" could do it with enough training, why aren't all hard-working violinists as good as her? Why aren't you?

<--Piano Performance major at Indiana University

edit: and yes, any classical musician can distinguish performers. As a pianist, I can usually pick out what famous pianist is playing in a recording I've never heard before. That's why multiple musicians record things over time. For the record, I've known a couple violinists here at school who have played that piece in the video. All of them did it well, but very differently from one another.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

That's pretty insulting to those of us who are making a career out of classical music. You obviously know next to nothing about classical performance or classical musicians, or you'd see all the flaws in your statements. I'm not going to get too far up on a soap box, but I'll just say: if "anyone" could do it with enough training, why aren't all hard-working violinists as good as her? Why aren't you?

<--Piano Performance major at Indiana University

lets lay off of that......and not ruin yet another thread.


the guy spoke his mind, let him be.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

the black violin set was interesting, but that link... :Q

fantastically beautiful.

this girl have a cd out?

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

That's pretty insulting to those of us who are making a career out of classical music. You obviously know next to nothing about classical performance or classical musicians, or you'd see all the flaws in your statements. I'm not going to get too far up on a soap box, but I'll just say: if "anyone" could do it with enough training, why aren't all hard-working violinists as good as her? Why aren't you?

<--Piano Performance major at Indiana University

lets lay off of that......and not ruin yet another thread.


the guy spoke his mind, let him be.

...and I'm speaking mine? Sorry, I don't like spouting of bullshit, especially about something I've centered my life around. Let's see how you react when someone starts off with false information about your career.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

the black violin set was interesting, but that link... :Q

fantastically beautiful.

this girl have a cd out?

hell, i'd buy it.


I need to post the track of heifetz playing that piece....I swear she has a gift....she sounds like him.

 

[kogase]

I agree about the violinist in a sense. She's quite skilled technically, but doesn't leave a lasting impression on me. Of course, she's young and has time to develop into much more unique musician. The creative divide between 1955 and 1981 for Glenn Gould comes to mind.

 

[madeupfacts]

wow that was awesome. I use to play the violin and they were pretty skillful. I loved it.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: kogase
I agree about the violinist in a sense. She's quite skilled technically, but doesn't leave a lasting impression on me. Of course, she's young and has time to develop into much more unique musician. The creative divide between 1955 and 1981 for Glenn Gould comes to mind.

A creative divide? Is that a nice way of saying he chose to be a recluse?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

That's pretty insulting to those of us who are making a career out of classical music. You obviously know next to nothing about classical performance or classical musicians, or you'd see all the flaws in your statements. I'm not going to get too far up on a soap box, but I'll just say: if "anyone" could do it with enough training, why aren't all hard-working violinists as good as her? Why aren't you?

<--Piano Performance major at Indiana University

lets lay off of that......and not ruin yet another thread.


the guy spoke his mind, let him be.

...and I'm speaking mine? Sorry, I don't like spouting of bullshit, especially about something I've centered my life around. Let's see how you react when someone starts off with false information about your career.

oh boy...here we go:roll:


dude, if I wanted to saw ythe truth I would, but I don;t want to ruin the thread.

I don;t want to ruin the thread by sayign that showtime at the apollo is heavily dependant on the crowds mood, and on corwd mentality.

I don't want to ruin the thread by saying that although the kids are beign creative, their beats are quite simpel and have not yet reached a peak.Hopefully one day they will.

I do not want to ruin the thread by acknowledgin that classical music is quite mathematical in that it requires a decent background to not simply comprehend, but correctly adjudicate.

I do not want to ruin the thread by bashing some people for their opinions because I realize that we spealize in different thigns, and focusing on peoples flaws jsut leads to bitterness and loneliness.



basically, the kids are doing a good thing by branching out into other genres and I applaud them, but realistically, it's not genius but simply intelligence. Frankly genius is is overrated sicne it is jsut shocking while intelligence in play is more enjoyable on a consistent basis.



basically, chill out dude.....I've played by ear and by sheet msuic, and I sure as hell know I can play what they played. I also know that I CANNOT play what kim played.

That said, it doesn;t matter.

Tehy did it. they took the initiative. they are introducing people dayd after day to the viola and the violin, and I can;t see how this is that bad of a thing.


chill do, and obey your thirst...

 

[kogase]

By they way, as far as the violinist just playing "somebody else's music"... I remember an anecdote about Chopin and Liszt being posted here not too long ago. It went something like:

Chopin (a gifted composer but mediocre performer) and Liszt (the greatest piano virtuoso in the world but a second-rate composer) were good friends, and one day Liszt came to visit Chopin and found a recently composed piece sitting on the piano. With Chopin standing beside him Liszt sat down and proceeded to play. After he had finished both men had tears streaming down their cheeks, Liszt because he could never compose a piece quite so beautiful and Chopin because he could never play his own music as miraculously as Liszt just had.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: kogase
I agree about the violinist in a sense. She's quite skilled technically, but doesn't leave a lasting impression on me. Of course, she's young and has time to develop into much more unique musician. The creative divide between 1955 and 1981 for Glenn Gould comes to mind.

A creative divide? Is that a nice way of saying he chose to be a recluse?

I'm referring to the two Goldberg recordings.

 

[Otaking]

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is amazing!!!

She is a better Violinist than the guys I posted but I like hip hop so if I'd have to listen to one I'd pick Black Violin. Although the classical is rather relaxing.

Edit: Also thats a mirrored image on that website. They cant just play the violin on the otherside because it would be backwards or upside down. its not any of those in that image.

 

[madeupfacts]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

That's because you don't have an eye for talent. Someone else's music? Are you JOKING me? Every song ever written since the first song was written has been a near copy of each other, if you look at the musical fundamentals of it all.

Music is a language; Like all languages, not all can understand it.

Like I posted in my edit, she's VERY, VERY GOOD, great maybe, but there's something missing for me.

We can disagree.

something missing as in she's not black?

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

That's because you don't have an eye for talent. Someone else's music? Are you JOKING me? Every song ever written since the first song was written has been a near copy of each other, if you look at the musical fundamentals of it all.

Music is a language; Like all languages, not all can understand it.

Like I posted in my edit, she's VERY, VERY GOOD, great maybe, but there's something missing for me.

We can disagree.

something missing as in she's not black?

I am sure that wasn't a factor in his opinion. Why bring that up?

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

That's pretty insulting to those of us who are making a career out of classical music. You obviously know next to nothing about classical performance or classical musicians, or you'd see all the flaws in your statements. I'm not going to get too far up on a soap box, but I'll just say: if "anyone" could do it with enough training, why aren't all hard-working violinists as good as her? Why aren't you?

<--Piano Performance major at Indiana University

lets lay off of that......and not ruin yet another thread.


the guy spoke his mind, let him be.

...and I'm speaking mine? Sorry, I don't like spouting of bullshit, especially about something I've centered my life around. Let's see how you react when someone starts off with false information about your career.

oh boy...here we go:roll:


dude, if I wanted to saw ythe truth I would, but I don;t want to ruin the thread.

I don;t want to ruin the thread by sayign that showtime at the apollo is heavily dependant on the crowds mood, and on corwd mentality.

I don't want to ruin the thread by saying that although the kids are beign creative, their beats are quite simpel and have not yet reached a peak.Hopefully one day they will.

I do not want to ruin the thread by acknowledgin that classical music is quite mathematical in that it requires a decent background to not simply comprehend, but correctly adjudicate.

I do not want to ruin the thread by bashing some people for their opinions because I realize that we spealize in different thigns, and focusing on peoples flaws jsut leads to bitterness and loneliness.



basically, the kids are doing a good thing by branching out into other genres and I applaud them, but realistically, it's not genius but simply intelligence. Frankly genius is is overrated sicne it is jsut shocking while intelligence in play is more enjoyable on a consistent basis.



basically, chill out dude.....I've played by ear and by sheet msuic, and I sure as hell know I can play what they played. I also know that I CANNOT play what kim played.

That said, it doesn;t matter.

Tehy did it. they took the initiative. they are introducing people dayd after day to the viola and the violin, and I can;t see how this is that bad of a thing.


chill do, and obey your thirst...

Um...yeah. I wasn't ripping on the guys in the vid. In fact, I agree with you. I think it's cool stuff, and good for them for doing it. I was ripping on the guy who said ****** about classical music. Remember?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

That's because you don't have an eye for talent. Someone else's music? Are you JOKING me? Every song ever written since the first song was written has been a near copy of each other, if you look at the musical fundamentals of it all.

Music is a language; Like all languages, not all can understand it.

Like I posted in my edit, she's VERY, VERY GOOD, great maybe, but there's something missing for me.

We can disagree.

something missing as in she's not black?

I am sure that wasn't a factor in his opinion. Why bring that up?

He might be kidding. Or not.

 

[madeupfacts]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

That's because you don't have an eye for talent. Someone else's music? Are you JOKING me? Every song ever written since the first song was written has been a near copy of each other, if you look at the musical fundamentals of it all.

Music is a language; Like all languages, not all can understand it.

Like I posted in my edit, she's VERY, VERY GOOD, great maybe, but there's something missing for me.

We can disagree.

something missing as in she's not black?

I am sure that wasn't a factor in his opinion. Why bring that up?

this
"
I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

EDIT: Everyone thinks she's a great musician, and she is, but as someone who's been playing violin for the last 9 years (though not nearly as well as her), she didn't have passion, IMO.

but there's something missing for me. "

Then tell me, how exactly does one play violin without looking like a robot? How exactly does one show passion when playing the violin?

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

I have played violin all my life, and after seeing that I am speechless.



<---his jaw is on the floor.

i also play the violin and i have to say...very nice.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: Horus

:Q

I'm a classically trained Pianist, and trumpet player. I can normally find something wrong in the playing style of EVERY musician, professional or amateur.

After watching several of those videos, I can't find a single damn thing. That was PERFECTION. She's absolutely stunning, a virtuoso if I've ever seen or hear one.

EDIT: SHE'S FVCKING 14?!?!?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!? GAHHHH, I've been a musician all my life and I've never been anywhere CLOSE to that skill level! GODDAMNIT! ARRRGH!

/me goes to kill self with piano wire.

Interesting. I'd like to hear some of your music.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

That's because you don't have an eye for talent. Someone else's music? Are you JOKING me? Every song ever written since the first song was written has been a near copy of each other, if you look at the musical fundamentals of it all.

Music is a language; Like all languages, not all can understand it.

Like I posted in my edit, she's VERY, VERY GOOD, great maybe, but there's something missing for me.

We can disagree.

something missing as in she's not black?

I am sure that wasn't a factor in his opinion. Why bring that up?

this
"
I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

EDIT: Everyone thinks she's a great musician, and she is, but as someone who's been playing violin for the last 9 years (though not nearly as well as her), she didn't have passion, IMO.

but there's something missing for me. "

Then tell me, how exactly does one play violin without looking like a robot? How exactly does one show passion when playing the violin?

that is a question that many can answer and many can disagree upon as well.

the fact is, she played the piece, as I said, she "pulled it off" and that is an INCREDIBLE achievement at any age.....and she was appearantly 14....


the way I see it, is that a robot is a set of rigid bodies working in synch to reproduce humanity. in terms of a human being, achiving a state of the perfect imitator is truly an achievement, as it gives the audience the gift of being able to hear what saint-saens had in his noggin.

in that she was the great performer, and Saint-Sains was the true talent.

 

[madeupfacts]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: madeupfacts

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Descartes
Interesting? Yes. Amazing? No. It's not a demonstration of violin virtuosity if that's what you're thinking. They're even holding the violin on the wrong side in the header photo.

This girl knows how to play the violin.

She may have more talent, but the I'd rather listen to Black Violin 8 days of the week. She's practiced hard and is a very good musician, but I didn't see any of her in that performance. Anyone can learn to play someone else's music just like they did, but if you heard that without the video, would you know who it was? With enough training, anyone can do what that girl just did.

I'm not saying Black Violin is original, or even masters of their craft, but they're 1) different, and 2) show passion.

That girl looked like a well trained robot, IMO.

That's because you don't have an eye for talent. Someone else's music? Are you JOKING me? Every song ever written since the first song was written has been a near copy of each other, if you look at the musical fundamentals of it all.

Music is a language; Like all languages, not all can understand it.

Like I posted in my edit, she's VERY, VERY GOOD, great maybe, but there's something missing for me.

We can disagree.

something missing as in she's not black?

I am sure that wasn't a factor in his opinion. Why bring that up?

He might be kidding. Or not.

No I'm not kidding. I'll say it right now, I'm asian. I'm not easily offended. I don't care if people refer to me as oriental, and I even take asian jokes from friends at work. If he flat out said "I prefer black violin over traditional" That would be fine. Personal taste, nothing wrong with that. I'll respect people's taste. If he said he likes black violin more because it's more original, I'll respect that too. But there seems to be something extra yet undefined here, which is why I'm curious. And I'm only saying I'm curious which is why I asked, and yes I'm being blunt about it. He's saying she lacks something. She lacks passion. She's robotic. There is just something missing about her.

Then tell me, how exactly does one show passion? How does one act less robotic? What is missing here? Was she not jumping around and waving her hands like she just don't care? Is she lacking soul? Is she not cool enough because she wears a traditional dress? I'm just dying to know here. How does one who practice an art none stop hours upon hours a day be lacking of a thing call passion?

 

[timosyy]

Girl ... jaw ... floor ... help ...

Edit: <-- Cellist & Pianist.