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black people should "get over slavery"

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I don't mean this in a racist way, but when I worked in a restaurant as a server....they were the WORST tippers. Usually less than 10%. This is in a nice restaurant from well-dressed professionals. If you ask me, they don't understand what their ancestors went through and they certainly don't care about the common man.

Of course, white doctors are also the same. They tip very poorly and don't care about common folk. Both are greedy people.
 
I don't know about you guys, but neither I nor my ancestors were slave owners, yet I have still had members of the black community yell at me and call me a racist slave driver because I was walking through campus at the wrong time (during a "peace" march during black history month). It was more than just a few people that were yelling it too. Do I think black people should move past slavery? YES! But, we should never forget where we came from and what happened in our nations past. That is the only way that we will ever learn.

 
The cold hard fact is our society is still shaped by slavery to quite a large degree, probably because hardly any progress was made for one hundred years after the Civil War.

Nobody should "get over it", ever. The contribution of slaves is one of a handful of factors that are the foundation of this country. That is never going to go away.

 
Originally posted by: Tobolo
I don't know about you guys, but neither I nor my ancestors were slave owners, yet I have still had members of the black community yell at me and call me a racist slave driver because I was walking through campus at the wrong time (during a "peace" march during black history month). It was more than just a few people that were yelling it too. Do I think black people should move past slavery? YES! But, we should never forget where we came from and what happened in our nations past. That is the only way that we will ever learn.
True. A good book to pick up is called "The Atlantic Slave Trade" by Northrop. It depicts what the slaves went through and the actual drivers for the mass kidnappings in Africa. To think about what the surviving slaves endured and overcame is amazing. Worse than that is what the blacks went through until the last couple of decades when they finally started being treated as equals. Though, there is still a lot of racial tension and recism in America. I don't think it will ever go away simply because it's been around so long. There is a subliminal genetic code that makes people want to be surounded by others like themselves. This is why schools of fish are usually comprised of one species. They are attracted to their own colors, yet they've never even seen themselves before. They just know where they came from.

 
Originally posted by: Tom
The cold hard fact is our society is still shaped by slavery to quite a large degree, probably because hardly any progress was made for one hundred years after the Civil War.

Nobody should "get over it", ever. The contribution of slaves is one of a handful of factors that are the foundation of this country. That is never going to go away.

And "apologies" issued by people in government that were not alive when slavery was practiced change this how?
 
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: illusion88
The hell if I am going to appoligize for anything my great grandparents did. I am glad I will never have to give money to some poor black person who can't work a full week without quiting his job just because their great grandparents were dumb enough to get cought in Africa!

Dumb enough to get caught in Africa? Do you think it would be hard to catch you? Are you a ninja perchance?

Who did the catching? If I remember correctly, it was mainly the Spanish, Portuguese, and the British.

 
Originally posted by: AStar617
I'll just say this:

If the white people who take issue with these sorts of bills were smart, they'd just give the damn apology so that our leaders no longer have that as a bargaining chip. We would have to STFU about apologies every time a new Congress came into session, and you would likewise have to STFU about *alleged* reasons that all of this is an issue for you.

If my brother badly hurt another person, it's not so god-awful to consider apologizing on their behalf to the victim. The disconnect is not that you had nothing to do with slavery--it's that deep down, some of you honestly don't believe that slavery's lasting legacy on blacks from Reconstruction forward set us back as far as it did. But even if that's the case, throw us a fvcking bone so that the more vocal idiots can shut the fvck up when confronted about other unrelated issues and real progress can be made together as Americans.

I am black, and this thread is officially going nowhere.

US slave owners were less than 10% of the population. More than 50% of the current US population's forefathers immigrated to the US after slavery ended.

So you expect people to make an apology for something they had no idea that it even existed.

 
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Tom
The cold hard fact is our society is still shaped by slavery to quite a large degree, probably because hardly any progress was made for one hundred years after the Civil War.

Nobody should "get over it", ever. The contribution of slaves is one of a handful of factors that are the foundation of this country. That is never going to go away.

And "apologies" issued by people in government that were not alive when slavery was practiced change this how?


The "not alive" part isn't a valid consideration, we all live in a world that was shaped by history, in our country there are tremendous benefits that come to us, but whether we admit or not, there were prices paid to get us where we are.

The present government of Virginia didn't start from scratch when they were elected, government and society are ongoing processes. If Virginia should have apologized and hasn't, then it's an obligation waiting to be fulfilled. Whether they should or not, the passage of time isn't relevant.

 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: AStar617
I'll just say this:

If the white people who take issue with these sorts of bills were smart, they'd just give the damn apology so that our leaders no longer have that as a bargaining chip. We would have to STFU about apologies every time a new Congress came into session, and you would likewise have to STFU about *alleged* reasons that all of this is an issue for you.

If my brother badly hurt another person, it's not so god-awful to consider apologizing on their behalf to the victim. The disconnect is not that you had nothing to do with slavery--it's that deep down, some of you honestly don't believe that slavery's lasting legacy on blacks from Reconstruction forward set us back as far as it did. But even if that's the case, throw us a fvcking bone so that the more vocal idiots can shut the fvck up when confronted about other unrelated issues and real progress can be made together as Americans.

I am black, and this thread is officially going nowhere.

Actually, an officially apology would lead to a slew of lawsuits for reparations. This "official apology" is the first step in claiming reparations.

well we did promise them 40 aces and a Mule...

40 acres and a mule is the colloquial term for compensation that was to be awarded to freed American slaves after the Civil War? 40 acres (16 ha) of land to farm, and a mule with which to drag a plow so the land could be cultivated.

The award?a land grant of a quarter of a quarter section (a common homestead size of the time) deeded to heads of households presumably formerly owned by land-holding whites?was the product of Special Field Orders, No. 15, issued January 16, 1865 by Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman, which applied to black families who lived near the coasts of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. Sherman's orders specifically allocated "the islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida." There was no mention of mules in Sherman's order, although the Army may have distributed them anyway.

After the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, his successor, Andrew Johnson, revoked Sherman's Orders. It is sometimes mistakenly claimed that Johnson also vetoed the enactment of the policy as a federal statute (introduced as U.S. Senate Bill 60). In fact, the Freedmen's Bureau Bill which he vetoed made no mention of grants of land or mules. (Another version of the Freedmen's bill, also without the land grants, was later passed after Johnson's second veto was overridden.)

By June of 1865, around 40,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (1,600 km²) in Georgia and South Carolina. Soon after, President Johnson reversed the order and returned the land to its original owners. Because of this, the phrase has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction and the general public to assist African Americans in the path from slavery to freedom


 
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: AStar617
I'll just say this:

If the white people who take issue with these sorts of bills were smart, they'd just give the damn apology so that our leaders no longer have that as a bargaining chip. We would have to STFU about apologies every time a new Congress came into session, and you would likewise have to STFU about *alleged* reasons that all of this is an issue for you.

If my brother badly hurt another person, it's not so god-awful to consider apologizing on their behalf to the victim. The disconnect is not that you had nothing to do with slavery--it's that deep down, some of you honestly don't believe that slavery's lasting legacy on blacks from Reconstruction forward set us back as far as it did. But even if that's the case, throw us a fvcking bone so that the more vocal idiots can shut the fvck up when confronted about other unrelated issues and real progress can be made together as Americans.

I am black, and this thread is officially going nowhere.

US slave owners were less than 10% of the population. More than 50% of the current US population's forefathers immigrated to the US after slavery ended.

So you expect people to make an apology for something they had no idea that it even existed.

Why did they come to America ? Because of what all the people who came before them have created. It doesn't matter when somebody comes here, they aren't coming to an uninhabited land with no history. Every event that shaped America before they got here forms the basis from where they begin, some things that are good, some our bad, but they all are relevant to everyone's life here.

 
Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Tom
The cold hard fact is our society is still shaped by slavery to quite a large degree, probably because hardly any progress was made for one hundred years after the Civil War.

Nobody should "get over it", ever. The contribution of slaves is one of a handful of factors that are the foundation of this country. That is never going to go away.

And "apologies" issued by people in government that were not alive when slavery was practiced change this how?


The "not alive" part isn't a valid consideration, we all live in a world that was shaped by history, in our country there are tremendous benefits that come to us, but whether we admit or not, there were prices paid to get us where we are.

The present government of Virginia didn't start from scratch when they were elected, government and society are ongoing processes. If Virginia should have apologized and hasn't, then it's an obligation waiting to be fulfilled. Whether they should or not, the passage of time isn't relevant.

You are absolutely correct. I just had the Italian half of me apologize to the English half of me for that whole Roman slavery thing and I now feel like a terrible weight was lifted from one of my shoulders and the other shoulder feels so very empowered.

On a serious note Virginia paid for the Civil War with the loss of about 1/3 of its territory and the nation as a whole paid with the deaths of 670,000 people. The best thing that can be done in 2007 is to move forward with what unites us rather than continually dwelling on wrongs that were officially outlawed by the 13th ammendment to the US Constitution in 1865.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall

What? What is wrong with airplanes? You hate getting somewhere quickly?

God damn it?!?

Can't you see where this is going? Jet planes are the ones who are destroying the ozone layer very very much. That's why it is 23'Celsius instead of -30'C here in Macedonia. I believe it's the same in US.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes. 🙁

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

I'm sorry that RICH white people over 140 years ago had slaves. I'm also sorry that Africans actively traded in slaves BEFORE rich white guys went there and purchased them from other blacks. I'm sorry that even though in the year 2007 where you have the same learning experience as white kids and yellow kids that you can't learn and turn to the "thug lyfe"

Also somewhere up there it was mentioned that nothing good came out of slavery or the holocaust, don't forget, if it wasn't for the holocaust, the Jews wouldn't have been given land in Palistinian territory to set up the current version of Israel.
 
Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: Tylanner
what does "get over" mean?

as far as reparations, I agree that needs to end someday.

get over means:

stop asking for reperations
stop wasting government time making stupid legislation like the one discussed in the article... voting on whether or not the government of virginia should apologize to black people on behalf of white people. that's bullshit.

several other points, but that's a start...

Agree 100%
 
Originally posted by: huberm
I think it is really hard for a caucasian person to see this, but sadly many people in our country still judge people based on the color of their skin.

People are judged more on what they wear, how clean they are, and how they present themselves (physically and vocally) than they are for what color they are. At least that's the way it is here in Iowa/Illinois.
 
Originally posted by: LukeMan
Originally posted by: huberm
I think it is really hard for a caucasian person to see this, but sadly many people in our country still judge people based on the color of their skin.

People are judged more on what they wear, how clean they are, and how they present themselves (physically and vocally) than they are for what color they are. At least that's the way it is here in Iowa/Illinois.

I would agree with this statement. I really don't care what color your skin, sexuality or anything else. If you are a decent human being who is respectful, has a good additute you are alright in my book.

 
Keep in mind that America was built by exploitation of many races. America is the modern day Babylon and will meet a similar fate.
 
Originally posted by: Zizzo
Keep in mind that America was built by exploitation of many races. America is the modern day Babylon and will meet a similar fate.

What civilization wasn't built by the exploitation of others?
 
people will always judge other people on their skin color no matter what you do,it's the same as judging someone that smells bad or talks bad or is an anoying ahole-it is nature
 
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