black people should "get over slavery"

[91TTZ]

I'm all for personal responsibility and the person's capability. If you take Bill Gates and some random white trash/ghetto person, and give them equal amounts of money, Bill Gates will eventually have more of it. Even if you gave the poor person millions of dollars and Bill Gates had nothing, he'd still end up with more money. That's because he has financial know-how, while the other person doesn't.

Surely, the poor person would complain about he was just put in a bad situation, blah blah blah. But the underlying cause for their failure isn't what they started with, but rather what they did with it.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mugs

1. Education. Black people generally live in cities, where the quality of education is worse.
2. Socialization. Networking helps you get good jobs. White people have a lot of white friends. Black people have a lot of black friends. Which group do you think gets more help from their friends in finding jobs?
3. Racism. You can't deny it, it still exists. There are a lot of people in positions to hire that have racist attitudes toward blacks. Conscious of sub-conscious. It happens. (edit: case in point - people like you who think they're lazy)

This kind of reasoning is a liberal "feel good", "politically correct" kind of reasoning crafted not to hurt anyone's feelings.

Let's keep it real- those same hurdles applied to many other groups of people that came to this country, not just blacks.

Take a look at Asians when they come to this country:

1. They look different so there's the instant branding of being a foreigner. They managed to deflect criticism and eventually became accepted, instead of landing in jail.
2. They often came here with no money, so they couldn't afford much education. But they worked hard and saved their money instead of acting "ghetto rich".
3. They had the same problem with socialization, they were a distinctly different group without any help from other groups
4. Racism- they look different and are often teased.

But they seem to have followed a vastly different path. Why? Because they're smarter to begin with. A skilled poker player will be able to beat a scrub poker player even if they get the same hand. Asians played their cards better, and made more intelligent decisions.

Not all Asians have integrated so well as the media portrays. It's true there are alot of successful Asians but many of these Asians that immigrated here, that have created this reputation, came from countries of relative wealth and substantial education (me and my friends' families as examples). There are, however, many Asian immigrants who don't make it well here, who don't integrate well. Examples are many immigrants from Southeast Asia regions, the Hmong people who were moved here due to US foreign policy influence, etc. The media does what it does best and that's spin.

BTW, 91TTZ, your Native American comment is a bit brutal.

Southeast Asia =/= Asia

That's like comparing Spaniards to Guatemalans.

 

[RollWave]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: illusion88
Just like the jews should "get over the holocaust"

Yep. No sense in living in the past. The past is only good for learning from it, not asking for handouts.

Agreed. I'm Indian and I have no problems with the British. No point in holding grudges and being pissy. I dont hold my people's history against anyone!

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I'm all for personal responsibility and the person's capability. If you take Bill Gates and some random white trash/ghetto person, and give them equal amounts of money, Bill Gates will eventually have more of it. Even if you gave the poor person millions of dollars and Bill Gates had nothing, he'd still end up with more money. That's because he has financial know-how, while the other person doesn't.

Surely, the poor person would complain about he was just put in a bad situation, blah blah blah. But the underlying cause for their failure isn't what they started with, but rather what they did with it.

You would have to give that person the same mind as Gates for it to be a fair comparison. Hell, they even made a comedy about this subject with Akroyd and Murphy. No one will really know what the consequences of the switch is because life has so much to do with timing and being at the right place at the right time.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes. 🙁

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

1. Racism and policies existed because PEOPLE WON'T FREAKING GET OVER IT. If they had, then none of that would exist anymore. It's people who keep bringing it up and demanding money because their great-great-great grandfather was a slave. Boohoo.
2. They have been apologized to many times. Enough is enough. Besides, who is going to apologize to who? Someone who never owned a slave is going to apologize to someone who never was a slave? That is dumb.
3. The deck is not stacked against you if you are black. The problem is that many blacks choose to just wallow in self pity over the fact that they are black and look for handouts rather than getting an education and making something of themselves. There are plenty of successful black people to prove this right.

You don't think the deck is stacked against minorities? Are you a minority yourself?

The deck is stacked against dumb people, short people, fat people, ugly peopleetc. It doesn't mean they should get preferential treatment. In fact any motivated short pudgy fugly idiot can make it big in this country.

Trust this man! He knows from experience!

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mugs

1. Education. Black people generally live in cities, where the quality of education is worse.
2. Socialization. Networking helps you get good jobs. White people have a lot of white friends. Black people have a lot of black friends. Which group do you think gets more help from their friends in finding jobs?
3. Racism. You can't deny it, it still exists. There are a lot of people in positions to hire that have racist attitudes toward blacks. Conscious of sub-conscious. It happens. (edit: case in point - people like you who think they're lazy)

This kind of reasoning is a liberal "feel good", "politically correct" kind of reasoning crafted not to hurt anyone's feelings.

Let's keep it real- those same hurdles applied to many other groups of people that came to this country, not just blacks.

Take a look at Asians when they come to this country:

1. They look different so there's the instant branding of being a foreigner. They managed to deflect criticism and eventually became accepted, instead of landing in jail.
2. They often came here with no money, so they couldn't afford much education. But they worked hard and saved their money instead of acting "ghetto rich".
3. They had the same problem with socialization, they were a distinctly different group without any help from other groups
4. Racism- they look different and are often teased.

But they seem to have followed a vastly different path. Why? Because they're smarter to begin with. A skilled poker player will be able to beat a scrub poker player even if they get the same hand. Asians played their cards better, and made more intelligent decisions.

Not all Asians have integrated so well as the media portrays. It's true there are alot of successful Asians but many of these Asians that immigrated here, that have created this reputation, came from countries of relative wealth and substantial education (me and my friends' families as examples). There are, however, many Asian immigrants who don't make it well here, who don't integrate well. Examples are many immigrants from Southeast Asia regions, the Hmong people who were moved here due to US foreign policy influence, etc. The media does what it does best and that's spin.

BTW, 91TTZ, your Native American comment is a bit brutal.

Southeast Asia =/= Asia

That's like comparing Spaniards to Guatemalans.

Then what do you consider Asians? Southeast Asia very much equals Asia.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: rnp614

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: illusion88
Just like the jews should "get over the holocaust"

Yep. No sense in living in the past. The past is only good for learning from it, not asking for handouts.

Agreed. I'm Indian and I have no problems with the British. No point in holding grudges and being pissy. I dont hold my people's history against anyone!

in fact you should thank the British for bringing in all the foreign investment, english, and modern civilization to India.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes. 🙁

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

wtf dude ... not one person that is alive this day should apologize for slavery. not one person that is alive today ever had a slave in the 1800's ...

not to mention not one person alive today was ever a slave, or was alive when anyone in their family was a slave.

wtf would i apologize to someone for slavery when i had not a damn thing to do with it?

 

[MechxWarrior]

Learn from the past. Dont live in it. And dont expect the past to give you free stuff now.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes. 🙁

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

wtf dude ... not one person that is alive this day should apologize for slavery. not one person that is alive today ever had a slave in the 1800's ...

not to mention not one person alive today was ever a slave, or was alive when anyone in their family was a slave.

wtf would i apologize to someone for slavery when i had not a damn thing to do with it?

Is it not the State of Virginia that's apologizing? They're not asking for you to personally apologize to African Americans, just the State, which was around during slavery.

 

[RollWave]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: rnp614

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: illusion88
Just like the jews should "get over the holocaust"

Yep. No sense in living in the past. The past is only good for learning from it, not asking for handouts.

Agreed. I'm Indian and I have no problems with the British. No point in holding grudges and being pissy. I dont hold my people's history against anyone!

in fact you should thank the British for bringing in all the foreign investment, english, and modern civilization to India.

They did accelerate the process...if only they didnt enslave/murder/harrass them! It would've been a great partnership had they tried to be equals rather than rulers!

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: illusion88
The hell if I am going to appoligize for anything my great grandparents did. I am glad I will never have to give money to some poor black person who can't work a full week without quiting his job just because their great grandparents were dumb enough to get cought in Africa!

Dumb enough to get caught in Africa? Do you think it would be hard to catch you? Are you a ninja perchance?

How the hell is that even relevant? Those of us in America and other industrilized, first world, nations don't have to worry about beign "caught for slavery". We are above that, better than.

 

[IntrinsicValue]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I'm all for personal responsibility and the person's capability. If you take Bill Gates and some random white trash/ghetto person, and give them equal amounts of money, Bill Gates will eventually have more of it. Even if you gave the poor person millions of dollars and Bill Gates had nothing, he'd still end up with more money. That's because he has financial know-how, while the other person doesn't.

Surely, the poor person would complain about he was just put in a bad situation, blah blah blah. But the underlying cause for their failure isn't what they started with, but rather what they did with it.

I agree with this. Let's start taking responsibility for our own actions, stop enabling this "victim" mentality, and stop giving handouts to those who are doing nothing to improve their own situation.

Additionally, we need to stop trying to treat everyone "equally", because quite frankly we are not equal. We are all different, with our own set of unique strengths, weaknesses, and characteristics. Sometimes those characteristics work to our advantage, and sometimes they do not. If the world were fair, I'd be filthy rich, and Britney Spears would be pan-handling in the street begging for someone to listen to her sing.

But the world isn't fair. Rather than holding your hand out waiting for someone to reward you for being the "victim" of such a cruel world, reach down and find some motivation to take action *yourself* to improve your life and the lives of those you care about.

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: illusion88
The hell if I am going to appoligize for anything my great grandparents did. I am glad I will never have to give money to some poor black person who can't work a full week without quiting his job just because their great grandparents were dumb enough to get cought in Africa!

LOL. :laugh:

yes yes laugh because I made a spelling mistake :roll:

Muhahahahaha :laugh:

:lips: love you for it to baby :lips:
EDIT: I was hoping you would point out this spelling (grammar really) mistake in some humiliating fashion.
Either you are too slow or I am impatient

 

[chrisms]

"Get over" can be interpreted many different ways and I think that is the source of this disagreement. Should black people get over it in terms of not allowing it to affect current issues, emotions, and relationships? Yes. Should they get over it in terms of removing it from history books, literature, or other forms of remembrance? No. While civil rights issues can be debated, they should not be in the context of slavery as the problems we deal with today stem more from our instinct to stereotype people and generalize more than they are from a deliberate oppression of a single race.

But yes, some black people need to "get over it." Particularly those interested in seeking a handout for slavery. Those people only enforce a stereotype that many people have in this country.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: bondboy
Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place and it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done. Now, if you know what you're worth, then go out and get what you're worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hit, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you are because of him, or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain't you. You're better than that!

LMAO @ Rocky Balboa!

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes. 🙁

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

wtf dude ... not one person that is alive this day should apologize for slavery. not one person that is alive today ever had a slave in the 1800's ...

not to mention not one person alive today was ever a slave, or was alive when anyone in their family was a slave.

wtf would i apologize to someone for slavery when i had not a damn thing to do with it?

Is it not the State of Virginia that's apologizing? They're not asking for you to personally apologize to African Americans, just the State, which was around during slavery.

And we'll see how much this helps blacks "get over" or "move on" from slavery.

 

[AStar617]

I'll just say this:

If the white people who take issue with these sorts of bills were smart, they'd just give the damn apology so that our leaders no longer have that as a bargaining chip. We would have to STFU about apologies every time a new Congress came into session, and you would likewise have to STFU about *alleged* reasons that all of this is an issue for you.

If my brother badly hurt another person, it's not so god-awful to consider apologizing on their behalf to the victim. The disconnect is not that you had nothing to do with slavery--it's that deep down, some of you honestly don't believe that slavery's lasting legacy on blacks from Reconstruction forward set us back as far as it did. But even if that's the case, throw us a fvcking bone so that the more vocal idiots can shut the fvck up when confronted about other unrelated issues and real progress can be made together as Americans.

I am black, and this thread is officially going nowhere.

 

[Reckoner]

I wonder how many pages this thread is going to reach, anyone taking bets?

I'll say 18.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
I wonder how many pages this thread is going to reach, anyone taking bets?

I'll say 18.

How many posts per page?

 

[fallenangel99]

Yeah, I hate when the whole notion of slavery reparation comes into play. People apologized for it back then and moved on. You don't see Snoop Dogg apologizing for degrading women do you (though I enjoy some of his songs!).

You know if there were reparations handed out, bunch of dumbasses would try to make $$$ off it (look at what happened to $2000 debit card handout during Katrina)

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes. 🙁

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

wtf dude ... not one person that is alive this day should apologize for slavery. not one person that is alive today ever had a slave in the 1800's ...

not to mention not one person alive today was ever a slave, or was alive when anyone in their family was a slave.

wtf would i apologize to someone for slavery when i had not a damn thing to do with it?

Is it not the State of Virginia that's apologizing? They're not asking for you to personally apologize to African Americans, just the State, which was around during slavery.

And we'll see how much this helps blacks "get over" or "move on" from slavery.

Meh, we all know it's political rally-tactics, but nevertheless, I think it's silly for people to say that they should just get over it.

 

[AStar617]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: illusion88
The hell if I am going to appoligize for anything my great grandparents did. I am glad I will never have to give money to some poor black person who can't work a full week without quiting his job just because their great grandparents were dumb enough to get cought in Africa!

Dumb enough to get caught in Africa? Do you think it would be hard to catch you? Are you a ninja perchance?

How the hell is that even relevant? Those of us in America and other industrilized, first world, nations don't have to worry about beign "caught for slavery". We are above that, better than.

You ask how it's relevant, but you were the one that introduced the idea to the argument.

And we're supposed to be the dumb ones. :roll:

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: illusion88
The hell if I am going to appoligize for anything my great grandparents did. I am glad I will never have to give money to some poor black person who can't work a full week without quiting his job just because their great grandparents were dumb enough to get cought in Africa!

Dumb enough to get caught in Africa? Do you think it would be hard to catch you? Are you a ninja perchance?

How the hell is that even relevant? Those of us in America and other industrilized, first world, nations don't have to worry about beign "caught for slavery". We are above that, better than.

That's just silly. You think forced slavery doesn't exist anywhere in the US? Not to mention the fact that you brought up how people are dumb for being caught. That's like me saying that someone is dumb for being murdered. Guess they should've been smart enough to live in a bubble.

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: AStar617

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: illusion88
The hell if I am going to appoligize for anything my great grandparents did. I am glad I will never have to give money to some poor black person who can't work a full week without quiting his job just because their great grandparents were dumb enough to get cought in Africa!

Dumb enough to get caught in Africa? Do you think it would be hard to catch you? Are you a ninja perchance?

How the hell is that even relevant? Those of us in America and other industrilized, first world, nations don't have to worry about beign "caught for slavery". We are above that, better than.

You ask how it's relevant, but you were the one that introduced the idea to the argument.

And we're supposed to be the dumb ones. :roll:

/sigh
Weither or not someone can grab me in a jungle in africa has no relevance. If I lived in a jungle would I be expected to be able to escape potential predators? Hell yes I would!