Black people are ungrateful SOBs ***PLEASE READ MOD NOTE INSIDE***

Dari

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I was watching Bill Maher and they did a piece on Pat Buchanan's response to Barack Obama's speech. No doubt, millions of Americans feel the same way (perhaps that's why nobody is covering it) but the sheer ignorance of Buchanan's speech surprised me. This guy, like Rev Wright, are out of touch with reality.

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

PJB: A Brief for Whitey
posted by Linda
By Patrick J. Buchanan

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about ?the U.S. of K.K.K. America,? and howled, ?God damn America!?

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright?s statements were ?controversial,? and ?divisive,? and ?racially charged,? reflecting a ?distorted view of America.?

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The ?white community,? said Barack, must start ?acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination ? and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past ? are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ? .?

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

The ?white community? must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with ?ladders of opportunity? that were ?unavailable? to Barack?s and the Rev. Wright?s generations.

What is wrong with Barack?s prognosis and Barack?s cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, ?everybody but the rioters themselves.?

Was ?white racism? really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said ? that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ?60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks ? with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas ? to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new ?ladders of opportunity? for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ?deserving? white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America?s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.


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First and foremost, this thread is likely to be highly offensive to our African American members, and I want them to personally accept my apology that they are subjected to having to read this. If it were any more blatant, I would immediately have locked it.

In the spirit of open dialogue and the expression of ideas, I am leaving this open *for now*. We will be having a discussion among moderators about this thread. At the very least, this goes right up to the line of what is acceptable comments at Anandtech. It is only because this thread has remained a political discussion that I haven't taken sharp action.

For my own sake, let me say that I am utterly disgusted by the thread title, and it is painful to read, and even more painful to be reminded that people think this way.

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Thread locked because it became derailed into a discussion about the moderating.

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Farang

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While it may be over-the-top, it is a dialogue, and Buchanan is getting the gist of white grievances. I think he unfairly characterizes Obama as playing only the victim, when in fact Obama has acknowledged black responsibility. This is a big problem with his argument because he uses this distorted picture to link Obama with Otto Kerner and the black victim movement in general.
 

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Isn't this the same thing that Cosby has been saying for years? At some point in time the black community needs to stand up and stop feeling victimized or sorry for itself..........
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

I don't care what color of skin, nobody should be force fed fish from the state when they can be taught to fish for themselves instead. That's how I view welfare and foodstamps and all the other social programs out there that make normal people wards of the state. They have a definate place for people down on their luck. I think black people have falling into this more so than white people for various reasons. Our politicians keep wanting to provide more and more aid to people who are fully capable of providing for themselves and their family if they would only be allowed to, or made to.

Look at it this way, you can have some kid and ask him what he wants to eat. After so much fast food and other junk food it's going to have a detrimental effect on him and all along you've been giving him what he wanted. He didn't know what was good for him. That's how i see the democrat party with all their social programs. They want to keep giving everyone everything they want at a whim, for votes it seems, while ignoring that it may be bad for them in the long term.
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

How about the many other items listed in the article, many of which ARE predominantly tailored towards blacks? Or, are you just going to ignore those?

The bottom line is this: People, black or otherwise, need to stop blaming others for their problems.
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

This is true. I believe programs like food stamps, welfare, and government housing have held back the black community. Generation after generation just have kept living on the government handout instead of making their own way and realizing their own potential.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

How about the many other items listed in the article, many of which ARE predominantly tailored towards blacks? Or, are you just going to ignore those?

The bottom line is this: People, black or otherwise, need to stop blaming others for their problems.

You are right. Many people in the black community feel the same way. Obama even said so. However, for Buchanan to turn it around and say that this is something that blacks should feel good about is disingenious. First, it's not a black thing, it's a poverty thing. Second, it's like your drug dealer saying you should be grateful at the services he's providing you. Third, AAs should feel grateful for living in one of the greatest nations on earth, but buchanan listed stupid and ignorant reasons. He's part of the problem.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

This is true. I believe programs like food stamps, welfare, and government housing have held back the black community. Generation after generation just have kept living on the government handout instead of making their own way and realizing their own potential.

Yep. It's like a drug.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

This is true. I believe programs like food stamps, welfare, and government housing have held back the black community. Generation after generation just have kept living on the government handout instead of making their own way and realizing their own potential.

Yep. It's like a drug.



Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

This is true. I believe programs like food stamps, welfare, and government housing have held back the black community. Generation after generation just have kept living on the government handout instead of making their own way and realizing their own potential.

Yep. It's like a drug.



Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

The black community, of course. But, again, you missed the point. Buchanan points out some highly ignorant "gifts" that America gave AAs. These are nothing to be proud of. Of course, what he didn't want to say was that AAs had to fight and die for what they have today. They still have a long way to go but the hard-earned rewards weren't given by white america, but taken by force.

Remember the civil war? Yeah, it wasn't fought to free slaves but to keep the union together. Even Lincoln suggested to Frederick Douglas that blacks should return to Africa. But Douglas correctly told him that AAs had as much right to this nation as anybody. After the Civil War, AAs had to deal with another 100 years of illegal discrimination, lynching, etc...The Civil Rights movement was extremely violent. Yes, the rights of AAs came via bloodshed and sadness.

To think that everything was fine just because of the Civil Rights Act is very untrue. White America may feel that way, but the remnants of racism still exist today. It can even be seen in how the war on drugs is fought when possession of coke has a lighter sentence than crack.

I'm not trying to make excuses for AAs, but, as Obama, said, the pain is real and not just a figment of their imagination.
 

dahunan

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Deep down.. Buchannon thinks AA's should feel good that Slavery gave them a chance to come to America

 
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I think stuff like this just goes to show how throwing money at the problem won't make it go away, likely just makes it worse as then people grow up thinking they deserve stuff like that.

The issue, as we've seen over and over and over again, is that parenting has a larger effect than any of the other myriad of things a government may try to do.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Deep down.. Buchannon thinks AA's should feel good that Slavery gave them a chance to come to America

That was part of his point and he made it very explicit. But many Americans feel as he does so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. The irony is that as America, a democratic nation, went around the world freeing nations in the early part of the 20th century and extolling the virtues of democracy, it did horrible things to some of its own people. Hypocrisy at the highest level.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Reading that is like toned down Grand Wizard Speech

The scary part is many Americans probably agree with him. That's why black America and white America are so far apart. That is why Americans were "shocked" to hear a black man talk in such ungrateful terms but remain silent when their own say stuff like Buchanan says.
 

dahunan

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Approx 50 years ago they were supposed to be given equal schools.. Can you believe it.. REALLY.. JUST 53 years ago

Thanks for the help

BTW.. He needs a better spell checker or a more intelligent secretary "auto dealerships and liquor stories" .. How do you rob a story?

Did White Christians bang little boys or was it only White Catholics?
Did the Royal British family bring some diseases into existence by their desire to fornicate with their relatives?


 

EXman

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Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is ?ignorant? about it? Specifics please.

Well, if you have to ask...food stamps, welfare, and ghettos are not exactly things that blacks should feel appreciated from (white) America. It isn't even a black thing. It's a poverty thing.

If I have to explain further, then you're probably in the same boat as him.

This is true. I believe programs like food stamps, welfare, and government housing have held back the black community. Generation after generation just have kept living on the government handout instead of making their own way and realizing their own potential. But those same entitlements keep 'em voting for Dems 9 to 1

fixed
 

dahunan

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The problem in America today isn't Racism.. IT IS HER FAKE COWARDLY CHRISTIANS

don't follow a politician.. don't follow a crowd or your pastor or your neighbor or britney.. find your heart and the guy you call Jesus..

How many slaves would Jesus have whipped and beaten and hanged and raped?

 

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Every time I hear Barack talk I feel like his ultimate goal is to make all AAs self-sufficient.
 
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Originally posted by: dahunan
The problem in America today isn't Racism.. IT IS HER FAKE COWARDLY CHRISTIANS

don't follow a politician.. don't follow a crowd or your pastor or your neighbor or britney.. find your heart and the guy you call Jesus..

How many slaves would Jesus have whipped and beaten and hanged and raped?

How many ex-slaves who weren't working and were just sitting around all day eating fried chicken and drinking beer would he have given money to, considering it "helping the poor"?

There are other verses such as "if any among you will not work, then they should not eat".

IE, help poor people that are poor in spite of having a job and taking care of their money (they're just not making enough). Evaluate their character and cosign their loan to go to college.

What I'm not so sure about is that I know, given the same parenting and conditions these people are growing up in, I would be in the same position as them, doing the same things. So is it fair for me to say they should be pulling themselves up with their bootstraps? No. But, it doesn't make what they're doing right.

Where government falls into this equation I do not know. I wonder if it even should. Past a little bit of affirmative action to forcefully change people's minds about racism (which should quickly be repealed after the issues are no longer appearing, which they aren't), I think no government involvement is needed, just like in pretty much any situations. Just let the consequences of life take their toll.

The counter to this is the idea that were these people to stop receiving welfare, they would become circumstantial criminals and we'd all have a jump in violence and theft related crimes. But I think that isn't fair to them. Realistic? Who knows.

In Atlanta, where 70% of the workforce is black, the idea of repealing affirmative action was brought up. The outcry that issued forth was deafening.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: dahunan
The problem in America today isn't Racism.. IT IS HER FAKE COWARDLY CHRISTIANS

don't follow a politician.. don't follow a crowd or your pastor or your neighbor or britney.. find your heart and the guy you call Jesus..

How many slaves would Jesus have whipped and beaten and hanged and raped?

How many ex-slaves who weren't working and were just sitting around all day eating fried chicken and drinking beer would he have given money to, considering it "helping the poor"?

There are other verses such as "if any among you will not work, then they should not eat".

IE, help poor people that are poor in spite of having a job and taking care of their money (they're just not making enough). Evaluate their character and cosign their loan to go to college.

Quoted so you can show your daddy how you are on his side...

Did you know that Sharks still swim the slave trade looking for a meal of sick and dead african americans who use to be thrown overboard from the ships?

 

EXman

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Originally posted by: dahunan
The problem in America today isn't Racism.. IT IS HER FAKE COWARDLY CHRISTIANS

don't follow a politician.. don't follow a crowd or your pastor or your neighbor or britney.. find your heart and the guy you call Jesus..

How many slaves would Jesus have whipped and beaten and hanged and raped?

Actually Jesus taught kindness to slaves/servants specifically as throgh Paul on his letter to Timothy parapharzing:

So what does Paul say to Timothy about slaves?
He can?t afford to condemn slavery in that society;
however obnoxious it is for one person to own another.
Timothy was not to be a Spartacus;
leading an army of slaves to their ultimate destruction.
But what Paul does teach is truly revolutionary, nonetheless;
and in the end, far more likely to bring about a change in society than was the armed
insurrection of Spartacus.
What is this revolutionary teaching of Paul?
that slaves should treat their masters with full respect;
that slaves should serve their masters well;
and if their masters are believers, then serve them even better.
What an effect this teaching will have, over time.
What an effect if people truly work for the best for those they serve.
The master-slave relationship was controlled by legal force; by threat; by fear.
How powerful, if that is replaced with respect and love.
How revolutionary.

Dood... you are not on my Christmas card list anymore never the less.