Black on Black Violence. Cain vs. the Democrats

[ProfJohn]

Care to comment on the rest of my post?

Like where is the violence? Another PJ troll? "not intended to be a factual statement"?

You wonder why you get labeled a troll when you outright lie?

The rest of your post is a bunch of BS.

Cain's muslim comments were stupid.

The thread title is a parody and anyone with half a brain should notice that.

BTW Willie Horton was brought up by Al Gore first...

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

The rest of your post is a bunch of BS.

Cain's muslim comments were stupid.

The thread title is a parody and anyone with half a brain should notice that.

BTW Willie Horton was brought up by Al Gore first...

Trolling right along, you admit the thread title is misleading. You don't post parody, you post things trying to get people to believe it. Change it. But I am sure you won't, you never post anything truthful anyway. Once again, you are flat out busted posting an outright lie for a thread title. That took, what, one day before you started lying again? Troll.

It is interesting that your first couple posts are trying to say a black man should be executed despite questionable evidence, and now claiming black on black violence. I think that is very telling, you have issues.

 

[ProfJohn]

It is interesting that your first couple posts are trying to say a black man should be executed despite questionable evidence, and now claiming black on black violence. I think that is very telling, you have issues.

Amazing how a story about Cain and the cop killer showed up in the media on the same day...

I am sure there is a conspiracy to make black people look bad or something...

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Amazing how a story about Cain and the cop killer showed up in the media on the same day...

I am sure there is a conspiracy to make black people look bad or something...

Did I say that? You finally get unbanned, and two of your first couple of threads are about these subjects. Hmm....

Still going to keep the title even after you admit it isn't true? Trolltastic. But truth never was your strong suit. But lying sure is, funny how you admit you lie, and proclaim you aren't changing anything. Guess you really don't care about the truth at all.

But at least everyone can see your duplicity and lying.

 

[ProfJohn]

Yes I am leaving the title alone.

Is it any worse than Craig's post office title?
or
Reaction to Ron Paul shows some Americans are exceptionally stupid
or
Republicans cheer for uninsured to die
or
Sarah Palin likes chocolate
or
Conservatives, why do you vote against intelligence in party leaders?
or
Is the Republican party really this dumb?
or
Rick Perry and his "Army of God" should scare the daylights out of everyone here
or
Michelle Bachman signs pledge suggesting black families no worse during slavery


Stop trying to be the thread police. Unless you think censorship is a good thing.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes I am leaving the title alone.

Is it any worse than Craig's post office title?
or
Reaction to Ron Paul shows some Americans are exceptionally stupid
or
Republicans cheer for uninsured to die
or
Sarah Palin likes chocolate
or
Conservatives, why do you vote against intelligence in party leaders?
or
Is the Republican party really this dumb?
or
Rick Perry and his "Army of God" should scare the daylights out of everyone here
or
Michelle Bachman signs pledge suggesting black families no worse during slavery


Stop trying to be the thread police. Unless you think censorship is a good thing.

Oh wow, so your argument is that other people make horrible threads like yours. Maybe instead of trying to play the victim about your awful threads you should try to make threads that are less awful.

God, there is no one who plays a bigger victim on this entire forum than you.

 

[ProfJohn]

And you guys are a bunch of cry babies. You don't like it then don't post. Simple solution that will make both of us happy, thanks.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Do you have any evidence to back up your statement?

I provided you with evidence in the form of exit polls from the 2008 Democrat primaries.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/WVDemHorizontal.pdf

86% of Hillary voters said that race was THE single most important factor.
22% of overall Democrats said that race was 'important' in making their decision.

That is clear evidence of racism within the Democrat party. You have no real evidence of it in the Republican party other than claims and stories, but nothing factual.

Again, your opacity on this topic just reflects your own bias. It seems to this Democrat-leaning centrist that the worst bigotry from the left takes the form of diminished-expectations nannying. I don't see how this view (shared by most of my Republican friends) can be reconciled with hatred of people of color, as stupid as both views might be. Again, if you're claiming TX is less racist than NY or MN you're either stupid (which I don't think is the case) or hopelessly misguided.

 

[fskimospy]

And you guys are a bunch of cry babies. You don't like it then don't post. Simple solution that will make both of us happy, thanks.

Keep playing the victim. If you don't like the bad reactions your terrible posts generate, then don't post.

It's not our fault that you're this consistently awful, it's your fault.

 

[ProfJohn]

Again, your opacity on this topic just reflects your own bias. It seems to this Democrat-leaning centrist that the worst bigotry from the left takes the form of diminished-expectations nannying. I don't see how this view (shared by most of my Republican friends) can be reconciled with hatred of people of color, as stupid as both views might be. Again, if you're claiming TX is less racist than NY or MN you're either stupid (which I don't think is the case) or hopelessly misguided.

My point is that there is solid evidence of racism within the Democratic Party as shown in the primaries.

Your evidence for racism in TX is what? That you "know" there is racism?

There may be more racism within the GOP, but there is no way to measure said racism.

 

[Craig234]

Again, your opacity on this topic just reflects your own bias. It seems to this Democrat-leaning centrist that the worst bigotry from the left takes the form of diminished-expectations nannying. I don't see how this view (shared by most of my Republican friends) can be reconciled with hatred of people of color, as stupid as both views might be. Again, if you're claiming TX is less racist than NY or MN you're either stupid (which I don't think is the case) or hopelessly misguided.

I have PJ on ignore, but saw your quote. I hesitate to respond to anything from him, but no one else pointed out he's wrong, so:

"I provided you with evidence in the form of exit polls from the 2008 Democrat primaries.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Polling...Horizontal.pdf

86% of Hillary voters said that race was THE single most important factor."

What his poll ACTUALLY shows is that 8% of West Virginia Democrats polled said 'Race was the most important factor'.

Of that 8%, 86% were Hillary supporters.

So, this does suggest that around 7% of the group polled in West Virginia opposed Obama primarily because of his race.

7% of WV Democrats is a FAR CRY from PJ's claimed 86% of Hillary voters.

This doesn't begin to get the difference between caring about race, and racism.

If a Democrat voted for Obama because he felt a black man would have special insights into parts of America never having a representative in the Presidency, if a black Democrat voted for Obama proud for a black to reach that level for the first time, if another Democrat considered Obama's race as having a positive effect on world opinion of the US or in helping to fight prejudice, these people care about race, but those views are not 'racist', which is a belief in a race being 'inferior', giving support to unfair treatment, discrimination against, that race - which can be reflected in Republican 'who cares about those people' angry-at-blacks policies.

 

[ProfJohn]

I have PJ on ignore, but saw your quote. I hesitate to respond to anything from him, but no one else pointed out he's wrong, so:

"I provided you with evidence in the form of exit polls from the 2008 Democrat primaries.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Polling...Horizontal.pdf

86% of Hillary voters said that race was THE single most important factor."

What his poll ACTUALLY shows is that 8% of West Virginia Democrats polled said 'Race was the most important factor'.

Of that 8%, 86% were Hillary supporters.

So, this does suggest that around 7% of the group polled in West Virginia opposed Obama primarily because of his race.

7% of WV Democrats is a FAR CRY from PJ's claimed 86% of Hillary voters.

This doesn't begin to get the difference between caring about race, and racism.

If a Democrat voted for Obama because he felt a black man would have special insights into parts of America never having a representative in the Presidency, if a black Democrat voted for Obama proud for a black to reach that level for the first time, if another Democrat considered Obama's race as having a positive effect on world opinion of the US or in helping to fight prejudice, these people care about race, but those views are not 'racist', which is a belief in a race being 'inferior', giving support to unfair treatment, discrimination against, that race - which can be reflected in Republican 'who cares about those people' angry-at-blacks policies.

I have to admit that I think Craig is right and I misread the poll.

8% of Democrats said that race was the most important factor, and 86% of those picked Hillary.

22% of Democrats claimed that race was a factor, 82% of them voted for Hillary.


Either way the fact has not changed that according to exit polling data West Virginia was the most racist state in the country (or at least had the most racist Democrats)

And the state of West Va is completely dominated by Democrats.

 

[FerrelGeek]

And for what it's worth, my objection to Herman Cain is that he has very little qualification to be President of the United States. Maybe he could try dipping his toe into the political waters at a more appropriate level?

Neither did Obama, in terms of real life, practical experience that is.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

And you guys are a bunch of cry babies. You don't like it then don't post. Simple solution that will make both of us happy, thanks.

Wait, you outright lie, admit you lie, and then call us crybabies for complaining?

I think you win the "Hypocrite of the year" award.

Disgusting.

 

[peonyu]

To summarize this thread:

To combat Obama and his "all blacks vote for me card since im black", the Republicans are going to use Cain to try and fight that card...Since well, Cain is black to. And to be fair, he is blacker than Obama to since he is not a half White-Devil like Obama is.


So that is the state of US politics folks. Ho-hum ho-hum. If the other party chooses a person to run just cause he might get some more votes then get him on the ticket. It doesn't matter if he would make a terrible President, all that matters is he wins! Oh and a female candidate might get more votes to...[Hence why Palin was Mccain's VP last time, though it wasn't enough to over power the Obama card].


The US Political scene is a sorry mess to be sure.

 

[PokerGuy]

Maybe he could try dipping his toe into the political waters at a more appropriate level?

Yeah, like maybe community organizer 😉

 

[Doppel]

Another lnk on drudge tonight Cain saying it is your fault if u are out of work and not rich. Guy seems like a Corp type character who has no chance in this horrendous economy. Is also why Romney has a real battle against him.

 

[ProfJohn]

Another lnk on drudge tonight Cain saying it is your fault if u are out of work and not rich. Guy seems like a Corp type character who has no chance in this horrendous economy. Is also why Romney has a real battle against him.

Actually I think his point is that if you are not rich it is your fault due to the choices you made.

Cain's parents had nothing and Cain went from nothing to CEO of a major company.
If he can do it then why can't the people in the street do it?

That is his point.

 

[Doppel]

Actually I think his point is that if you are not rich it is your fault due to the choices you made.

Cain's parents had nothing and Cain went from nothing to CEO of a major company.
If he can do it then why can't the people in the street do it?

That is his point.

I know his point, but he's wrong. It's like saying if you're not an astronaut it's your fault. Some people just never can be astronauts no matter what. A single anecdote is hardly a foundation for a philosophy on which to classify an entire population of non-rich.

In any case it's something that won't go down well with the voting, non-rich public, who are increasingly aware of the gaping chasm between themselves and people like Cain. And being told that they're more or less lazy and it's their fault is not a message easily digested.

 

[Jhhnn]

I know his point, but he's wrong. It's like saying if you're not an astronaut it's your fault. Some people just never can be astronauts no matter what. A single anecdote is hardly a foundation for a philosophy on which to classify an entire population of non-rich.

In any case it's something that won't go down well with the voting, non-rich public, who are increasingly aware of the gaping chasm between themselves and people like Cain. And being told that they're more or less lazy and it's their fault is not a message easily digested.

Beyond not being easily digested, it's not true, either.

In many respects, the economy is like a giant corporation, with just so many job slots at different levels. It's not like there's a lot of room at the top, or that getting there is strictly a matter of intelligence & hard work. Far from it. Well, except that once you're rich, you can't be fired from that position, can't lose it unless you're incredibly stupid...

Here's hoping Cain spends a lot of his own money in his quest for the presidency, because he apparently deserves to lose it out of sheer arrogance.

 

[ProfJohn]

I started at an entry level management job, worked hard and learned from the people around me and nearly tripled my salary in 6 years. No one GAVE me my promotions. No one ever said "your a nice guy let's give you a break' I worked hard for everything I got.

Working hard is the key. Study after study shows that people who are poor are poor because they work less than middle and upper class people.

Too many people think they should be able to show up and work an 8 hour day and make it rich. Look at the living wage movement and the idiocy around it. In their view a guy working at 7-11 should make $20 an hour just because it's "fair"

Well life isn't far. In life you get back what you put in and if you work your ass off and better yourself and work two jobs and go to school at the same time you might make something of yourself.

But if you are happy running a register at 7-11 and then sit around on your ass the rest of the time and never better yourself then you deserve what you get.

Cain is a millionaire because he was smart and because he produced results where no one else could. No one waved a magic wand and made him CEO of Godfather Pizza, he had to work his way to the top.

We live in a country where nearly anyone can succeed if they want and are willing to work hard.
And that is Cain's point.
If you aren't rich or aren't happy with where you are in life then start finding ways to improve yourself and finding ways to make more money. The opportunities are there for those who are willing to work for it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Beyond not being easily digested, it's not true, either.

In many respects, the economy is like a giant corporation, with just so many job slots at different levels. It's not like there's a lot of room at the top, or that getting there is strictly a matter of intelligence & hard work. Far from it. Well, except that once you're rich, you can't be fired from that position, can't lose it unless you're incredibly stupid...

Here's hoping Cain spends a lot of his own money in his quest for the presidency, because he apparently deserves to lose it out of sheer arrogance.

So tell me... how did Cain become CEO of Godfather's Pizza?

How did he go from working in the navy to running 400 Burger King stores to running Godfather's Pizza?

Was it just luck? Did someone hire him because he was black? Or was it because he was good at what he did?

 

[Jhhnn]

Study after study shows that people who are poor are poor because they work less than middle and upper class people.

Mere assertion.

 

[Zebo]

I dont see the problem with his Muslim statements anymore than saying no nazis in his admin. Both are retrograde belief systems that have no place in USA. Anyway I like him. Speaks from heart vs candiates who tel you what you want to hear and are bought and sold before thay are elected.

 

[ProfJohn]

Mere assertion.

Nope, factual based on multiple studies.

Some by the labor department if IIRC.

It is actually simple. People on salary make more money and work more hours than people who work hourly. That is half of it right there.