Black on Black Violence. Cain vs. the Democrats

[Matt1970]

This current rightwing infatuation with Cain just screams "I have a black friend so I can't be racist."

Maybe if you keep saying it enough, magicly it will come true.

 

[quest55720]

And for what it's worth, my objection to Herman Cain is that he has very little qualification to be President of the United States. Maybe he could try dipping his toe into the political waters at a more appropriate level?

I would consider that his biggest plus. Career politicians got the country into this mess. We need someone with real world experience and common sense to fix it. To bad Cain went off the deep end on tax cuts on the wealthy and Islam phobia.

 

[theeedude]

Sounds like Cain is your guy, Republicans, go and nominate him

 

[Throckmorton]

I'd say they are even or lean towards the Democrats being racist.

You are forgetting places like West Virginia or Arkansas that are highly racist and highly democrat.

The 2008 Democrat primary produces polling data that showed how racist certain parts of the country are due to exit polling and the most racists parts of the country were also the most Democratic. (white racism) They asked primary voters was race a concern and the places where race was the biggest factor Hillary won big time.

The polling proved that white Democrats in West Va and Arkansas were highly prejudicial against blacks. And those two states are dominated by Democrats politically and have been for a century.

Let's also not forget that racism tends to be more prevalent among the lower income and lower educated and that group is also a strong Democratic group. Those dumb redneck hicks with their rebel flags tend to be Democrats.

Are you complaining about conservative Dixiecrats?

 

[Craig234]

I would consider that his biggest plus. Career politicians got the country into this mess. We need someone with real world experience and common sense to fix it. To bad Cain went off the deep end on tax cuts on the wealthy and Islam phobia.

He also has neither any experience at good government nor common sense.

He's the problem, not the solution. It's ok to have good government experience.

What has American in trouble isn't about the government, really, it's the huge influence of the wealthy private sector controlling the government rather than the people.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I'd say they are even or lean towards the Democrats being racist.

You are forgetting places like West Virginia or Arkansas that are highly racist and highly democrat.

The 2008 Democrat primary produces polling data that showed how racist certain parts of the country are due to exit polling and the most racists parts of the country were also the most Democratic. (white racism) They asked primary voters was race a concern and the places where race was the biggest factor Hillary won big time.

The polling proved that white Democrats in West Va and Arkansas were highly prejudicial against blacks. And those two states are dominated by Democrats politically and have been for a century.

Let's also not forget that racism tends to be more prevalent among the lower income and lower educated and that group is also a strong Democratic group. Those dumb redneck hicks with their rebel flags tend to be Democrats.

This is a spectacularly glib and irrational analysis. You're essentially focusing on two states and ignoring the fact that the traditionally blue states are more urban and suffer from much less endemic racism than the traditionally red states. Moreover, the two states you've identified are modernly red states. West Virginia has supported Republican presidential candidates in the last four election cycles, and five of the last ten. Arkansas, other than voting for AR native Bill Clinton both times, hasn't supported a Democrat for President since 1976. What you're seeing over time is that the Dixiecrat states have turned red. If you seriously think a lot of Dixie flag wavers were voting for Gore, Kerry, or Obama, I respectfully think you're nuts.

 

[ProfJohn]

This is a spectacularly glib and irrational analysis. You're essentially focusing on two states and ignoring the fact that the traditionally blue states are more urban and suffer from much less endemic racism than the traditionally red states. Moreover, the two states you've identified are modernly red states. West Virginia has supported Republican presidential candidates in the last four election cycles, and five of the last ten. Arkansas, other than voting for AR native Bill Clinton both times, hasn't supported a Democrat for President since 1976. What you're seeing over time is that the Dixiecrat states have turned red. If you seriously think a lot of Dixie flag wavers were voting for Gore, Kerry, or Obama, I respectfully think you're nuts.

West Virginia: Two Democrat Senators, three Democrats in the house, Democrats control EVERY state wide elected office and 93 out of 134 legislature seats.

A piece in the Huffington Post said:
West Virginia: Country's Most Racist Voters
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/west-virginia-countrys-mo_b_101651.html

Fully 20% of the voters consisted of whites who reported that race was a factor, and they voted for Clinton 84-10 over Obama. That's a total racist vote of 17%, exceeding the racist vote in all of the previous primaries where exit polls were taken, and going far above the 13.7% in Arkansas, the most racist state before now in this election.

There is a map floating around of county and county results from the 2008 primary and the counties that Hillary won by huge majorities are Appalachian counties that are dominated by white Democrats.

Here: Red is Hillary Blue is Obama
Notice the red streak through the Appalachian areas of the country.

BTW there is also an excel chart that charts the racist vote in the Democrat primary via the "race was the biggest factor" question and again the areas where that question had the highest results were also the areas that were dominated by Democrats politically.

 

[ProfJohn]

Here's the deal:

There is clear evidence from the 2008 primary of racism within the Democrat party.

And the areas that show the most racism are also areas where the Democrats dominate politics on the state and local level.

This provides proof that there is racism within the Democratic party.


On the Republican side there is no similar proof. It is mostly just claims and anecdotal evidence such as David Duke.

There is certainly some racism within the GOP, but how much and whether there is more than the Democrat party is impossible to determine.

 

[Jhhnn]

And if you don't think he only did it to save his career, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

The people of W Virginia would have kept re-electing him either way. Byrd brought home the bacon, and it's not exactly a hotbed of Liberalism, either.

It's all a deliberate distraction form the topic at hand, anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

Here's the deal:

There is clear evidence from the 2008 primary of racism within the Democrat party.

And the areas that show the most racism are also areas where the Democrats dominate politics on the state and local level.

This provides proof that there is racism within the Democratic party.


On the Republican side there is no similar proof. It is mostly just claims and anecdotal evidence such as David Duke.

There is certainly some racism within the GOP, but how much and whether there is more than the Democrat party is impossible to determine.

That's beyond lame. A whole region of the country shifted from strongly democratic to strongly republican in the 15 years following the civil rights movement, and has remained reliably so ever since. LBJ said it himself, that Dems had lost the South for a generation, and he was right.

Reagan pitched to it with every dog whistle and code phrase in the repertoire in 1980, and his successors have done so ever since.

Racism among Democrats? Some, obviously, but it doesn't come with the blatant dishonesty of Repubs.

 

[ProfJohn]

That's beyond lame. A whole region of the country shifted from strongly democratic to strongly republican in the 15 years following the civil rights movement, and has remained reliably so ever since. LBJ said it himself, that Dems had lost the South for a generation, and he was right.

Reagan pitched to it with every dog whistle and code phrase in the repertoire in 1980, and his successors have done so ever since.

Racism among Democrats? Some, obviously, but it doesn't come with the blatant dishonesty of Repubs.

Wrong.

That region of the country was still voting Democrat at every level except President until the 1990s. That is a FACT.

Pre civil rights acts the south voted Democrat at every level.

Post civil rights act the south voted Democrat at every level, expect Presidential.

The Republicans didn't start to really make progress in the south until AFTER Reagan and into the 90s and beyond. It wasn't until 1994 that the GOP held a majority of southern house seats. And the demographics of the south changed greatly between 1960s and the 1990s with all the northerners moving into the south.

Here is visual evidence of what I speak:
89th congress 1965 just after the civil rights vote

93rd. Voted into office the year Nixon demolished McGovern. Notice that Democrats still dominate the south with only two confederate states having more than 50% Republicans in the house.

97th congress, voted into office in 1980 the year Reagan beat Carter. Democrats still dominate the south nearly 20 years after the Civil Rights Act was passed.

103rd. The congress voted into office with Clinton in 1992. Democrats still dominate the south.

104th. Voted into office in 1994. For the first time since the civil war the Republicans controlled the majority of house seats from the south. 30 years after the passage of the civil rights act.

 

[Rainsford]

I would consider that his biggest plus. Career politicians got the country into this mess. We need someone with real world experience and common sense to fix it. To bad Cain went off the deep end on tax cuts on the wealthy and Islam phobia.

He has real world experience running a pizza chain. I'm not sure I buy the idea that running the federal government takes no special skills or knowledge and that it's advantageous to have no idea what you're doing.

 

[Rainsford]

Here's the deal:

There is clear evidence from the 2008 primary of racism within the Democrat party.

And the areas that show the most racism are also areas where the Democrats dominate politics on the state and local level.

I don't see that data anywhere. Picking a few areas that you claim are racist that are also Democratic isn't QUITE the same thing.

This provides proof that there is racism within the Democratic party.


On the Republican side there is no similar proof. It is mostly just claims and anecdotal evidence such as David Duke.

There is certainly some racism within the GOP, but how much and whether there is more than the Democrat party is impossible to determine.

So what's your argument, exactly? I'm not quite sure I follow what you're trying to say here...

 

[ProfJohn]

I don't see that data anywhere. Picking a few areas that you claim are racist that are also Democratic isn't QUITE the same thing

2008 is a great case study because of the dynamic black vs white in a Democrat primary. So you are only talking about Democrats. And because the primary race went to the end you have lots and lots of data.

In every primary they asked people if race mattered. When you filter out largely black areas that were expected to vote for Obama and focus on white areas you can then get a good measure of racism within the primary.

In areas where race was not a major factor (as determined in exit polling) the vote split a certain way. But in areas where race was a major issue Hillary dominated by huge margins.

That would suggest that in at least those areas there is a lot of racism. And it just happens that the areas with the most racism within the Democrat party are also areas where the Democrat party dominates the political scene at all levels.

Read the link from Huffington post. It goes into details and explains it all.

This map also explains it.
Purple are the areas where Hillary got 65% of more of the vote in the primaries. West Va and KY went mostly purple.
Hillary dominated Appalachian. And Appalachian is also the part of the country where voters were most likely to admit to making a voting decision based on race. And those are areas of the country where Democrats completely dominate local politics (except Kentucky)

This doesn't prove that all Democrats are racist, but it shows that Democrats in certain parts of the country ARE racist.

On the Republican side we don't have any proof. Just claims and stories, but nothing factual such as exit poll and primary results.

 

[ProfJohn]

So what's your argument, exactly? I'm not quite sure I follow what you're trying to say here...

My argument was to counter Don Vito's claim about Republican racism.

My point is that racism does exist within the Democratic Party and that it might be as bad or worse than on the GOP side.

Here read what ABC news said about West Va.
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=4844868&page=1

Racially motivated voting ran somewhat higher than elsewhere: Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi. Just 31 percent of those voters said they'd support Obama against presumptive Republican nominee John McCain, fewer than in other primaries where the question's been asked.

Indeed, as noted, among all West Virginia primary voters, only 49 percent said they would support Obama vs. McCain, far fewer than elsewhere and one of many signs of antipathy toward Obama in the state.

Among Clinton's supporters, just 38 percent said they would vote for Obama against McCain; nearly as many said they would back McCain; and the rest said they would sit it out.

 

[HomerJS]

Here's the deal:

There is clear evidence from the 2008 primary of racism within the Democrat party.

And the areas that show the most racism are also areas where the Democrats dominate politics on the state and local level.

This provides proof that there is racism within the Democratic party.


On the Republican side there is no similar proof. It is mostly just claims and anecdotal evidence such as David Duke.

There is certainly some racism within the GOP, but how much and whether there is more than the Democrat party is impossible to determine.

During the 2008 campaign name one Democratic official or group who disparaged John McCain strictly on the basis of being white. Guess what there weren't any. Plenty of GOP officials and groups trashing Obama with racist emails, pictures, birther, Kenyan stuff.

 

[HomerJS]

Addressing the Cain mutiny...

The one thing we know about a large part of the GOP base (the most vocal), they are not too bright and want simplistic answers to support their biases. Brainwashing fits right in because that GOP base already thinks Blacks are not as intelligent as themselves. It make them giddy having another Black person saying this.

This is why people like Bachmann and Palin are a hit with the base. B&P excel in simplistic answers, many devoid of facts.

The real answer of mass Black disaffection in the GOP can be traced back to the early 60s
Dwight Eisenhower got almost 40% of the Back vote. If that happened today it would almost be as big a story as the election of Obama. Ironically many of the GOP in Congress helped push through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. However Barry Goldwater nationally ran against it and for "states rights". This was code for the Federal Govt will not force states to give blacks equal rights. The Southern Strategy took into the fold all the racist Dixiecrats so they could capture all the southern states. The GOP percent of the black vote cratered and has remaind.
This is probably too complicated for that base to grasp.

While not overt, the GOP continues to send signals of hostility towards blacks. Ronald Reagan's first speech after his GOP nomination given in Philadelphia, Mississippi. (look it up)

Fast forward to today. Cain claims brainwashing and then a story comes out of the Perry family hunting at a leased property called "ni**erhead". Can you imagine the GOP outcry if Obama played golf at the Trebinka Country Club?!

 

[Jhhnn]

This doesn't prove that all Democrats are racist, but it shows that Democrats in certain parts of the country ARE racist.

On the Republican side we don't have any proof. Just claims and stories, but nothing factual such as exit poll and primary results.

Heh. Mostly it proves that racism is alive & well in what are Republican strongholds, for the most part.

The rest? Well, Repubs have never had a serious black contender for the presidency, and likely never will in our lifetimes. Cain is no exception, despite his much ballyhooed bump in a Florida opinion survey. Which allows you to obfuscate the question because it's never been asked.

Maybe there's a reason for that.

 

[ProfJohn]

Heh. Mostly it proves that racism is alive & well in what are Republican strongholds, for the most part.

Which Republican strongholds are you talking about?

Places like West Virginia where every elected State official is a Democrat?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Which Republican strongholds are you talking about?

Places like West Virginia where every elected State official is a Democrat?

You can't seriously be this obstinate, can you? Think, well, pretty much every red state. I find it comical you've bothered to assemble all those infographics to bolster a silly and facially untenable argument. Are you saying, say, NY, Minnesota, Massachusetts, or Vermont are more racist than Oklahoma, Texas, or any number of other red states?

Originally Posted by Jhhnn
That's beyond lame. A whole region of the country shifted from strongly democratic to strongly republican in the 15 years following the civil rights movement, and has remained reliably so ever since. LBJ said it himself, that Dems had lost the South for a generation, and he was right.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

 

[ProfJohn]

You can't seriously be this obstinate, can you? Think, well, pretty much every red state. I find it comical you've bothered to assemble all those infographics to bolster a silly and facially untenable argument. Are you saying, say, NY, Minnesota, Massachusetts, or Vermont are more racist than Oklahoma, Texas, or any number of other red states?

Do you have any evidence to back up your statement?

I provided you with evidence in the form of exit polls from the 2008 Democrat primaries.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/WVDemHorizontal.pdf

86% of Hillary voters said that race was THE single most important factor.
22% of overall Democrats said that race was 'important' in making their decision.

Misread the poll, my bad.
Here is the actual proper reading of the poll:
8% of Democrats said that race was the most important factor, and 86% of those picked Hillary.

22% of Democrats claimed that race was a factor, 82% of them voted for Hillary.

That is clear evidence of racism within the Democrat party. You have no real evidence of it in the Republican party other than claims and stories, but nothing factual.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Seems the Democrats are really upset with Herman Cain since he is ruining their whole 'blacks must vote Democrat' mind set.

Now that Cain is doing very well in the Republican primaries certain Democrats are going nuts and claiming that people are only supporting Cain because they are racist. (If anyone understands that charge please explain it)

And here we have a Democrat Strategist (a black on at that) attacking Cain's recent blacks are "brainwashed" statement.

CORNELL BELCHER, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: What Herman Cain said was a racist, bigoted statement and it should treated like a racist and bigoted person who makes those racist and bigoted statements.

I get the feeling that if Cain continues to do good it will only get worse.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ed_remark_was_a_racist_bigoted_statement.html

Yet another nPJ troll thread.

Totally misleading thread title, par for the course for a astroturfing troll like nPJ.

Violence? Where?

I guess nPJ supports Cain and his bigoted anti-muslim policies.

 

[ProfJohn]

Yet another nPJ troll thread.

You don't like my threads then stop posting in them. Simple.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

You don't like my threads then stop posting in them. Simple.

Care to comment on the rest of my post?

Like where is the violence? Another PJ troll? "not intended to be a factual statement"?

You wonder why you get labeled a troll when you outright lie?

 

[Jhhnn]

Care to comment on the rest of my post?

Like where is the violence? Another PJ troll? "not intended to be a factual statement"?

You wonder why you get labeled a troll when you outright lie?

Next up, he'll claim that the Willie Horton smear wasn't racist.